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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Nov 24, 2014 19:32:42 GMT -5
Isn't Samoa Joe now the last big holdout? Even though fans wouldn't care and Vince would book him as a dancing buffoon?
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Post by lemonyellowson on Nov 24, 2014 19:37:43 GMT -5
late to the party but holy crap that was all kinds of awesome.
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Post by The Trashman on Nov 24, 2014 19:47:25 GMT -5
Isn't Samoa Joe now the last big holdout? Even though fans wouldn't care and Vince would book him as a dancing buffoon? You arent a holdout if they dont want you.
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Post by madness50 on Nov 25, 2014 1:20:31 GMT -5
Over a full 24 hours later, I am still in shock at what I saw at the Survivor Series. Sting is one of my favorite wrestlers ever and seeing him on WWE TV live and in living color was absolutely astounding. I got cold chills when he walked onto that stage and it is a memory that I will not soon forget as a wrestling fan. The fact that Sting hit the Scorpion Death Drop on HHH and Ziggler picked up the win was the cherry on top of the hot fudge sundae. Moments like that make continue to watch after all these years.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Nov 25, 2014 2:05:43 GMT -5
I just realized, both Undertaker and Sting debuted at Survivor Series... COINCIDENCE?!?
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Post by saintpat on Nov 25, 2014 2:17:47 GMT -5
Isn't Samoa Joe now the last big holdout? Even though fans wouldn't care and Vince would book him as a dancing buffoon? With Kane now in charge of food and beverage -- which includes catering -- the wait is almost over. Daniel Bryan is a genius that way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 5:07:55 GMT -5
Saw this on Tumblr and I'll be damned if it doesn't fit the topic...
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Nov 25, 2014 8:52:44 GMT -5
Saw this on Tumblr and I'll be damned if it doesn't fit the topic... The difference being that week in and week out they were the focal point of TNA. Hell, Hogan would often make up to 3 appearances on a single episode of Impact. Where as in WWE they would make an appearance once in a blue moon, cut a 5 or 10 minute promo and disappear for a couple of months.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Nov 25, 2014 9:05:52 GMT -5
Isn't Samoa Joe now the last big holdout? Even though fans wouldn't care and Vince would book him as a dancing buffoon? He wrestled a few matches on Jakked/Metal in 2001
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Post by mcstoklasa on Nov 25, 2014 9:12:01 GMT -5
Saw this on Tumblr and I'll be damned if it doesn't fit the topic... The difference being that week in and week out they were the focal point of TNA. Hell, Hogan would often make up to 3 appearances on a single episode of Impact. Where as in WWE they would make an appearance once in a blue moon, cut a 5 or 10 minute promo and disappear for a couple of months. Also seeing Sting in the huge arenas, with huge crowds and high production values is so much more "epic" than the little Impact Zone. Also the quality of competition he could face, Taker, HHH, Cena, Orton etc.
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Post by CH Punk on Nov 25, 2014 9:44:53 GMT -5
You know, just hearing Sting's name on Raw as a character with The Authority being pissed at him and Cena/Ziggler thanking him felt bizarre.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 25, 2014 9:46:06 GMT -5
Saw this on Tumblr and I'll be damned if it doesn't fit the topic... They're either trying to get a cheap laugh by being reductive, or they're an idiot, because this is such a vast oversimplification of the point.
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Post by Evil Homer on Nov 25, 2014 9:48:47 GMT -5
I would have rather seen him debut in the rumble as a surprise, & either Orton or Bryan helped Ziggler win
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Nov 25, 2014 9:52:13 GMT -5
Saw this on Tumblr and I'll be damned if it doesn't fit the topic... I don't really feel the top picture captures a common criticism of TNA. To me, a meme using pictures to make a point is less effective if it doesn't really reflect the way most people feel. It's not like they were never criticized for having too many old legends. Heyman said if he was running TNA he'd fire everyone over 40. Flair, Hogan, and Foley were only occasionally used as in-ring wrestlers. This criticism was a big talking point about WCW during the Monday Night Wars. I don't really feel like it has been as big a deal for TNA. Out of those four, only Sting was a regular wrestler, and even he was more semi-regular. Flair was mostly a manager. Hogan was mostly an authority figure. Foley wrestled occasionally, feuded with authority figures, and was part of the E V3.0 storyline. There was a time when Hogan was all over TV and fans got tired of him. I don't think Flair and Foley were ever really used so much that fans got tired of them. Some might think Sting did get too much exposure, but even he was only semi-regular. The bottom picture is showing legends making special, often one-off appearances. These appearances feel more special to fans and that's why fans would enjoy these so much.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Nov 25, 2014 11:16:40 GMT -5
Never watched much of TNA sting, just watched Bound for Glory 08 with Sting vs Samoa Joe.
