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Post by toodarkmark on Nov 3, 2015 11:12:49 GMT -5
This was the end for me. The time I was angriest was seeing Val Venis pin Christopher Daniels. Hogan just told the fans "Everything you cared about? Forget it. I am putting my guys over, and this is all about me." The WORST decision Dixie ever made, other than hiring and never firing Vince Russo. I cared so much about TNA, from 2005 on. I watched every week, every PPV. Daniels, Styles, Joe, Storm, they meant something to me. Yeah I liked ROH and PWG, but TNA I could watch every week. And here Hogan just came in and said "f*** you." And continued to say it for the 4 years he ran it into the ground.
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Post by Rave on Nov 4, 2015 2:57:34 GMT -5
Two more things for the thread that I'm surprised haven't been brought up yet.
One, the angle with Gunner and Shaw where Gunner wanted Shaw released from the sanitarium and thought he was fully qualified to handle him because he'd spent time with a friend who had PTSD and the friend "got better". Gunner apparently believing that all mental issues are the same upset me to the point that I was actually demanding that whoever came up with it be fired and that TNA issue an apology for even involving PTSD in an angle in the first place.
Second, that short time during Orlando Jordan's run where he was a polyamorous bisexual yet still portrayed as a depraved sex fiend chasing after/molesting pretty much anyone that moved despite also being portrayed as being in a relationship. I've ranted about that on here before. I don't know if it was just TNA halfassing for shock value (which they've done before) but it really came off badly.
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Post by Halloween on Nov 4, 2015 4:09:09 GMT -5
Two more things for the thread that I'm surprised haven't been brought up yet. One, the angle with Gunner and Shaw where Gunner wanted Shaw released from the sanitarium and thought he was fully qualified to handle him because he'd spent time with a friend who had PTSD and the friend "got better". Gunner apparently believing that all mental issues are the same upset me to the point that I was actually demanding that whoever came up with it be fired and that TNA issue an apology for even involving PTSD in an angle in the first place. Second, that short time during Orlando Jordan's run where he was a polyamorous bisexual yet still portrayed as a depraved sex fiend chasing after/molesting pretty much anyone that moved despite also being portrayed as being in a relationship. I've ranted about that on here before. I don't know if it was just TNA halfassing for shock value (which they've done before) but it really came off badly. For me (Admittedly someone who has never suffered from a major mental health issue) the first one was just poor writing. I don't think using PTSD in a story line is bad or offensive but at least do it right. It made Gunner look stupid and I believe Shaw eventually turned heel on Gunner as well making Gunner look even more stupid. I'd like to see more wrestlers with mental health problems (kayfabe problems, not real) come into wrestling though. I've always thought that Sam Shaw could have pulled off a narcissistic psychopath gimmick. Charismatic and charming until someone challenges the perfect life he has in his head and he flips out. You'd have a woman stuck in the middle (Christy Hemme) who knows he's bad for her but just can't resist. Meanwhile you have a baby face trying to fix things and get Christy away from Shaw as Shaw himself plays it cool and tries to convince everyone around him that the face "had it coming" and gives a believable reason why. Instead, mental health sufferers in wrestling are always either psychopathic monster heels or guys who want to savagely beat their opponent no matter what. I would LOVE to see a deeper mental health story line on National TV.
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Post by KevFalcön07 on Nov 4, 2015 4:25:32 GMT -5
I have never watched TNA but this is how I imagine the response would look like for anyone that has...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 4:28:18 GMT -5
Mine is so lame compared to you guys.
Turning AJ Styles, the best white meat babyface in wrestling, into a brooding leather jacket wearing heel. I thought it was a terrible idea when they needed him badly to be the old AJ. He was never the same guy again. I was totally wrong about this mind you, as it lead to his amazing post TNA persona but at the time it made me furious.
