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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 19, 2015 13:46:37 GMT -5
What if she was beating a kid or something else that's wrong and he, or anyone for that matter posted it without her consent? I'd like to think he'd go to police instead of posting it on social media but even so, that would be in the public interest. This isn't. This is just him poking fun at somebody minding her own business who wasn't harming him in any way.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 19, 2015 14:14:13 GMT -5
*looks at ass*
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 19, 2015 14:33:06 GMT -5
Ok, I'm gonna take the risk here.
The "They should have considered what they were wearing" argument.
And this is just a personal opinion.
The difference is thought v action.
Say you go out in a revealing outfit, you know doing that, some people are going to look and think certain things. That's just the nature of the world.
However, you shouldn't have to worry about people acting on that. Someone can think "wow that's a great ass", once that take a photo and put it online, they whistle at you, whatever, they've taken an action and objectified you to people without your knowledge, be it a couple of friends gawping over you, or thousands of followers.
Action is the point where consent comes into it for me. Personally, I don't mind being objectified, it's an ego boost. But I know people who'd be horrified and want to curl up and die if it happened to them. You don't know the person you're doing this to, how it will affect their life, so you shouldn't do it.
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Post by lodirulz on Apr 19, 2015 14:33:42 GMT -5
There are some things that you can post without consent and it's OK. Like if someone's at their job, or you work with someone at this job and they are on a tirade, just saying awful things about a person that are clearly uncalled for, like a series of racial slurs, or they are doing something like abusing someone or harassing someone that has told them to stop. Being it online or on video somehow or someway, that's alright to do, because it shows people what is up with that particular person.
In this case, if Buble's wife took this picture, and neither of the two consented her on taking said picture, posting said picture, and making said comments about said picture, then yes my god, he deserves criticism. The girl doesn't deserve criticism for what she's wearing, that's called going out and being comfortable.
If the girl in the picture ends up saying "Look, I'm fine with the picture and the comments. I got a laugh of it. Just know for everybody else, you probably shouldn't try to do the same thing that he did, because that would get you the same heat that he got, because he didn't consent to do that", then I'd let Michael off the hook. Or if Michael eventually says that he knows that what he did was wrong and creepy, and that in the future, he'll ask people if this is OK to do, and that he would specifically say that he got permission to take that picture and say that stuff.
But until then, Michael has got a interim spot on Lonely Island in my heart. Because he's clearly doing the creep.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 19, 2015 15:01:37 GMT -5
He posted a voyeuristic photo of a stranger's ass. That's creepy. And I've seen people say, "Well, he meant it as a compliment." Okay, cool. Next time you see an attractive stranger on the street, just go ahead and take their picture without their permission and justify it by saying, "But I think you're hot!" Lemme know how that works out. Maybe people should think about this before they go out in public wearing something that just barely covers their ass cheeks. It wasn't even body shaming so wtf Yeah, maybe if she were wearing a burqa, this wouldn't have ever happened. OR, maybe men could treat women's choice of attire as their choice and not some sort of tease they just have to masturbate to later. So where is the line drawn, then? Does this mean anybody can put anybody's picture on the internet with patronising captions if they like/don't like/are offended by somebody else's outfit? But that ties into another question, where's the line drawn on the other side? What Buble said ABOUT the picture is the biggest issue here, paying attention to the actual woman- but from how the photograph was taken, the woman was in the background of the picture, while Buble was front and center and clearly the subject of the picture. For this problem, it's clear what Buble did is wrong. However, from people saying it was wrong that he didn't get the person's permission (when she was in the background), that is the other side: Where's the line drawn? If you're at a big public event like a concert or a stadium and you're taking a picture of yourself, do you need to go straight down the line and ask every single person who's head may conceivably show up in the background of your picture if you can have permission to take that picture? Buble should not have drawn attention to the person, but at the same time the picture itself was so clearly the background of an inconsequential picture of himself that there has to be some level of request there. From how the photograph was taken? The photograph was taken with the clear purpose of pointing out that woman's ass. There's about two summer months worth of daylight between that and a bog-standard candid photo. Asking to draw a line between those two scenarios is like asking someone to draw a line between France and the planet Neptune.
