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Post by chrom on Apr 20, 2015 17:33:50 GMT -5
Wait a minute... Varys wants Dany to rule, but he had Jorah spy on her and sent assassins to kill her? I presume to keep up appearances in court. Wouldn't do for your Spymaster to do nothing about the Targaryen issue . And the poison The Wine Merchant attempted to give her way back in Season 1 would likely be ineffective or not poison at all.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Apr 20, 2015 17:37:55 GMT -5
I presume to keep up appearances in court. Wouldn't do for your Spymaster to do nothing about the Targaryen issue . Except, you know who controls all the information? Varys. "Yes my king, my little birds tell me the Targaryen girl avoided assassination." You know what that doesn't require? Actually sending assassins! Well where's the fun in that?
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Apr 20, 2015 18:16:18 GMT -5
I presume to keep up appearances in court. Wouldn't do for your Spymaster to do nothing about the Targaryen issue . And the poison The Wine Merchant attempted to give her way back in Season 1 would likely be ineffective or not poison at all. Yeah, but the Merchant didn't seem in on the act and I don't think it was part of his instructions to give out ineffective poison since he refused to drink it.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Apr 20, 2015 18:21:20 GMT -5
Hum, pretty sure you still get a trial even if you plead guilty (to determine the most appropriate sentence). I'm also fairly certain a guilty plea allows you to avoid the death penalty. Of course, this is kind of a moot point considering the people of Meereen. She just parades the guy in front of them and tells them "I'm gonna kill this guy you love but it's okay because he totally pled guilty of murder; you can trust me, you guys, no need to check" then ignores them when they ask for mercy. When you want to convince people that you're on their side, don't kill one of their guys in front of them without even presenting them with any kind of evidence that they even did the thing you're killing them for. She was screwed either way. Holding a public execution was the only way to show decisiveness, but also a guaranteed way to get the people angry. Or she could throw him in jail. Or better yet: not tell anyone about the murder of the Son of Harpy, say that the investigation was still under way and discreetly getting rid of Mossador. You know, something that would solve the problem without making everyone want to murder her.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Apr 20, 2015 18:38:48 GMT -5
well, daenerys WANTED a reaction ..... and she got one! like so many wrongs trying to make one right, and failing totally!!! and will she even BE queen when varys and tyrion get there??? i know in the season trailer there might be some trouble for our dragon queen ..... interesting episode, setting up things nicely, loved the teeny tiny knocks arya made on the door and some more badassery from brianne ..... stupid stark girls, bloody stubborn i say i thought they were gonna pass them AGAIN in the tavern, would have made a funny running gag
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Post by Bobeddy on Apr 20, 2015 18:45:21 GMT -5
I presume to keep up appearances in court. Wouldn't do for your Spymaster to do nothing about the Targaryen issue . Except, you know who controls all the information? Varys. "Yes my king, my little birds tell me the Targaryen girl avoided assassination." You know what that doesn't require? Actually sending assassins! Except you forget that Varys' plan was to get a Targaryen on the throne, not Dany. At the time he sent the assassin, Viserys was the Targaryen heir and still very much alive. At this point Dany didn't have dragons or an army, or had yet to do anything for anyone to believe she could rule. All she was Khal Drogo's wife and mother of his unborn son. So if Dany gets poisoned and Drogo loses his wife and child, killed by Viserys' enemies, that could be the spark that motivates him to bring his khalasar across the sea and help Viserys claim the throne. Viserys died in Episode 6, and the poisoning didn't happen until Episode 7. And at that point Varys said to Ned it was too late to call back the order. With Viserys dead, Varys is hitching his flag to the only living Targaryen. The guy adapts when he needs to.
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Post by walterharrow on Apr 20, 2015 19:12:43 GMT -5
Arya is my favourite character in the books and show (and I think Maisie Williams is great) so it was great to see her again after missing her last week. I really enjoyed her scenes and am looking forward to the rest of her story this season
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Post by Bobeddy on Apr 20, 2015 19:20:05 GMT -5
Arya is my favourite character in the books and show (and I think Maisie Williams is great) so it was great to see her again after missing her last week. I really enjoyed her scenes and am looking forward to the rest of her story this season Arya is also my favourite character and I agree Maisie Williams has been killing it from the get go.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Apr 20, 2015 21:50:55 GMT -5
Jaquen is my favorite character (Well, outside of the main cast). Needless to say I like the next to last scene.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 21, 2015 1:23:45 GMT -5
Oh Brienne, you're reaching a Ned Stark of honour before reason, don't be this stupid. Pod even gave you a way out, but no, you have your vow, so you'll go up against the Lord of the Vale and it'll end horribly.
