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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 4, 2015 9:00:12 GMT -5
Chavo is ABSOLUTELY The Jannetty. He's literally the guy who's universally remembered as "Eddie's Nephew". To the point where Kurt Angle had to mention Eddie just to try to put over Chavo. But he deliberately took on the character of "Eddie's nephew" as a heel to get under people's skin, and it successfully worked for him as a heel. When it's that deliberate, and successful with intentional crowd reactions, it doesn't make sense to make that a mark against the guy. Except it's still making his name off the back of his uncle/tag team partner. That's literally his only characteristic, that he tag teamed with his uncle for a while. That's his only character tic, "Remember my uncle Eddie?" Regardless of whether you "took it on deliberately" or not, if you're entire career is based around the fact that you used to be in a tag team with someone....you might just be a Jannetty.
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Post by Vern on Oct 4, 2015 9:40:17 GMT -5
Chavo is ABSOLUTELY The Jannetty. He's literally the guy who's universally remembered as "Eddie's Nephew". To the point where Kurt Angle had to mention Eddie just to try to put over Chavo. But he deliberately took on the character of "Eddie's nephew" as a heel to get under people's skin, and it successfully worked for him as a heel. When it's that deliberate, and successful with intentional crowd reactions, it doesn't make sense to make that a mark against the guy. You quoted me before arguing the same stance Chaz. I replied with pretty conclusive evidence. Would you mind acknowledging it if you're going to continue arguing the fact?
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Post by chazraps on Oct 4, 2015 9:51:58 GMT -5
But he deliberately took on the character of "Eddie's nephew" as a heel to get under people's skin, and it successfully worked for him as a heel. When it's that deliberate, and successful with intentional crowd reactions, it doesn't make sense to make that a mark against the guy. Except it's still making his name off the back of his uncle/tag team partner. That's literally his only characteristic, that he tag teamed with his uncle for a while. That's his only character tic, "Remember my uncle Eddie?" Regardless of whether you "took it on deliberately" or not, if you're entire career is based around the fact that you used to be in a tag team with someone....you might just be a Jannetty. Maybe post-TNA, but that's not the span of his entire career. Realistically speaking, Chavo had a solid, notable run pre-Los Guerreros. It was only after Eddie's death (and thus after Kerwin White, well after Los Guerreros broke up) that Chavo turned up the whole "FOOOOOOR EDDDDDDDDIE!" elements deliberately to get heat. Again, his TNA work was so aimlessly rooted in "he's here because he's not Eddie," but I'd put that more on TNA than him.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 4, 2015 10:01:11 GMT -5
Except it's still making his name off the back of his uncle/tag team partner. That's literally his only characteristic, that he tag teamed with his uncle for a while. That's his only character tic, "Remember my uncle Eddie?" Regardless of whether you "took it on deliberately" or not, if you're entire career is based around the fact that you used to be in a tag team with someone....you might just be a Jannetty. Maybe post-TNA, but that's not the span of his entire career. Realistically speaking, Chavo had a solid, notable run pre-Los Guerreros. It was only after Eddie's death (and thus after Kerwin White, well after Los Guerreros broke up) that Chavo turned up the whole "FOOOOOOR EDDDDDDDDIE!" elements deliberately to get heat. Again, his TNA work was so aimlessly rooted in "he's here because he's not Eddie," but I'd put that more on TNA than him. If we're seriously using Kerwin White as a point in Chavo's favor in terms of how well his "Post-Los Guerreros" career was doing.....I'm not sure I can take this conversation seriously. And his pre-Los Guerreros run topped out at Cruiserweight Champion, which was at best a 3rd string belt in both WWE and WCW at the time he held it. The apex of his career was teaming with Eddie, and everything after that calls back to his team with Eddie, minus Kerwin, which....the less said about that, the better.
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Post by schma on Oct 4, 2015 19:27:48 GMT -5
The cruiserweight belt in WCW was one of the highlights of the show. It was the most entertaining division at the time with several future world champs. Yes it was diminished in WWE because they didn't know what to do with it but for a time there was a strong WWE cruiserweight division and Chavo was part of it. Chavo also became ECW world champion. Yeah it didn't amount to much but at the time it was still an upper belt. Considering some of his perennial opponents and the longevity of his career I don't think you can really write him off as a poor man's eddie.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 20:13:28 GMT -5
Maybe post-TNA, but that's not the span of his entire career. Realistically speaking, Chavo had a solid, notable run pre-Los Guerreros. It was only after Eddie's death (and thus after Kerwin White, well after Los Guerreros broke up) that Chavo turned up the whole "FOOOOOOR EDDDDDDDDIE!" elements deliberately to get heat. Again, his TNA work was so aimlessly rooted in "he's here because he's not Eddie," but I'd put that more on TNA than him. If we're seriously using Kerwin White as a point in Chavo's favor in terms of how well his "Post-Los Guerreros" career was doing.....I'm not sure I can take this conversation seriously. And his pre-Los Guerreros run topped out at Cruiserweight Champion, which was at best a 3rd string belt in both WWE and WCW at the time he held it. The apex of his career was teaming with Eddie, and everything after that calls back to his team with Eddie, minus Kerwin, which....the less said about that, the better. Without Chavo, who else would Kurt have also wrestled?