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Post by xCompackx on Apr 19, 2015 15:19:57 GMT -5
I still don't see what the big deal is. I'm sure there's been plenty of pictures of men posted online with no clear indicator as to whether permission was given or not. Just curious: When you read about instances of racism, do you immediately think, "Well, I'm sure white people have experienced it, too"? No, I don't. But to expand on my original point, if a famous woman posted something similar involving a man, would she catch the same criticisms that we're handing out to Michael Buble? I'm not trying to suggest that any gender deserves more right to complain than the other, it's just that the whole idea of "gender equality" goes both ways.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 19, 2015 15:33:51 GMT -5
Just curious: When you read about instances of racism, do you immediately think, "Well, I'm sure white people have experienced it, too"? No, I don't. But to expand on my original point, if a famous woman posted something similar involving a man, would she catch the same criticisms that we're handing out to Michael Buble? I'm not trying to suggest that any gender deserves more right to complain than the other, it's just that the whole idea of "gender equality" goes both ways. Yes, I think most people would object to the consent issue regardless of who was in the picture.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Apr 19, 2015 15:52:55 GMT -5
Just curious: When you read about instances of racism, do you immediately think, "Well, I'm sure white people have experienced it, too"? No, I don't. But to expand on my original point, if a famous woman posted something similar involving a man, would she catch the same criticisms that we're handing out to Michael Buble? I'm not trying to suggest that any gender deserves more right to complain than the other, it's just that the whole idea of "gender equality" goes both ways. A lack of consent spans genders. But why are you talking about hypotheticals when the Buble incident is a tangible one? Furthermore, to equate the body-image pressures facing the sexes is incredibly disingenuous. The issues that men experience in this regard pale in comparison to the immense pressure faced by young women. The male gaze dominates Western society.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Apr 19, 2015 23:25:18 GMT -5
I wonder if she even knows about any of this and how she feels about it. How many people would have seen this picture if it wasn't for the article about it? They're just as guilty as him really. Hell, the OP's guilty for making this thread and showing that young lady's rear end to everybody here. Not that I really think anybody did anything tremendously wrong in the first place, but assuming that girl IS ashamed of the picture, we're all just making it worse.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 0:31:03 GMT -5
Are people really getting up in arms about this?...do some just go looking to get offended?
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Post by Display Name on Apr 20, 2015 3:26:19 GMT -5
Are people really getting up in arms about this?...do some just go looking to get offended? Oh, TONS just go looking to get offended.I'll never get it.Put that f***in' energy into something else.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 20, 2015 4:10:31 GMT -5
Are people really getting up in arms about this?...do some just go looking to get offended? Again, nope. I just take a few moments to say my opinion on something and then go on with my day. Although if "stop being offended!" is your only argument then I'm assuming you can't defend posting a creepshot of someone.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 20, 2015 7:37:58 GMT -5
No, I don't. But to expand on my original point, if a famous woman posted something similar involving a man, would she catch the same criticisms that we're handing out to Michael Buble? I'm not trying to suggest that any gender deserves more right to complain than the other, it's just that the whole idea of "gender equality" goes both ways. A lack of consent spans genders. But why are you talking about hypotheticals when the Buble incident is a tangible one? Furthermore, to equate the body-image pressures facing the sexes is incredibly disingenuous. The issues that men experience in this regard pale in comparison to the immense pressure faced by young women. The male gaze dominates Western society.This is the factor people really need to take into consideration. That's not just a Tumblr buzzword, it's a real thing that sociologists have been discussing for decades now. Whether or not the girl in the photo approves is kinda irrelevant to why people are upset with the dude. There understandably wouldn't be as much offense if their sexes were reversed, because the female gaze just isn't as overwhelming and never has been. So at least in 2015, no, unfortunately gender equality doesn't go both ways yet.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Apr 20, 2015 8:08:03 GMT -5
Are people really getting up in arms about this?...do some just go looking to get offended? It's creepy and wrong. This really isn't much better than those people who take upskirt photos of women in public.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 11:57:43 GMT -5
Are people really getting up in arms about this?...do some just go looking to get offended? It's creepy and wrong. This really isn't much better than those people who take upskirt photos of women in public. It's not really on that level, and the fact that you have to refer to something more severe to make the point doesn't help your argument. Upskirt photos are a a willful invasion of privacy, usually to stick on some scumbag website. What Buble did is just being careless, and a product social media's presence in our lives. It was done because he and his wife are living, as many do, in a mode where he's on the look out for something cool/remarkable to post to his account(s), so he can get likes and keep a social media presence and just general dicking around, whatever the reason is that it's so popular. It's fun, Maggle! That's my read anyway. I think people are rushing to a moral judgement, instead of recognizing that it's a societal thing and something we all need to work on. It's not always about blame or right or wrong. I don't think this reflects on Buble as being a bad guy. As I said, carelessness, lack of foresight, failure to consider the girl's feelings. Not that this plays into any of it, I'd be really interested to hear what the girl in the picture has to say about it all. I hope, for her sake, that it didn't hurt her in any way.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 20, 2015 12:26:06 GMT -5
Not the same as upskirt. This woman wore those shorts herself, no chicanery on dude's part.
It's not right, but not equal to upskirt stuff.
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