Chip
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Post by Chip on Sept 16, 2014 11:08:03 GMT -5
Good. There's so many midcard performers Bray could have a great feud with given his character, that would benefit both in terms of character development and definition.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 16, 2014 11:37:30 GMT -5
You're killing my optimism Mercury wanted to retire. Serena screwed herself. Punk went on to have the Summer of Punk. Only Gallows failed out of that group
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Post by The Possum on Sept 16, 2014 11:57:04 GMT -5
Honestly, I think they'll be fine. There was a period last year when The Shield was irrelevent. They didn't even make it onto the SummerSlam card and then they were Triple H's lackeys for a couple of months.
The issue is that there is no upward mobility for Bray other than getting the title. After a WrestleMania program with Cena, the only higher ground is the championship. But it's not Bray's time. The title is tied up with Brock.
It still doesn't excuse the bad booking of putting him in the MITB match and then having a forgettable program with Jericho which should have been something great, but it also doesn't mean all hope is lost. If it were me, I'd turn him face. The fans don't wanna boo the guy.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Sept 16, 2014 12:12:31 GMT -5
You're killing my optimism Mercury wanted to retire. Serena screwed herself. Punk went on to have the Summer of Punk. Only Gallows failed out of that group No one who works with The Great Power Uti can be considered a failure.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 16, 2014 13:10:37 GMT -5
they wanted Cena to have a reason to face Rock, it wasn't about the title. "Give me a rematch." "No." "Come on, you want it just as much as me. You only won that because I got cocky, you want to prove you can really beat me as much as I want to prove I can beat you." "Fair enough." There, match booked. That could've worked, but WWE backed themselves into a corner by billing the first match as "Once in a Lifetime". They unfortunately needed the title so they could work around that and make it look like Rock and Cena's paths crossed by chance.
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Post by Woo on Sept 16, 2014 13:16:22 GMT -5
You're killing my optimism Mercury wanted to retire. Serena screwed herself. Punk went on to have the Summer of Punk. Only Gallows failed out of that group Serena screwed herself by what breaking character and having a drink? The Wyatts are dead. What makes no sense is that Bray had to be saved from a 1, 2, 3 after a Final Cut... Not even the chokeslam.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 16, 2014 13:23:20 GMT -5
I'd really like to go visit the alternate universe where the Wyatt/Bryan feud wasn't cut because people couldn't handle Bryan not yelling "Yes!" for a little while. Bryan had no business being in that angle in the first place. He was the hottest face in the company, and WWE tried to cut him off at the knees by having him become a lackey in a heel stable. It was the most obvious case of intentional sabotage I'd seen in a while, and fortunately the fans rebelled.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 13:25:28 GMT -5
Good. There's so many midcard performers Bray could have a great feud with given his character, that would benefit both in terms of character development and definition. Yes. Like Fandango, Adam Rose, and the Big Show. That'll sure get all of his heat back. The Wyatts are dead and gone. Forever. They've lost all their heat and it's pretty obvious no one wants them to get it back. They're probably not going to be in the WWE by the end of the next year.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 16, 2014 13:34:36 GMT -5
They could have done Cena vs Rock for the WHC instead, and not killed Ryback's credibility or Punk's momentum. And it would have been better than the Swagger vs Del Rio feud. unfortunately they'd announced that Rock would be challenging for the WWE title at the Royal Rumble several months previously. I've felt with the HiaC stipulation they could have had a lower carder take on Punk in Cena place. Give Kofi a shot. Looking at the feuds at the time Orton was a face and trying for the World title. He could have been given a shot at the WWE title as compensation Kofi was Intercontinental Champion. Miz cashed in his rematch for the IC Belt and they hadn't started his face turn yet. I think Christian might've been injured. Sheamus was tied up with the WHC. In terms of lower carders, the ones who actually get regular TV time are all "comedy characters", and the more serious ones who may or may not actually have the skill set to put on a decent and believable match with Punk are/were barely used at all because they get written off as being "bland" or "boring". If Orton had gone after the WWE Title, then there'd be no one for Del Rio to wrestle against. And WWE doesn't know how to book a PPV without cramming every uppercard guy on it (who isn't injured) on it somehow. They sadly were kinda stuck with Ryback at HiaC.