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Post by chrom on Apr 21, 2015 16:13:13 GMT -5
So place your bets, what season will Rickon Stark return in?
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Post by Fundertaker on Apr 21, 2015 16:34:12 GMT -5
So place your bets, what season will Rickon Stark return in? 10
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Apr 21, 2015 18:28:07 GMT -5
So place your bets, what season will Rickon Stark return in? He'll return for the last episode only to be stepped on by a dragon
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Post by chrom on Apr 21, 2015 23:27:30 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me given the changes they are doing, if they adapted out Rickon and make a offhand motion he was killed or pretend he didn't exist at all.
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Post by Cela on Apr 22, 2015 0:09:21 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me given the changes they are doing, if they adapted out Rickon and make a offhand motion he was killed or pretend he didn't exist at all. Maybe Brienne will find him, and finally have a Stark to guard.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 22, 2015 0:57:49 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me given the changes they are doing, if they adapted out Rickon and make a offhand motion he was killed or pretend he didn't exist at all. Maybe Brienne will find him, and finally have a Stark to guard. Nah, Osha'd fight her off.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 22, 2015 6:15:56 GMT -5
Except, you know who controls all the information? Varys. "Yes my king, my little birds tell me the Targaryen girl avoided assassination." You know what that doesn't require? Actually sending assassins! Except you forget that Varys' plan was to get a Targaryen on the throne, not Dany. At the time he sent the assassin, Viserys was the Targaryen heir and still very much alive. At this point Dany didn't have dragons or an army, or had yet to do anything for anyone to believe she could rule. All she was Khal Drogo's wife and mother of his unborn son. So if Dany gets poisoned and Drogo loses his wife and child, killed by Viserys' enemies, that could be the spark that motivates him to bring his khalasar across the sea and help Viserys claim the throne. Viserys died in Episode 6, and the poisoning didn't happen until Episode 7. And at that point Varys said to Ned it was too late to call back the order. With Viserys dead, Varys is hitching his flag to the only living Targaryen. The guy adapts when he needs to. why someone concerned with the good of the realm would want Viserys to be king is anybody's guess.
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Post by Bobeddy on Apr 22, 2015 12:47:15 GMT -5
Except you forget that Varys' plan was to get a Targaryen on the throne, not Dany. At the time he sent the assassin, Viserys was the Targaryen heir and still very much alive. At this point Dany didn't have dragons or an army, or had yet to do anything for anyone to believe she could rule. All she was Khal Drogo's wife and mother of his unborn son. So if Dany gets poisoned and Drogo loses his wife and child, killed by Viserys' enemies, that could be the spark that motivates him to bring his khalasar across the sea and help Viserys claim the throne. Viserys died in Episode 6, and the poisoning didn't happen until Episode 7. And at that point Varys said to Ned it was too late to call back the order. With Viserys dead, Varys is hitching his flag to the only living Targaryen. The guy adapts when he needs to. why someone concerned with the good of the realm would want Viserys to be king is anybody's guess. Once it's revealed that Varys was the one working with Illyrio to put Viserys back on the throne, chances are Varys would be kept as Master of Whispers. At that point he could help direct and counsel Viserys to being a good king. If it's clear it's not going to work out, wait for him to have an heir, arrange Viserys' death and then install someone capable as the kid's regent while the heir is groomed to not be a train-wreck.
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Post by Crimson on Apr 22, 2015 13:38:35 GMT -5
why someone concerned with the good of the realm would want Viserys to be king is anybody's guess. Once it's revealed that Varys was the one working with Illyrio to put Viserys back on the throne, chances are Varys would be kept as Master of Whispers. At that point he could help direct and counsel Viserys to being a good king. If it's clear it's not going to work out, wait for him to have an heir, arrange Viserys' death and then install someone capable as the kid's regent while the heir is groomed to not be a train-wreck. That and given how Patriarchal Westeros is as a whole, Viserys would have been the easier of the two to get on the throne, at the time anyway.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 22, 2015 22:26:47 GMT -5
So, apparently, the leaks show that the character who's been killed off in the show but not in the books is {Spoiler}Barristan Selmy. Because god forbid any decent character that people like upstage Martin and D&D's Mighty Whitey, Daenerys Targaryen.
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