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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 10, 2015 11:24:35 GMT -5
A man with a featured spot on a nationally televised wrestling program qualified for food stamps. How on EARTH can you just write that off? One performer on a roster of about fifty performers. He did not stand out. Had he popped the folks and moved up the card, his check would have gotten bigger. That is how it works. The opposite of this is communism. Well, I can tell you this, we've never heard about any of the lower-card guys in WWE/NXT going on food stamps to make ends meet. I'm betting there's a reason for that. Because WWE actually pays their employees commensurate with their jobs.
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Post by ICBM on Oct 10, 2015 11:30:41 GMT -5
You simply cannot compare a WWE run tv show to a TNA run tv show. WWE has the money and production ability to run and make payroll indefinitely because of literally dozens and dozens of revenue streams.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 10, 2015 11:32:20 GMT -5
You simply cannot compare a WWE run tv show to a TNA run tv show. WWE has the money and production ability to run and make payroll indefinitely because of literally dozens and dozens of revenue streams. And TNA had who knows how many millions to throw into the Hogan/Bischoff boondoggle that could have gone to actually making sure the talent didn't have to go on welfare or take second jobs.
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Post by ICBM on Oct 10, 2015 11:34:29 GMT -5
You simply cannot compare a WWE run tv show to a TNA run tv show. WWE has the money and production ability to run and make payroll indefinitely because of literally dozens and dozens of revenue streams. And TNA had who knows how many millions to throw into the Hogan/Bischoff boondoggle that could have gone to actually making sure the talent didn't have to go on welfare or take second jobs. I've already conceded the Hogan/Bischoff deal. But unless I have a foggy memory the Jesse Neal rumors occurred before the fiscal burden of Hogan's rumored $42k per appearance
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 10, 2015 11:38:24 GMT -5
And TNA had who knows how many millions to throw into the Hogan/Bischoff boondoggle that could have gone to actually making sure the talent didn't have to go on welfare or take second jobs. I've already conceded the Hogan/Bischoff deal. But unless I have a foggy memory the Jesse Neal rumors occurred before the fiscal burden of Hogan's rumored $42k per appearance Nope, all the research I'm doing dates the tweets from 2011, well into Hogan's tenure not only happening, but being an abject failure.
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Post by ICBM on Oct 10, 2015 11:46:25 GMT -5
^ah, thanks. My head was foggy with TNA wrestlecrap and it was unclear. Still, the dude did not rate a big check. If you'd like we trade barbs about other folks who shouldn't be on food stamps but are anyway. Won't change it. I don't know what he was paid anymore than you do. We are both at the mercy of one side of the story and that side is being told by the person who values his self more than the company he worked for
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Post by ICBM on Oct 10, 2015 11:47:33 GMT -5
That last line didn't come out right. TNA didn't value have m as much as he valued himself.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 10, 2015 11:54:47 GMT -5
^ah, thanks. My head was foggy with TNA wrestlecrap and it was unclear. Still, the dude did not rate a big check. If you'd like we trade barbs about other folks who shouldn't be on food stamps but are anyway. Won't change it. I don't know what he was paid anymore than you do. We are both at the mercy of one side of the story and that side is being told by the person who values his self more than the company he worked for "He didn't rate a big check", fine. Still, he rated a f***ing living wage, which, given that he qualified for food stamps, TNA clearly wasn't giving him. That seems to be the part you're unclear on. If you're on tv every week for the ostensible number 2 company in your field, there is NO WAY you should be living on government assistance.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 10, 2015 12:26:58 GMT -5
TNA didn't even pay their production people at one point.
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Post by 67 more on Oct 10, 2015 12:32:54 GMT -5
A man with a featured spot on a nationally televised wrestling program qualified for food stamps. How on EARTH can you just write that off? One performer on a roster of about fifty performers. He did not stand out. Had he popped the folks and moved up the card, his check would have gotten bigger. That is how it works. The opposite of this is communism. Being able to afford food is communism?
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Post by ICBM on Oct 10, 2015 13:18:05 GMT -5
One performer on a roster of about fifty performers. He did not stand out. Had he popped the folks and moved up the card, his check would have gotten bigger. That is how it works. The opposite of this is communism. Being able to afford food is communism? No. But pay Ng everyone the same regardless of what they bring in to the company is.