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Chip
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Post by Chip on Sept 16, 2014 13:39:26 GMT -5
Good. There's so many midcard performers Bray could have a great feud with given his character, that would benefit both in terms of character development and definition. Yes. Like Fandango, Adam Rose, and the Big Show. That'll sure get all of his heat back. The Wyatts are dead and gone. Forever. They've lost all their heat and it's pretty obvious no one wants them to get it back. They're probably not going to be in the WWE by the end of the next year. Tell me how you really feel. Besides, you can't tell me that watching Harper and Rowan just murder the Exotic Express and force the sheep mask onto the rabbit whilst Bray holds back a beaten down Rose, laughing like he does wouldn't be f***ing awesome.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 16, 2014 13:40:54 GMT -5
unfortunately they'd announced that Rock would be challenging for the WWE title at the Royal Rumble several months previously. I've felt with the HiaC stipulation they could have had a lower carder take on Punk in Cena place. Give Kofi a shot. Looking at the feuds at the time Orton was a face and trying for the World title. He could have been given a shot at the WWE title as compensation Kofi was Intercontinental Champion. Miz cashed in his rematch for the IC Belt and they hadn't started his face turn yet. I think Christian might've been injured. Sheamus was tied up with the WHC. In terms of lower carders, the ones who actually get regular TV time are all "comedy characters", and the more serious ones who may or may not actually have the skill set to put on a decent and believable match with Punk are/were barely used at all because they get written off as being "bland" or "boring". If Orton had gone after the WWE Title, then there'd be no one for Del Rio to wrestle against. And WWE doesn't know how to book a PPV without cramming every uppercard guy on it (who isn't injured) on it somehow. They sadly were kinda stuck with Ryback at HiaC. Ryback could have faced Del Rio. Or they could have made Orton vs Del Rio for the shot at Punk
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 13:52:48 GMT -5
Yes. Like Fandango, Adam Rose, and the Big Show. That'll sure get all of his heat back. The Wyatts are dead and gone. Forever. They've lost all their heat and it's pretty obvious no one wants them to get it back. They're probably not going to be in the WWE by the end of the next year. Tell me how you really feel. Besides, you can't tell me that watching Harper and Rowan just murder the Exotic Express and force the sheep mask onto the rabbit whilst Bray holds back a beaten down Rose, laughing like he does wouldn't be f***ing awesome. True. Given recent trends, instead it'd lead to an Animal Mask Match that ends in Bray jobbing clean to Adam Rose and having to wear a bunny mask from now on.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 16, 2014 13:54:27 GMT -5
Tell me how you really feel. Besides, you can't tell me that watching Harper and Rowan just murder the Exotic Express and force the sheep mask onto the rabbit whilst Bray holds back a beaten down Rose, laughing like he does wouldn't be f***ing awesome. True. Given recent trends, instead it'd lead to an Animal Mask Match that ends in Bray jobbing clean to Adam Rose and having to wear a bunny mask from now on. I want to see Bray steal the Rosebuds away from Rose.
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Chip
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Post by Chip on Sept 16, 2014 13:58:50 GMT -5
Tell me how you really feel. Besides, you can't tell me that watching Harper and Rowan just murder the Exotic Express and force the sheep mask onto the rabbit whilst Bray holds back a beaten down Rose, laughing like he does wouldn't be f***ing awesome. True. Given recent trends, instead it'd lead to an Animal Mask Match that ends in Bray jobbing clean to Adam Rose and having to wear a bunny mask from now on. ... Can he wear a Donnie Darko-esque bunny mask at least?
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Post by Hypnosis on Sept 16, 2014 14:16:29 GMT -5
True. Given recent trends, instead it'd lead to an Animal Mask Match that ends in Bray jobbing clean to Adam Rose and having to wear a bunny mask from now on. I want to see Bray steal the Rosebuds away from Rose. Well, that would be one way to get female Wyatts.
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Post by Freddy BooJangles on Sept 16, 2014 14:20:50 GMT -5
what about the New Generation? The New Generation was more exciting than now because Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and Diesel were fresh faces at the top of the card. I watched the first ever Raw a couple of nights ago and it was fresh and exciting. ECW and Nitro also began making waves during the same era, so for the wrestling fan things were happening. John Cena has been at the top for 9 years. Seriously, when will this stop? As long as Cena keeps making the money for WWE he'll continue to be the top star for WWE
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Post by comahan on Sept 16, 2014 14:26:14 GMT -5
I mean, yea they've been booked terribly and their momentum has been destroyed. But it's also pro wrestling, and 1-2 months of good storytelling or one amazing moment can catapult anyone back to the top in a flash. Look at Mark Henry's Hall of Pain run after more than a decade of being treated like a fool. Look at the Summer of Punk after he'd spent a few years lingering in the midcard and doing nothing after his run with Hardy. The initial run of the Wyatts at the top has been over for a few months, but all it takes is one epic promo from Bray (certainly capable) or the right person backstage getting behind them and they could be in a better spot than they've ever been before.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 14:31:24 GMT -5
I think anyone who has watched the show for at least the past 4-5 years definitely has to pretty much assume anyone getting close to that scene will have the rug pulled out from under them before anything of substance happens. Which sucks because WWE will create an atmosphere where you think, "OK maybe it'll be different this time, maybe this guy will actually break through..." only to have that whisked away for no real reason. Which creates a lot of resentment and anger. It feels like a betrayal on some levels (though its really not).
That creates a bit of dimishing returns on any new guy that pops up where you basically assume WWE will pull a WWE with them and it makes it more difficult to create a connection with them.
That coupled with the feeling that you're not connecting to the guys (really 1 guy) at the top creates intense product dissatisfaction.
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Post by gnr123 on Sept 16, 2014 14:39:44 GMT -5
Yeah, it's all over for him. He might as well pack his bags and go to TNA, at least they'll give him a chance.
Seriously, he lost one feud to John Cena, and everybody flips out. Where he is now is the same place he would be if he won the feud against Cena. He wasn't going to be a full-time main event talent as his age, not a chance. Sure, they didn't have to use him to make Cena look "bigger, faster, stronger," a few weeks ago, but he's still a young talent and will be a star. He's to good not to be a star. Not everybody has to be in the main event 24/7, and not everybody is going to beat John Cena.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Sept 16, 2014 15:18:25 GMT -5
Every one here should take a step back and watch Bray live on a morning show and all its awkwardness HERE
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