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Post by Red Impact on Oct 7, 2015 23:48:00 GMT -5
Is it better to be a slimeball with great ideas or a good person who is completely incompetent?
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 7, 2015 23:49:42 GMT -5
Would Heymans bright idea towards improving sinking morale be to chew out the entire roster in front of a camera? Pretty much the exact opposite of what Dixie did. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmqlWF_q2BIWARNING: Language, obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 0:03:04 GMT -5
Is it better to be a slimeball with great ideas or a good person who is completely incompetent? After all the shady shit TNA's done, I have a hard time buying Dixie's a good person.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 8, 2015 0:36:54 GMT -5
Heyman was useless with money but even with the bounced cheques and whatnot he could motivate anyone.
Dixie couldn't motivate ferrets on crack.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 8, 2015 0:44:01 GMT -5
Dixie could get a timeslot on primetime in NBC, have John Cena and Austin returning to compete, celebrities that attend the show, real a listers and former presidents, hell she could get a time machine and have The Beatles play at half time, and she would still find a way to f*** everything up.
This is Dixie Carter we're talking about, a woman that ruined her promotion, a woman that doesn't know how to advertise live events despite having a degree in advertisement and before tna she ran her own company. She's just a trust fund moron that wants a reality show.
Bob should buy her a pony and just pull the plug on tna.
I can't believe people defend her and this company, when there's not a single redeeming quality about her.
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Post by Aya Reiko on Oct 8, 2015 3:27:24 GMT -5
Dumbass Dixie all the way.
Ask Dixie for a glass of water and she'll come back with a cheeseburger.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 16:12:35 GMT -5
Yes. Dixie Carter may in fact be the dumbest person in wrestling history.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 8, 2015 17:49:29 GMT -5
Dumbass Dixie all the way. Ask Dixie for a glass of water and she'll come back with a cheeseburger. Well that makes sense she like em black even if he did get killed months ago
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 8, 2015 17:53:55 GMT -5
Yes. Dixie Carter may in fact be the dumbest person in wrestling history. She makes Tracy Smothers and Herb Abrams look like geniuses.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Oct 8, 2015 21:22:58 GMT -5
No, Dixie insulting the station she's on happened by accident, Heyman did it deliberately at a time his company was bleeding money and desperately needed television exposure to survive. He also lied repeatedly to talent, promising money that he didn't have and that he was working on deals when he was off filming a movie, having his talent dashing their brains out for free. He also played the victim when talent he wasn't paying departed to work somewhere they would and the woe is me bullpoop persists to this day, oh if only WCW hadn't lured all his talent away by giving them money. Yes, yes, yes, yes, YES!! I absolutely HATE these kind of sob stories from both Heyman and ECW fans. The guy is in the same league of scumbags as Ian Rotten and Moolah, IMO.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Oct 8, 2015 22:57:14 GMT -5
No, Dixie insulting the station she's on happened by accident, Heyman did it deliberately at a time his company was bleeding money and desperately needed television exposure to survive. He also lied repeatedly to talent, promising money that he didn't have and that he was working on deals when he was off filming a movie, having his talent dashing their brains out for free. He also played the victim when talent he wasn't paying departed to work somewhere they would and the woe is me bullpoop persists to this day, oh if only WCW hadn't lured all his talent away by giving them money. Yes, yes, yes, yes, YES!! I absolutely HATE these kind of sob stories from both Heyman and ECW fans. The guy is in the same league of scumbags as Ian Rotten and Moolah, IMO. Get your hand off of it. Rotten paid an addict in drugs and showed up at the guys funeral before asking for gas money while Moolah pimped out trainees and got them hooked on drugs so that she could better control them. Heyman is just a hustler that is bad with money, he's not a criminal piece of shit like the other two.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 8, 2015 23:40:59 GMT -5
Yes, yes, yes, yes, YES!! I absolutely HATE these kind of sob stories from both Heyman and ECW fans. The guy is in the same league of scumbags as Ian Rotten and Moolah, IMO. Get your hand off of it. Rotten paid an addict in drugs and showed up at the guys funeral before asking for gas money while Moolah pimped out trainees and got them hooked on drugs so that she could better control them. Heyman is just a hustler that is bad with money, he's not a criminal piece of shit like the other two. Heyman did shady stuff but there's a special place in hell for Ian and Moolah.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 9, 2015 7:54:00 GMT -5
Yes, yes, yes, yes, YES!! I absolutely HATE these kind of sob stories from both Heyman and ECW fans. The guy is in the same league of scumbags as Ian Rotten and Moolah, IMO. Get your hand off of it. Rotten paid an addict in drugs and showed up at the guys funeral before asking for gas money while Moolah pimped out trainees and got them hooked on drugs so that she could better control them. Heyman is just a hustler that is bad with money, he's not a criminal piece of shit like the other two. He hired talent that couldn't really work and got them over legitimately hurting oneanother with weapon shots and ran a lockerroom so rife with drug use that made that of the WWF circa 1995-6 seem like a convent. While comparing him to Moolah and Rotten is a bit extreme, he was shady as hell and that gets overlooked because creative genius, E-C-Dub yadda yadda yadda.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 9, 2015 8:43:47 GMT -5
