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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 20:39:05 GMT -5
All those guys are offering her dick she doesn't want. "Oh just saying 'hey beautiful' or 'have a great day' isn't harassment!" f*** that. Of course its harassment. Those guys don't give a shit about her day beyond whether or not her day ends with their penis in or near her. What's even more disturbing is she clearly had a "f*** off" face on her. Imagine if she smiled in the least. On the other hand, she probably will have the pick of the litter when it comes to relationships and people lining up to date her. There are many many pros to her being considered attractive that will make her life easier. She will also get unwanted attention sure, and some people I'd definitely agree would be in the wrong and are being rude. And of course there are also genuine scumbags out there who are worse than rude. But in general, I don't think compliments because you find somebody hot are automatically evil. You know what's really disturbing? Some people never get any attention from the opposite sex, and are alone forever! They never get the opportunity to complain about their spoil or riches. Of course there's good and bad, but they really downplay the good to complain about the bad. If you have countless suitors, my opinion is you have less to complain about that you think. Naturally some strongly disagree with me, but me I'm very much about equality, so I don't think we need to treat one gender as protected snowflakes when it comes to attention and compliments. I acknowledge that making people uncomfortable isn't cool, although those lines are different for everyone. We're already practically in a culture where no eye contact and no connecting in public is almsot the norm, everybody will just stare at their phones and ignore eachother because that's socially acceptable. I say somebody says "Hi beautiful" and keeps on walking, there is no harm done. I'd love it if somebody said that to me, even a guy, I'd take the compliment. That's cool if you want that. Or if a woman wants that, but if someone pretty clearly doesn't, then its not cool. Just because you place a lot of value on something like getting a lot of attention doesn't mean everyone else does.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 20:39:59 GMT -5
All those guys are offering her dick she doesn't want. "Oh just saying 'hey beautiful' or 'have a great day' isn't harassment!"
f*** that. Of course its harassment. Those guys don't give a shit about her day beyond whether or not her day ends with their penis in or near her. What's even more disturbing is she clearly had a "f*** off" face on her. Imagine if she smiled in the least. "Well there are bigger problems out there." Not if your whole day, all day, everyday is like that. Sure there are more severe problems but NOT addressing problems like these can lead to something like this becoming a more severe problem down the line. Oh I didn't know mind readers were a real thing.... Its like I get right in your head and read your deepest darkest thoughts, isn't it? Fear not my powers. I'm not a witch.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 28, 2014 20:40:21 GMT -5
All those guys are offering her dick she doesn't want. "Oh just saying 'hey beautiful' or 'have a great day' isn't harassment!" f*** that. Of course its harassment. Those guys don't give a shit about her day beyond whether or not her day ends with their penis in or near her. What's even more disturbing is she clearly had a "f*** off" face on her. Imagine if she smiled in the least. On the other hand, she probably will have the pick of the litter when it comes to relationships and people lining up to date her. There are many many pros to her being considered attractive that will make her life easier. She will also get unwanted attention sure, and some people I'd definitely agree would be in the wrong and are being rude. And of course there are also genuine scumbags out there who are worse than rude. But in general, I don't think compliments because you find somebody hot are automatically evil. You know what's really disturbing? Some people never get any attention from the opposite sex, and are alone forever! They never get the opportunity to complain about their spoil or riches. Of course there's good and bad, but they really downplay the good to complain about the bad. If you have countless suitors, my opinion is you have less to complain about that you think. This is all wrong. Every woman, regardless how she looks, gets street harassed and every instance of it is a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 20:43:47 GMT -5
All those guys are offering her dick she doesn't want. "Oh just saying 'hey beautiful' or 'have a great day' isn't harassment!" f*** that. Of course its harassment. Those guys don't give a shit about her day beyond whether or not her day ends with their penis in or near her. What's even more disturbing is she clearly had a "f*** off" face on her. Imagine if she smiled in the least. "Well there are bigger problems out there." Not if your whole day, all day, everyday is like that. Sure there are more severe problems but NOT addressing problems like these can lead to something like this becoming a more severe problem down the line. That's pretty much simplifying or generalizing every single comment that was made her way. Fine we can simplify further....Harrasment - aggressive pressure or intimidation. Sorry other than 1 or 2 instances where the