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Post by Elvis on Oct 4, 2015 22:04:43 GMT -5
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Post by somsta on Oct 4, 2015 22:18:22 GMT -5
Leif Cassidy is the Janetty of the New Rockers Lief Cassidy went on to become one of the most over performers of the Attitude Era, and won multiple titles. Marty Jannetty went on to become a jobber in WCW, and then work the minor indies for 20 years and counting. Poor Marty is even the Jannetty of the New Rockers. He's also the Jannetty of the 123-Kid/Jannetty team. Poor Marty. When the Rockers broke up I hated Shawn and for years claimed Jannetty as my favorite wrestler, waiting and hoping for him to become the superstar I knew he was and outshine HBK. . Alas, he really was the Jannetty
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Post by Germansuplex on Oct 5, 2015 3:07:48 GMT -5
So, is Chavo the Jannetty...or is Jannetty the Chavo?
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 5, 2015 9:44:56 GMT -5
Not every team has a Janetty, you weirdos. The "Janetty" stigma comes from the HUGE discrepancy between Shawn and Marty's post-Rockers careers. You had one guy who became universally considered one of the greatest performers of all time, and the other guy who could never escape the shadow of the tag team itself. Two guys having successful singles run with one achieving more does not a "Janetty" make. Christian is not a Janetty. John Morrison is not a Janetty. Tito Santana is not a Janetty. Ron Simmons is not a Janetty. Even Chavo is not a Janetty. A "Janetty" is a Brian Dunkleman. Look at a team and think, is one of them really a Brian Dunkleman? The problem is that WWE pushes this narrative. When one partner is more successful than the other post-breakup, the Rocker situation is immediately brought up. Hell, it's their whole booking strategy. How many times have we seen WWE pull the "let's randomly break up a team, push the one who gets more over and release the other one" card.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Oct 5, 2015 9:49:03 GMT -5
This dubious "honour" should be called "The Anvil." There's a guy who did next to zilch after the tag team broke up.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 5, 2015 10:03:05 GMT -5
This dubious "honour" should be called "The Anvil." There's a guy who did next to zilch after the tag team broke up. Who?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 5, 2015 12:37:54 GMT -5
This dubious "honour" should be called "The Anvil." There's a guy who did next to zilch after the tag team broke up. Anvil sired Natalya and that's more important than any championship in the world.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Oct 5, 2015 12:48:09 GMT -5
This dubious "honour" should be called "The Anvil." There's a guy who did next to zilch after the tag team broke up. Except that because he was a Hart by marriage he always had at least some protection even after messing up.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 5, 2015 13:31:01 GMT -5
This dubious "honour" should be called "The Anvil." There's a guy who did next to zilch after the tag team broke up. Neidhart was always a tag team guy though, and never really had any potential to be a singles star. He achieved about as much as was expected of him. Marty should've been a upper-midcard mainstay for years to come. That waste of potential is what defines "The Jannetty" to me.
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Post by Dang! on Oct 5, 2015 16:51:23 GMT -5
Knock, knock! {Spoiler}{Who's there?}Chris Harris is the Janetty of AMW. Storm at least had a decent singles run in TNA when it was good. Harris actually seemed to be the breakout star, but failed terribly.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Oct 5, 2015 18:34:20 GMT -5
This dubious "honour" should be called "The Anvil." There's a guy who did next to zilch after the tag team broke up. Anvil did a lot following the break-up with Bret. Granted, most of it was crack but it was a hell of a lot of crack.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 5, 2015 18:53:04 GMT -5
This dubious "honour" should be called "The Anvil." There's a guy who did next to zilch after the tag team broke up. Anvil did a lot following the break-up with Bret. Granted, most of it was crack but it was a hell of a lot of crack. Seriously though, what DID Anvil do after the Foundation? He did the New Foundation, which sucked, Who, nothing else to say there, middling WCW mid-card run, least active member of the Hart Foundation stable, another middling WCW run....wow, that's sad.
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Post by somsta on Oct 5, 2015 19:06:09 GMT -5
Anvil did a lot following the break-up with Bret. Granted, most of it was crack but it was a hell of a lot of crack. Seriously though, what DID Anvil do after the Foundation? He did the New Foundation, which sucked, Who, nothing else to say there, middling WCW mid-card run, least active member of the Hart Foundation stable, another middling WCW run....wow, that's sad. Not disputing the truth of what you said, but heel Anvil in Owen's ear was awesome for a couple month in 1994. So there's that.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 5, 2015 19:09:20 GMT -5
Seriously though, what DID Anvil do after the Foundation? He did the New Foundation, which sucked, Who, nothing else to say there, middling WCW mid-card run, least active member of the Hart Foundation stable, another middling WCW run....wow, that's sad. Not disputing the truth of what you said, but heel Anvil in Owen's ear was awesome for a couple month in 1994. So there's that. Not gonna lie, legitimately forgot about that, so yeah, one big plus, but not enough to balance the scales.
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