Get your hand off of it. Rotten paid an addict in drugs and showed up at the guys funeral before asking for gas money while Moolah pimped out trainees and got them hooked on drugs so that she could better control them. Heyman is just a hustler that is bad with money, he's not a criminal piece of shit like the other two. He hired talent that couldn't really work and got them over legitimately hurting oneanother with weapon shots and ran a lockerroom so rife with drug use that made that of the WWF circa 1995-6 seem like a convent. While comparing him to Moolah and Rotten is a bit extreme, he was shady as hell and that gets overlooked because creative genius, E-C-Dub yadda yadda yadda. "Talent that couldn't really work" Eddie Guerrero Taz Chris Jericho Dean Malenko Rob Van Dam Jerry Lynn Shane Douglas Chris Candido Bam Bam Bigelow Raven Terry Funk 2 Cold Scorpio The Eliminators(Perry Saturn and John Kronus) Stevie Richards Cactus Jack And that's just off the top of my head. Yes, there were guys who were more exclusively hardcore, but those guys were MUCH fewer and farther between than you're giving Paul credit for. Yes, he did some scummy stuff, but in the pantheon of shitball promoters, he's not even a patch on the worst of them. Pretending it was all fat idiots hitting each other with random crap is really, REALLY old. It's 2015, pull your head out.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 9, 2015 9:42:24 GMT -5
He hired talent that couldn't really work and got them over legitimately hurting oneanother with weapon shots and ran a lockerroom so rife with drug use that made that of the WWF circa 1995-6 seem like a convent. While comparing him to Moolah and Rotten is a bit extreme, he was shady as hell and that gets overlooked because creative genius, E-C-Dub yadda yadda yadda. "Talent that couldn't really work" Eddie Guerrero Taz Chris Jericho Dean Malenko Rob Van Dam Jerry Lynn Shane Douglas Chris Candido Bam Bam Bigelow Raven Terry Funk 2 Cold Scorpio The Eliminators(Perry Saturn and John Kronus) Stevie Richards Cactus Jack And that's just off the top of my head. Yes, there were guys who were more exclusively hardcore, but those guys were MUCH fewer and farther between than you're giving Paul credit for. Yes, he did some scummy stuff, but in the pantheon of shitball promoters, he's not even a patch on the worst of them. Pretending it was all fat idiots hitting each other with random crap is really, REALLY old. It's 2015, pull your head out. Many of those names were there for one year or less and left at the first opportunity they could and definitely weren't used as a selling point for ECW the way that hardcore was. That barb wire covered logo sure says 'stellar ring work is the priority here', don't it? Even then, I did not say -all- ECW talent were fat guys waffling oneanother with chairs or dumping them through tables, the problem is the guys who actively hurt oneanother with chairs were there for the long run, and yes, I lump RVD in with them because a great deal of his big spots involved kicking something hard into someone's face. Amazing athlete, but decades into his career he was still knocking people's teeth out. Paul Heyman had people injuring themselves for no pay, knowing there was no hope of them ever getting paid and played the victim when people went to a place where the cheques could actually be cashed, like the Mike Awesome situation.
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Post by ICBM on Oct 9, 2015 10:57:20 GMT -5
I don't really see how its fair to compare either of their bodies of work. Heyman grew up with wrestling and learned to be an adult in wrestling. Dixie Carter bought a wrestling company and tried to run it despite the best advice of Jerry Jarret, Jeff Jarret, Jim Cornette, Dutch Mantel, Hulk ?/&ing Hogan and Eric Bischoff. Say what you want about the last two but if you say they never made wrestling companies any money, than you are plain wrong. By every account I've ever read (never met her never worked for her), she is actually as sweet as advertised but as foolish and wrestling know how inept as any money mark.
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Post by ICBM on Oct 9, 2015 10:59:39 GMT -5
Forgot to bury and praise Heyman. Genius, master motivator, scout of hidden talent w/o peer. But had no business holding a checkbook. As much as he ran down WCW, at least they had a business structure and people got paid (maybe too much, but I doubt any of the boys complained)
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Oct 9, 2015 11:04:44 GMT -5
Is it better to be a slimeball with great ideas or a good person who is completely incompetent? Judging what she did with Jessie Sorensen, Nikki Roxx and Daffney alone, she is not a good person.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 9, 2015 12:51:20 GMT -5
Forgot to bury and praise Heyman. Genius, master motivator, scout of hidden talent w/o peer. But had no business holding a checkbook. As much as he ran down WCW, at least they had a business structure and people got paid (maybe too much, but I doubt any of the boys complained) Bubba Ray Dudley had the best quote about Heyman, it went something like this, that failure and stupidity killed ECW. Heyman was a genius that could create a great storyline in seconds, but as a businessman he was the shits, he couldn't manage a check book He also gave an example that Heyman would rather send tapes via express on a plane that the obvious and cheapest option, just mailing them using the postal service. If I'm not mistaken Todd Gordon on the Heyman DVD said something to the effect that they were gonna air ECW on a Florida station, but Heyman f***ed it up and lied to Todd, that's why he sold ECW to him, he got flustered and knew that he couldn't be partners with someone like that. Another sad story was the way he f***ed Dreamer. On the stone cold podcast, Tommy said that WCW wanted to work with ECW but Heyman wouldn't allow it because Vince would go crazy, that's when he suspected that Heyman was in bed with Vince. Another time Tommy found a buyer for ECW, the guy was gonna pay several millions of dollars, when it was time for them to have the meeting and sell it, Heyman didn't even bothered to show up. Paul was a corrupt businessman, a con artist, a liar, possibly a thief also. When he was a writer on the creative team he also did shady shit, he buried Court Bauer, also Stephanie on the Heyman DVD said that Paul would turn the developmental talent agains them. Maybe he ruined Punk's and the WWE's relationship, that I don't know. But unlike Dixie, he revolutionized the wrestling business. Dixie is also shady but a failure both creatively and in business.
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Post by Johnny D on Oct 9, 2015 15:09:20 GMT -5
Don't understand the 'is' or '?' parts of the thread title, sorry.
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