men followed her or followed up with comments I don't see that happening. As has been discussed throughout this thread, not one person is condoning that. The simple act of a friendly greeting. No sorry that's just getting to generalizing that all men act and think the way you described and that's a load of shit. I could debate whether or not "intimidation" is actually a factor here due to various societal issues, but categorizing anything as a "friendly greeting" when it comes to a stranger briskly walking away from you is a load of shit. There was nothing friendly about it because that would mean they were friends or at least on friendly terms. Which they were not. They were simply cold calling for sex. If they really wanted to engage someone in a friendly way, they'd do it in an appropriate setting, not randomly to a stranger walking somewhere in a hurry. Honestly its rude -even if were a guy talking to a guy, which never happens because, as I said earlier, there's nothing "friendly" about it.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Oct 28, 2014 20:43:56 GMT -5
On the other hand, she probably will have the pick of the litter when it comes to relationships and people lining up to date her. There are many many pros to her being considered attractive that will make her life easier. She will also get unwanted attention sure, and some people I'd definitely agree would be in the wrong and are being rude. And of course there are also genuine scumbags out there who are worse than rude. But in general, I don't think compliments because you find somebody hot are automatically evil. You know what's really disturbing? Some people never get any attention from the opposite sex, and are alone forever! They never get the opportunity to complain about their spoil or riches. Of course there's good and bad, but they really downplay the good to complain about the bad. If you have countless suitors, my opinion is you have less to complain about that you think. This is all wrong. Every woman, regardless how she looks, gets street harassed and every instance of it is a problem. You're generalizing several things, as one would have to to cover this large of a topic. I've acknowledged that I do think there's a line to cross where you'd make someone feel unsafe, invade their space, harass, etc. But the thing is, that line is to some degree subjective, not every women for example would agree on it. To some "hi beautiful" while walking by is offensive, to some it's very much not offensive. There is so much that can't be agreed upon because everyone has their own lines. Random anecdote, just today for example a friend of mine had a stranger in line buy her coffee and whatnot because she's hot, and she boasted about it playfully. Others might be offended, she was not. Some would take so me of the comments in that video as a compliment, everyone has different lines. I agree harassing people is bad, men or women, but I don't think the line is in the same place you do apparently, which to me is fine. On the other hand, she probably will have the pick of the litter when it comes to relationships and people lining up to date her. There are many many pros to her being considered attractive that will make her life easier. She will also get unwanted attention sure, and some people I'd definitely agree would be in the wrong and are being rude. And of course there are also genuine scumbags out there who are worse than rude. But in general, I don't think compliments because you find somebody hot are automatically evil. You know what's really disturbing? Some people never get any attention from the opposite sex, and are alone forever! They never get the opportunity to complain about their spoil or riches. Of course there's good and bad, but they really downplay the good to complain about the bad. If you have countless suitors, my opinion is you have less to complain about that you think. Naturally some strongly disagree with me, but me I'm very much about equality, so I don't think we need to treat one gender as protected snowflakes when it comes to attention and compliments. I acknowledge that making people uncomfortable isn't cool, although those lines are different for everyone. We're already practically in a culture where no eye contact and no connecting in public is almsot the norm, everybody will just stare at their phones and ignore eachother because that's socially acceptable. I say somebody says "Hi beautiful" and keeps on walking, there is no harm done. I'd love it if somebody said that to me, even a guy, I'd take the compliment. That's cool if you want that. Or if a woman wants that, but if someone pretty clearly doesn't, then its not cool. Just because you place a lot of value on something like getting a lot of attention doesn't mean everyone else does. That's the thing, blatant video experiment aside, strangers walking by and saying something aren't going to be able to inherently know if the person they're talking to will be positive or negative on it. Because everyone has different lines.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 28, 2014 20:44:20 GMT -5
