Essential1
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Post by Essential1 on Nov 29, 2014 3:36:03 GMT -5
Yeah but look how long he held the world title for. After 434 Days as WWE champion he had to lose a few matches here and there, and those matches were not going to be against just anyone.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Nov 29, 2014 3:37:30 GMT -5
At this point in my life I'm really starting to question my wrestling hobby. Especially the WWE part of it.
Punk was getting 2 MRIs a week while he was wrestling. He's insane. The wrestling industry is insane. And sick.
I can't watch TNA either because it's just as bad or worse than the WWE when it comes to this.
Maybe, maybe I can enjoy ROH or perhaps SHIMMER. These companies don't seem to have the life and death mentality of working.
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 29, 2014 3:39:15 GMT -5
Honestly I'm glad he lost against all 3. Rock being WWE Champion again is good business to WWE whether IWC like it or not. Undertaker it was Wrestlemania and at that time the streak wasn't eneding. And Brock is a monster who should rarely lose.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 3:43:29 GMT -5
I never noticed he has Papa Shango tattooed on his hand.
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Post by BigBadZ on Nov 29, 2014 3:59:37 GMT -5
I think CM Punk draws in more heat from some users on this board then Chris Benoit himself To be fair, Benoit never wore fur coats and gold chains....
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Nov 29, 2014 6:07:35 GMT -5
Honestly I'm glad he lost against all 3. Rock being WWE Champion again is good business to WWE whether IWC like it or not. Undertaker it was Wrestlemania and at that time the streak wasn't eneding. And Brock is a monster who should rarely lose. Why do you care so much about what is good business? You should care about having a good experience. If wrestling is shit forever in the name of ever greater profits what benefit does it have for you?
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 29, 2014 6:24:00 GMT -5
Honestly I'm glad he lost against all 3. Rock being WWE Champion again is good business to WWE whether IWC like it or not. Undertaker it was Wrestlemania and at that time the streak wasn't eneding. And Brock is a monster who should rarely lose. Why do you care so much about what is good business? You should care about having a good experience. If wrestling is shit forever in the name of ever greater profits what benefit does it have for you? Might be a shareholder
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 29, 2014 6:34:44 GMT -5
I hope that Punk responds to an invitation to be inducted with a similar response to that by the Sex Pistols to their nomination for induction into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. WWE needs Punk at this juncture more that Punk needs WWE. Punk is in an unprecedented position - he left near the top with a loaded bank account countered by a simple home life. He's not going to be hurting financially anytime soon. In all fairness to WWE, they don't really need Punk right now either. They never needed him, outside of the two months of the Pipe Bomb. Yeah, he wasn't booked well, but I always felt that his angles ran out of steam after starting out fast(Him droning on during the SES phase), him with Heyman are two examples. He is a fantastic talent, but as much as it probably hurts him, he's not at that top tier level, not for a sustainable period of time.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 29, 2014 6:44:03 GMT -5
I'm a fan of wrestler Punk, I really am, but I can't help but think he holds himself in too high esteem. So he didn't have their constant attention 24/7 in Creative- surely they have ups and downs with everybody? I have sympathy for Vince, who has to try and please everybody. And if he thinks he should be getting the same pay as Taker, Rock, Brock and Cena he's deluded. Triple H I'll grant him. It's not based on match quality but drawing power and he knows that's just how wrestling works.
I also accept this may be a bit naive of me but I truly don't believe they would have let him wrestle if they knew how ill he was, either because they cared or, more likely, because they wouldn't want the legal hassle. And if he was always an angry, grumpy person, WWE may not have considered that he was ill. I have to give WWE the benefit of the doubt here, we don't know what they knew, what they were told, or any of the discussions they would have had with Punk. We have only Punk's word to go on. He's justifiably angry but it's only one side and I just don't believe in this day and age that WWE would risk a lawsuit like this.
Just saying I'd like to hear Vince's perspective on this, and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 29, 2014 6:46:03 GMT -5
I'm a fan of wrestler Punk, I really am, but I can't help but think he holds himself in too high esteem. So he didn't have their constant attention 24/7 in Creative- surely they have ups and downs with everybody? I have sympathy for Vince, who has to try and please everybody. And if he thinks he should be getting the same pay as Taker, Rock, Brock and Cena he's deluded. Triple H I'll grant him. It's not based on match quality but drawing power and he knows that's just how wrestling works. I also accept this may be a bit naive of me but I truly don't believe they would have let him wrestle if they knew how ill he was, either because they cared or, more likely, because they wouldn't want the legal hassle. And if he was always an angry, grumpy person, WWE may not have considered that he was ill. I have to give WWE the benefit of the doubt here, we don't know what they knew, what they were told, or any of the dicussions they would have had with Punk. We have only Punk's word to go on. He's justifiably angry but it's only one side and I just don't believe in this day and age that WWE would risk a lawsuit like this To be fair, how many wrestlers don't hold themselves in higher esteem than they are? Daniel Bryan?
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Post by DjZonk on Nov 29, 2014 7:31:58 GMT -5
Godfather ironically. The guy is painfully humble and giggly. Seems to be a great guy.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 29, 2014 7:53:36 GMT -5
In all fairness to WWE, they don't really need Punk right now either. They never needed him, outside of the two months of the Pipe Bomb. Yeah, he wasn't booked well, but I always felt that his angles ran out of steam after starting out fast(Him droning on during the SES phase), him with Heyman are two examples. He is a fantastic talent, but as much as it probably hurts him, he's not at that top tier level, not for a sustainable period of time. He's not at the top tier because, like Warrior with Hulk, they were never 100% behind him the way they were Cena. Whenever something he did started to catch on, they'd find a way to knock the wind from his sails, making his hottest streak become a feud with a past his prime, always overprotected Triple H and Kevin Nash or turning his stable into a bunch of jobbers that couldn't win if you put them in a handicap shoot match against Zach Gowen with a broken leg. Punk isn't Triple H, he's never had the final say over his booking, he went out there and performed the angles he was placed in like everyone else so the blame for things fizzling out lays entirely on the shoulders of the WWE's booking team and management and their shortsighted belief that Cena can go on forever so don't really need anyone on his level.