Sting would have been around 48 or 49 there. Damn he could go pretty damn well! If he come anywhere close to that for one more match, then that would be splendid. He also needs to make sure he trains his ass off so he can wear the singlet/vest/whatever its called.
I know his hair is thinning but he looked better with it dyed black as well.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Nov 25, 2014 11:51:11 GMT -5
I also thought he should dye his hair black, but then I realized it's probably strategic on his part to keep it highlighted, since he's balding.
As for his upcoming matches, I'd love Sting/HHH. Bray Wyatt mentioned on Austin's podcast that he'd love to wrestle Taker and Sting. My guess he'll get Sting at Mania 32 in a retirement match.
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Post by gnr123 on Nov 25, 2014 12:41:04 GMT -5
Saw this on Tumblr and I'll be damned if it doesn't fit the topic... See, things like this piss me off. I still remember when this kind of thing was said after Hogan returned. The difference between WWE and TNA is, in TNA they were all over the show. And most the time they were winning feuds against younger stars or taking up WAY too much TV time (Hogan). Whereas WWE treats these guys like they are, old and retired. You not going to see any of them winning any titles, the only one who will have a match is Sting out of the 4 of them. Hogan's used sporadically for promos', Flair been there four times in the last two years, Foley's hardly there at all. WWE uses these guys for important moments and promotion, whereas TNA used them to get ratings and attendance because none of their own guys can draw. HUGE difference.
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Post by "I'm Batman..." on Nov 25, 2014 13:29:40 GMT -5
My only issue with Sting's debut is that (I thought) it overshadowed Ziggler's amazing showing. Seems that just about everyone and their mother is still pumped about how awesome Ziggler looked, so... Woo! Sting! I think Cena coming out at the end is what really overshadowed Ziggler's performance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 14:44:28 GMT -5
Saw this on Tumblr and I'll be damned if it doesn't fit the topic... See, things like this piss me off. I still remember when this kind of thing was said after Hogan returned. The difference between WWE and TNA is, in TNA they were all over the show. And most the time they were winning feuds against younger stars or taking up WAY too much TV time (Hogan). Whereas WWE treats these guys like they are, old and retired. You not going to see any of them winning any titles, the only one who will have a match is Sting out of the 4 of them. Hogan's used sporadically for promos', Flair been there four times in the last two years, Foley's hardly there at all. WWE uses these guys for important moments and promotion, whereas TNA used them to get ratings and attendance because none of their own guys can draw. HUGE difference. "WWE treats these guys like they are, old and retired." Sting interfered in the main event of a Pay-Per-View and had a direct affect on the outcome. That's not treating him as old and retired. Again, I'm a Sting fan, but the guy will be 56. Except for special exhibition matches here and there, his career by all rights should be over. He shouldn't have anything to do physically with the main story of the company and definitely not the outcome of PPV main events. I don't necessarily agree with the image, but WWE absolutely went with Sting over a different roster member. Someone active could have easily gotten that spot. Hell, the newz are reporting that Orton was actually there dressed and was stood down so it could be Sting. Color it however you will, this is WWE using a guy in his mid 50s during the main event while Cesaro lost on the pre-show. I'm all for Sting hype, but this isn't feelgood nostalgia, they're relying on him over another roster member to draw. The guy who was Ryback's age when Paige was born. The guy who's a decade older than Triple H. The same people who complain about Cena and Orton being on top forever and about WWE having to rely on part-timers and returning older stars like Lesnar, Batista and Rock because they're not making enough new stars seem to be perfectly fine with them going back even further for Sting.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 25, 2014 15:54:04 GMT -5
The same people who complain about Cena and Orton being on top forever and about WWE having to rely on part-timers and returning older stars like Lesnar, Batista and Rock because they're not making enough new stars seem to be perfectly fine with them going back even further for Sting. The difference is Sting is a huge exception. He's literally the biggest name in wrestling in North America (and perhaps the world) from the last 35 years to have not stepped into a WWE ring. When you have someone like that you make exceptions, part-timer or not.
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