... You realize you're negating the feelings of half the population, right? "No harm done". Who are you to say that? Who are you to boil down what I'm assuming you're referring to as genders as two viewpoints? Not every woman is complaining about compliments, for one thing. This is an issue that is not boiled down to the gender of the poster posting it, which I'm also assuming we're the same one? And I'm about equality and am about as progressive as is possible, I guess I just have a different opinion than you on a topic of social etiquette and what it means etc. How many women in your life have you actually had a street harassment discussion with? For some women, the experience of it is something they don't want to relive, and just want to be done with it as soon as the moment's over. Some also find it embarrassing as being demeaned in the street isn't some unique rich experience you want to share. Just because someone doesn't speak up about something that's an ongoing offense to her doesn't mean she's automatically OK.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 28, 2014 20:44:49 GMT -5
All those guys are offering her dick she doesn't want. "Oh just saying 'hey beautiful' or 'have a great day' isn't harassment!" f*** that. Of course its harassment. Those guys don't give a shit about her day beyond whether or not her day ends with their penis in or near her. What's even more disturbing is she clearly had a "f*** off" face on her. Imagine if she smiled in the least. "Well there are bigger problems out there." Not if your whole day, all day, everyday is like that. Sure there are more severe problems but NOT addressing problems like these can lead to something like this becoming a more severe problem down the line. That's pretty much simplifying or generalizing every single comment that was made her way. Fine we can simplify further....Harrasment - aggressive pressure or intimidation. Sorry other than 1 or 2 instances where the men followed her or followed up with comments I don't see that happening. As has been discussed throughout this thread, not one person is condoning that. The simple act of a friendly greeting. No sorry that's just getting to generalizing that all men act and think the way you described and that's a load of shit. I ask again: given that you're not the one who lives this experience, why do you feel compelled to explain how they "should" feel about it? Point one: harassment doesn't have to involve physical pressure or intimidation. That's like saying "it's only racism if you use the n-word" or something. Point two: If it is, indeed, "just a friendly hello", then why are the only strangers they're doing it to women? Point three: Nobody gives a single, solitary shit about the intentions of every guy saying something to the woman. The point of the video is that even if you're approaching with no intention of harming her, she's been putting up with this the entire day, and you're just continuously feeding into it, "intentions" be damned. It's not her job to read your mind and figure out if you mean her harm, it's YOUR job to be a decent person and leave somebody who's going about their own personal business alone. Point four: don't you think women are aware that, duh, the vast majority of men aren't going to attack them, even after catcalling them? It doesn't change that it just takes one loon to get physical about it for there to be a gigantic problem, and constantly dealing with the issue leaves women feeling like they constantly have to be on alert when walking a public sidewalk. As guys, we'd take catcalls (or whatever they'd call it when it's directed at men) directed at us as a joke, because for one it simply isn't done much to us, and secondly, there isn't a clear physical/sexual threat to us given that most men are physically stronger than a woman. Louis CK said it well in one of his sets a few years back when he pointed out "a man's greatest nightmare is a woman embarrassing him; a woman's greatest nightmare is a man killing her." That gives the interaction a grotesquely different level of meaning; and again, women are fully aware most men aren't looking to physically hurt them, but again, your intentions don't mean but two things in this situation: Jack and Shit.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Oct 28, 2014 20:46:42 GMT -5
Who are you to boil down what I'm assuming you're referring to as genders as two viewpoints? Not every woman is complaining about compliments, for one thing. This is an issue that is not boiled down to the gender of the poster posting it, which I'm also assuming we're the same one? And I'm about equality and am about as progressive as is possible, I guess I just have a different opinion than you on a topic of social etiquette and what it means etc. How many women in your life have you actually had a street harassment discussion with? For some women, the experience of it is something they don't want to relive, and just want to be done with it as soon as the moment's over. Some also find it embarrassing as being demeaned in the street isn't some unique rich experience you want to share. Just because someone doesn't speak up about something that's an ongoing offense to her doesn't mean she's automatically OK. Neither of us think harassment is a good thing. I'm defending stuff such as "hi beautiful" or the more benign compliments that were vilified because of the knowledge that human attraction is probably the reason behind them. And of course, the lines on those things are very very subjective.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Oct 28, 2014 20:46:44 GMT -5
Oh I didn't know mind readers were a real thing.... Its like I get right in your head and read your deepest darkest thoughts, isn't it? Fear not my powers. I'm not a witch. Okay what if it's a 20 year old man saying have a nice day to a 50 year old man, is it safe to assume he's only saying that because he wants to put his penis inside him?