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Post by hossfan on Nov 29, 2014 8:01:56 GMT -5
He never has to work and gets bang AJ Lee. He is a winner in life. He has everything one could ever ask for. Except the one thing he's always wanted, to be in the main event of WrestleMania. Or to get paid like the guys that were. Either/or.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 29, 2014 9:23:32 GMT -5
They never needed him, outside of the two months of the Pipe Bomb. Yeah, he wasn't booked well, but I always felt that his angles ran out of steam after starting out fast(Him droning on during the SES phase), him with Heyman are two examples. He is a fantastic talent, but as much as it probably hurts him, he's not at that top tier level, not for a sustainable period of time. He's not at the top tier because, like Warrior with Hulk, they were never 100% behind him the way they were Cena. Whenever something he did started to catch on, they'd find a way to knock the wind from his sails, making his hottest streak become a feud with a past his prime, always overprotected Triple H and Kevin Nash or turning his stable into a bunch of jobbers that couldn't win if you put them in a handicap shoot match against Zach Gowen with a broken leg. Punk isn't Triple H, he's never had the final say over his booking, he went out there and performed the angles he was placed in like everyone else so the blame for things fizzling out lays entirely on the shoulders of the WWE's booking team and management and their shortsighted belief that Cena can go on forever so don't really need anyone on his level. Daniel Bryan was able to stay white hot for 8 months even though they undercut him constantly. I just don't think he's quite at that level that can survive an undercutting.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Nov 29, 2014 10:23:00 GMT -5
I believe punk when he says that he wasn't allowed time off to heal and was asked to work through it even though he was hurting. It's funny, because I remember almost 9 years ago( or whenever he jumped to TNA), Kurt angle gave an interview with a local L.A. sports radio station and what he said almost mirrors Punk's comments almost a decade later. He said that he asked for a reduced schedule because of his injuries, but they wouldn't give it to him "because he was a top draw", to which he mentioned that other guys who are considered top draws (HBK, Taker and Triple H) were allowed part time schedules. Kurt Angle interviewThe WWE seems to have a pattern in which they take guys who are considered the workhorses and drive them into the ground, while protecting the chosen few who are deemed mega stars. It's been that way for a very long time, but no one as high as Punk's stature in the company had the balls to say anything about it, and there's no excuse for any company to ask their guys to go out and perform with injuries piling up, especially if they ask for time off to recuperate.
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 29, 2014 10:25:33 GMT -5
Why do you care so much about what is good business? You should care about having a good experience. If wrestling is shit forever in the name of ever greater profits what benefit does it have for you? Might be a shareholder Shhhhh
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 29, 2014 11:33:18 GMT -5
At this point in my life I'm really starting to question my wrestling hobby. Especially the WWE part of it. Punk was getting 2 MRIs a week while he was wrestling. He's insane. The wrestling industry is insane. And sick. I can't watch TNA either because it's just as bad or worse than the WWE when it comes to this. Maybe, maybe I can enjoy ROH or perhaps SHIMMER. These companies don't seem to have the life and death mentality of working. Hate to be the one to break this to you but...welcome to the wrestling business. That's how it works. Promoters are assholes that will work the horse until they have to put a bullet in their head. God forbid what's going on in that wrestler's personal life, as long as he's making me money, who cares!?!?!? It's an awful awful attitude that has existed since pretty much the beginning and I fear will never truly go away as long as they are carny bastards promoting it and young wrestlers that don't have much long-term thinking that are willing to live in a wheelchair in their later years so they can be on top now. When Jesse Sorenson broke his neck, Dixie Carter personally promised him and his mother that TNA would pick up the tab on his medical bills. Then, they just didn't without telling Sorenson. The point I'm making is that there are some real scumbags that are leading the industry and there always has been. Kinda makes you wonder, if Punk was that banged up, what kind of shape is Cena in who worked a more extensive schedule for a much longer period of time?
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 29, 2014 11:39:53 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan was able to stay white hot for 8 months even though they undercut him constantly. I just don't think he's quite at that level that can survive an undercutting. That's a little unfair. Bryan was white-hot BECAUSE they were undercutting him constantly, and fans wouldn't have gotten so behind a "booking underdog" like Bryan if they hadn't already been through it with Punk.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 29, 2014 12:35:50 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan was able to stay white hot for 8 months even though they undercut him constantly. I just don't think he's quite at that level that can survive an undercutting. That's a little unfair. Bryan was white-hot BECAUSE they were undercutting him constantly, and fans wouldn't have gotten so behind a "booking underdog" like Bryan if they hadn't already been through it with Punk. And Dolph Ziggler, and Ryback, and Zack Ryder, and Kofi Kingston (STUPID! STUPID! STUPID!), and Rob van Dam, and Booker T, and Chris Jericho, and...
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Nov 29, 2014 15:37:08 GMT -5
It sucks that he never headlined WM but honestly if Punk has well and truly had enough of wrestling because he was unhappy and his body was started to break down then good on him for leaving. Because I would much rather see him retired and living a well off and happy life rather than be another wrestler who is forced to retire because his body is damaged beyond repair and spends the rest of his life in pain.
Plus he gets to bang A.J the lucky bastard.
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