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Post by 67 more on Oct 10, 2015 13:19:06 GMT -5
Being able to afford food is communism? No. But pay Ng everyone the same regardless of what they bring in to the company is. But he wasn't saying that Jesse Neal should be on a main eventer's wage, he's just saying he should be able to afford to f***ing eat.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 10, 2015 13:43:37 GMT -5
Paul Heyman is a genius, and I'm not even talking about ECW. After ECW closed, he went right to WWE, he controlled the narrative on himself so to speak; he didn't let the WWE turn ECW's memory into WCW, and was STILL able to be enough of an iconoclast, that when ECW's corpse was raped by WWE, he was able to stay enough away from the stink of it to still have some cred.
I lived in Philly at the time, and I saw the commercials and the shows, and ECW absolutely marketed violence more than they wrestling. They narrative that they were this company that featured top notch wrestling with a little bit of violence is something that Paul Heyman has done a good job of retroly creating an image. It was very much a product of it's times, something I don't really feel comfortable watching today(especially the violence toward women), and probably get's idealized way more than it should be..
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Post by ICBM on Oct 10, 2015 13:43:54 GMT -5
Go back and read th context of my use of the communist analogy. Either way, I'm done with this one. We're not going to converse nice each other of anything. Peace be upon you. I'm gonna watch football
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 10, 2015 13:45:52 GMT -5
Sheesh this got out of control quickly. Okay since I started the thread to throw my two cents on the Jesse Neal situation, in no way should a man need public assistance when he's working for the number two company. Yes, not everybody is valued the same but he shouldn't be scrapping his ass on the ground. WWE pays their developmental guys enough living wages to get by. If you are paying Joe number 3000 on list of developmental more than a guy who has been featured on TV than that's a problem.
Randy Orton and Cena and a few other lucky guys make a few million a year. Compare that probably a hundred bottom guys in developmental who probably makes 40,000-50,000 a year. This is a part of the business and a crucial part at that in managing money. TNA in 2012 shouldn't have guys or a guy in this case starving like he was still on the road in the 80s.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 10, 2015 13:48:46 GMT -5
TNA to Jesse Neal: You'll get nothing and like it!
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Oct 10, 2015 18:52:39 GMT -5
Sheesh this got out of control quickly. Okay since I started the thread to throw my two cents on the Jesse Neal situation, in no way should a man need public assistance when he's working for the number two company. Yes, not everybody is valued the same but he shouldn't be scrapping his ass on the ground. WWE pays their developmental guys enough living wages to get by. If you are paying Joe number 3000 on list of developmental more than a guy who has been featured on TV than that's a problem. Randy Orton and Cena and a few other lucky guys make a few million a year. Compare that probably a hundred bottom guys in developmental who probably makes 40,000-50,000 a year. This is a part of the business and a crucial part at that in managing money. TNA in 2012 shouldn't have guys or a guy in this case starving like he was still on the road in the 80s. Oh no, that wasn't in 2012. That was in 2011 while they still were a clear number 2.
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Post by Juice on Oct 10, 2015 20:22:18 GMT -5
Just thinking about what Paul E could have done with that money and resources is mind boggling.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 23:03:49 GMT -5
Are we still arguing of the whole Paul Heyman not telling anyone in accepting WWE's job as a commentator?
Also is there even such a thing as a big name famous wrestling promoter who hasn't done some truly awful scummy business? Like Heyman no doubt has done some truly awful things but so has Vince McMahon, Eric Bischoff, Jeff Jarrett, Jerry Jarrett, Vince McMahon Sr, Bill Watts, Jim Cornette, Jerry Lawler, Verne Gagne, Jim Crockette, Fabulous Moohlah, Eddie Graham, Dusty Rhodes, etc. Hell im sure Triple H will or has done scummy things already running NXT like overlooking Bill DeMotts abuse when he has cameras all over the place so he can watch the performance center at all times in his office.
My point is Dixie Carter is one of the worst of the worst in terms of general villainy and in terms of competence.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 10, 2015 23:33:54 GMT -5
Just thinking about what Paul E could have done with that money and resources is mind boggling. If he was running the business side of things, still he would've f***ed it up. He's the worst business man of all time. He didn't knew how to spend the money.
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