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Post by chazraps on Oct 28, 2014 20:47:42 GMT -5
This is all wrong. Every woman, regardless how she looks, gets street harassed and every instance of it is a problem. You're generalizing several things, as one would have to to cover this large of a topic. I've acknowledged that I do think there's a line to cross where you'd make someone feel unsafe, invade their space, harass, etc. But the thing is, that line is to some degree subjective, not every women for example would agree on it. To some "hi beautiful" while walking by is offensive, to some it's very much not offensive. There is so much that can't be agreed upon because everyone has their own lines. Random anecdote, just today for example a friend of mine had a stranger in line buy her coffee and whatnot because she's hot, and she boasted about it playfully. Others might be offended, she was not. Some would take so me of the comments in that video as a compliment, everyone has different lines. I agree harassing people is bad, men or women, but I don't think the line is in the same place you do apparently, which to me is fine. What you're describing is a totally different situation. A woman in line to buy coffee, and someone buying her a coffee is offering someone something that they've displayed they're already consenting to. Same goes for offering to buy a woman a drink at the bar. Had a stranger just walked up to her randomly on the street and said "Hey beautiful, you should have this coffee," it might not be the same welcome reaction. You're also describing a situation where the woman in question is literally getting offered a physical good instead of, as eloquently described earlier in this thread, "cold-calling for sex."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 20:48:02 GMT -5
This is all wrong. Every woman, regardless how she looks, gets street harassed and every instance of it is a problem. You're generalizing several things, as one would have to to cover this large of a topic. I've acknowledged that I do think there's a line to cross where you'd make someone feel unsafe, invade their space, harass, etc. But the thing is, that line is to some degree subjective, not every women for example would agree on it. To some "hi beautiful" while walking by is offensive, to some it's very much not offensive. There is so much that can't be agreed upon because everyone has their own lines. Random anecdote, just today for example a friend of mine had a stranger in line buy her coffee and whatnot because she's hot, and she boasted about it playfully. Others might be offended, she was not. Some would take so me of the comments in that video as a compliment, everyone has different lines. I agree harassing people is bad, men or women, but I don't think the line is in the same place you do apparently, which to me is fine. That's cool if you want that. Or if a woman wants that, but if someone pretty clearly doesn't, then its not cool. Just because you place a lot of value on something like getting a lot of attention doesn't mean everyone else does. That's the thing, blatant video experiment aside, strangers walking by and saying something aren't going to be able to inherently know if the person they're talking to will be positive or negative on it. Because everyone has different lines. Exactly - so they should do the polite thing and leave them alone. Everyone has different lines so save the "unwanted/wanted attention" for a time that's more appropriate and not being shouted randomly on the street. Putting aside all the gender stuff, it is just f***ing rude to try and stop someone who is trying to walk somewhere or get somewhere just so you can express your "joy for the day." Wait for the right time/setting to do it.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 28, 2014 20:49:14 GMT -5
How many women in your life have you actually had a street harassment discussion with? For some women, the experience of it is something they don't want to relive, and just want to be done with it as soon as the moment's over. Some also find it embarrassing as being demeaned in the street isn't some unique rich experience you want to share. Just because someone doesn't speak up about something that's an ongoing offense to her doesn't mean she's automatically OK. Neither of us think harassment is a good thing. I'm defending stuff such as "hi beautiful" or the more benign compliments that were vilified because of the knowledge that human attraction is probably the reason behind them. And of course, the lines on those things are very very subjective. "Hi beautiful" isn't all that benign, you're inserting yourself into a person's day solely based on how you think they appear.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 28, 2014 20:49:47 GMT -5
Its like I get right in your head and read your deepest darkest thoughts, isn't it? Fear not my powers. I'm not a witch. Okay what if it's a 20 year old man saying have a nice day to a 50 year old man, is it safe to assume he's only saying that because he wants to put his penis inside him? ...When the hell does that ever happen?EDIT: Ok, fine, I'll give an example of it happening; 20 year old guy holds the door open for a 50 year old guy who's rushing to work, they laugh a bit, young guy says "have a nice day". Because they've already interacted. But please, oh please, explain to me when in New York City you will ever see a young man going up to a middle aged man and, totally unsolicited, wish him a nice day as the older man is walking around minding his own business. Because my brain, it ain't seeing it.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 28, 2014 20:50:53 GMT -5
Its like I get right in your head and read your deepest darkest thoughts, isn't it? Fear not my powers. I'm not a witch. Okay what if it's a 20 year old man saying have a nice day to a 50 year old man, is it safe to assume he's only saying that because he wants to put his penis inside him? This thread's about women being catcalled, and men do not have to endure absolutely anything close to what women go through, so this question isn't really relevant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 20:51:05 GMT -5
Its like I get right in your head and read your deepest darkest thoughts, isn't it? Fear not my powers. I'm not a witch. Okay what if it's a 20 year old man saying have a nice day to a 50 year old man, is it safe to assume he's only saying that because he wants to put his penis inside him? I'd say that situation would likely not happen unless there was some kind of pre-tense to the conversation. Like they had some kind of previous exchange and "have a nice day" was the button to the conversation. Randomly shouting out things that usually denote the end of a conversation is awkward and strange in most American cities. Or if the 50 year old man is like.. Cillian Murphy or something - then YES.
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 28, 2014 20:52:32 GMT -5
I'm not advocating for the whole boys will be boys mentality. It's simply a case of sometimes there really isn't anything you can do about it. By that I mean the catcalls or whistles and the like. People can try to education or shame individuals into stopping...but if they have their mind set that this is appropriate behavior do you think they would react to that? This is something that's going to take a cultural change, and that kind of change unfortunately cannot happen over night. Gonna be some growing pains with it. I'm really not trying to call you out and I don't mean this as a personal attack or insult but, regarded the words I've bolded, there's the problem with a lot of reactions to this video. There is something people can do about it, to draw attention and discuss and raise awareness like this video has done. I'm sure there's plenty of people who catcall because they don't realize how intrusive, invasive and demeaning it is. The more resources that are out there, the more potential for critical thinking exists. If it weren't for this video, this thread wouldn't exist. While nobody here's probably going to post "I can't believe I've done this to a woman, wow, I'm going to stop," I wouldn't call it entirely a longshot to suggest that it's happening. These discussions are necessary, and there's nothing in the video to suggest this is an overnight solution. Think about how far less you hear "faggot" in public today than, say, ten years ago. Like you said, cultural change needs to happen, and these discussions are precisely the catalyst for that. All good and the discussion is good. By "can't do anything about it" should have elaborated that you can't right there in that moment. Sometimes there is no short term fix and you just gotta ignore an incident in the here and now to not escalate and make a singular issue worse. This isn't aimed at you either just a general statement. Look it just basically boils down to a couple things my father taught me. Just taught me to treat women as people with respect. Do not treat women as objects (unless they are into that kinda thing in the bedroom but I digress). Has every person been raised and taught that way by an influence in their lives at one point. Nope, no way or this wouldn't be an issue we need to be talking about now. Now there's been some opinions expressed in this thread dismissing this issue that I do not agree with. I also do not agree with the thought process that we should all just ignore one another in day to day activities unless we are in a specifically designated social area. Seriously that's what I'm gathering from some responses and it's just making me go WTF. All men are not pervs, some are just being nice. Some have ulterior motives in that video (looking for money amongst other things) and some are downright scumbags. In no way does it make every single instance of a "Hi" have sexual undertones.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 28, 2014 20:52:41 GMT -5
... You realize you're negating the feelings of half the population, right? "No harm done". Who are you to say that? Who are you to boil down what I'm assuming you're referring to as genders as two viewpoints? Not every woman is complaining about compliments, for one thing. And I repeat, who are you to say that?
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Oct 28, 2014 20:54:34 GMT -5
Neither of us think harassment is a good thing. I'm defending stuff such as "hi beautiful" or the more benign compliments that were vilified because of the knowledge that human attraction is probably the reason behind them. And of course, the lines on those things are very very subjective. "Hi beautiful" isn't all that benign, you're inserting yourself into a person's day solely based on how you think they appear. There is a whole of about what you're saying that isn't inherently true, for one based on the fact that some would like that. You're saying it's not benign as in it's harmful, but that's baggage you're attaching to it. Maybe to some it would be, or at least awkward, but to others it wouldn't be. We can't make up one factual rule for how a couple words will effect every human being. Who are you to boil down what I'm assuming you're referring to as genders as two viewpoints? Not every woman is complaining about compliments, for one thing. And I repeat, who are you to say that? A person who probably has about as much life experience as you, or anybody in the topic? I'm saying things because I know them? Like it or don't? I honestly find it a little baffling that what I'm saying is so controversial to you, even if you strongly disagree. It might make your argument cleaner and simpler if a whole gender agreed on everything, but that is not reality.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 20:55:23 GMT -5
I'm really not trying to call you out and I don't mean this as a personal attack or insult but, regarded the words I've bolded, there's the problem with a lot of reactions to this video. There is something people can do about it, to draw attention and discuss and raise awareness like this video has done. I'm sure there's plenty of people who catcall because they don't realize how intrusive, invasive and demeaning it is. The more resources that are out there, the more potential for critical thinking exists. If it weren't for this video, this thread wouldn't exist. While nobody here's probably going to post "I can't believe I've done this to a woman, wow, I'm going to stop," I wouldn't call it entirely a longshot to suggest that it's happening. These discussions are necessary, and there's nothing in the video to suggest this is an overnight solution. Think about how far less you hear "faggot" in public today than, say, ten years ago. Like you said, cultural change needs to happen, and these discussions are precisely the catalyst for that. All good and the discussion is good. By "can't do anything about it" should have elaborated that you can't right there in that moment. Sometimes there is no short term fix and you just gotta ignore an incident in the here and now to not escalate and make a singular issue worse. This isn't aimed at you either just a general statement. Look it just basically boils down to a couple things my father taught me. Just taught me to treat women as people with respect. Do not treat women as objects (unless they are into that kinda thing in the bedroom but I digress). Has every person been raised and taught that way by an influence in their lives at one point. Nope, no way or this wouldn't be an issue we need to be talking about now. Now there's been some opinions expressed in this thread dismissing this issue that I do not agree with. I also do not agree with the thought process that we should all just ignore one another in day to day activities unless we are in a specifically designated social area. Seriously that's what I'm gathering from some responses and it's just making me go WTF. All men are not pervs, some are just being nice. Some have ulterior motives in that video (looking for money amongst other things) and some are downright scumbags. In no way does it make every single instance of a "Hi" have sexual undertones. For most people the sidewalk is a just a way you travel from point A to point B and aren't interested in being social. It is honestly the pedestrian equivalent of rolling your window down on the highway and trying to talk to the person driving next you. I still find the idea of men "just being nice" by saying "hi beautiful" strange and men need to re-assess what they consider nice when so many women have spoken out about it doesn't feel nice when they're being told it by a stranger.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Oct 28, 2014 21:01:31 GMT -5
All good and the discussion is good. By "can't do anything about it" should have elaborated that you can't right there in that moment. Sometimes there is no short term fix and you just gotta ignore an incident in the here and now to not escalate and make a singular issue worse. This isn't aimed at you either just a general statement. Look it just basically boils down to a couple things my father taught me. Just taught me to treat women as people with respect. Do not treat women as objects (unless they are into that kinda thing in the bedroom but I digress). Has every person been raised and taught that way by an influence in their lives at one point. Nope, no way or this wouldn't be an issue we need to be talking about now. Now there's been some opinions expressed in this thread dismissing this issue that I do not agree with. I also do not agree with the thought process that we should all just ignore one another in day to day activities unless we are in a specifically designated social area. Seriously that's what I'm gathering from some responses and it's just making me go WTF. All men are not pervs, some are just being nice. Some have ulterior motives in that video (looking for money amongst other things) and some are downright scumbags. In no way does it make every single instance of a "Hi" have sexual undertones. For most people the sidewalk is a just a way you travel from point A to point B and aren't interested in being social. It is honestly the pedestrian equivalent of rolling your window down on the highway and trying to talk to the person driving next you. I still find the idea of men "just being nice" by saying "hi beautiful" strange and men need to re-assess what they consider nice when so many women have spoken out about it doesn't feel nice when they're being told it by a stranger. Why does none of this apply to women complimenting a man on his looks? You know women aren't always polite? How about equality for example? Why specify it as just men talking to women?
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