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Post by Rave on Nov 4, 2015 4:32:31 GMT -5
Two more things for the thread that I'm surprised haven't been brought up yet. One, the angle with Gunner and Shaw where Gunner wanted Shaw released from the sanitarium and thought he was fully qualified to handle him because he'd spent time with a friend who had PTSD and the friend "got better". Gunner apparently believing that all mental issues are the same upset me to the point that I was actually demanding that whoever came up with it be fired and that TNA issue an apology for even involving PTSD in an angle in the first place. Second, that short time during Orlando Jordan's run where he was a polyamorous bisexual yet still portrayed as a depraved sex fiend chasing after/molesting pretty much anyone that moved despite also being portrayed as being in a relationship. I've ranted about that on here before. I don't know if it was just TNA halfassing for shock value (which they've done before) but it really came off badly. For me (Admittedly someone who has never suffered from a major mental health issue) the first one was just poor writing. I don't think using PTSD in a story line is bad or offensive but at least do it right. It made Gunner look stupid and I believe Shaw eventually turned heel on Gunner as well making Gunner look even more stupid. I'd like to see more wrestlers with mental health problems (kayfabe problems, not real) come into wrestling though. I've always thought that Sam Shaw could have pulled off a narcissistic psychopath gimmick. Charismatic and charming until someone challenges the perfect life he has in his head and he flips out. You'd have a woman stuck in the middle (Christy Hemme) who knows he's bad for her but just can't resist. Meanwhile you have a baby face trying to fix things and get Christy away from Shaw as Shaw himself plays it cool and tries to convince everyone around him that the face "had it coming" and gives a believable reason why. Instead, mental health sufferers in wrestling are always either psychopathic monster heels or guys who want to savagely beat their opponent no matter what. I would LOVE to see a deeper mental health story line on National TV. Actually looked like they were going in that direction with Shaw and Christy at first, before they shoehorned in Anderson and turned Shaw into an Oedipal manchild, creating plotholes along the way. After they made such a mess of it, I don't think I'd trust any promotion to handle that kind of subject with anything resembling tact. Mine is so lame compared to you guys. Turning AJ Styles, the best white meat babyface in wrestling, into a brooding leather jacket wearing heel. I thought it was a terrible idea when they needed him badly to be the old AJ. He was never the same guy again. I was totally wrong about this mind you, as it lead to his amazing post TNA persona but at the time it made me furious. I actually liked brooding leather jacket wearing heel AJ, but my quibble with the whole thing was turning him face again with little to no buildup because Angle screwed up yet again. Considering the buildup that went into the turn in the first place, they should've had a little care instead of just throwing him in there.
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Post by Halloween on Nov 4, 2015 4:47:36 GMT -5
I think with Shaw/Christy they went for the "drama" too quickly. I think the best way to write it would have been to have had Shaw and Christy date every week on Impact and have Christy fall head over heels in love with Shaw. You could have Shaw talk about all his achievements and how talented he is and Christy would completely fall for it and be frustratingly in love with him.
Instead of throwing Anderson in I think you have a kayfabe friend of Christy come to the ring and reveal that he did some digging and found out Shaw wasn't everything he said he was. Shaw kind of plays it cool before beating the hell out of the guy and they eventually have a match.
You could get 6 months out of the story line and Christy finally breaking free of Shaw and slapping him would result in a huge story line finishing up which makes Shaw look like a million dollars.
But in classic TNA fashion we had a compelling character for two or three weeks before Christy labelled him creepy and TNA did their absolute best to bury the guy. From Anderson finding out Shaw lives with his mother at age 30 (Despite Shaw having a nice apartment in the city) to Shaw looking like a fool and falling for Christy's lie when she said she wanted him. To top the burial off we had Anderson toss Shaw into an ambulance sending him to a mental hospital where Shaw eventually turned face and one of TNA's biggest potential characters was made to be "just another guy".
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Post by Heartbreaker on Nov 4, 2015 4:49:12 GMT -5
How the amazing women's division turned into a massive joke. From 2007 to 2009, there were so many talented women on the roster and there were great matches. It was pretty much NXT's division before there even was one. Fast forward to the beginning of 2010 when Hogan and Bischoff take over. Kong got fired for punching out that ****face Bubba The Love Sponge and The Beautiful People become the centerpiece of the division with all of them feuding with each other. The Beautiful People were supposed to be parodies of typical mean girls and the WWE Divas but the parody became the real thing. Hell, they even had a goddamn bra and panties match. Meanwhile the others like Hamada, Sarita, Taylor Wilde and ODB are doing jack shit, they all end up leaving the company later in the year. Daffney feuds with Knockouts Champion Tara which sounds pretty damn cool, right? Well, they were planned to have a First Blood match on PPV which gets moved to Impact. Daffney loses so they can have a ****ing stupid box thing with the Knockouts that ends up with Angelina Love winning the championship BY PULLING IT OUT OF A BOX. With the box Daffney picks, she's forced to perform a strip tease... then months later she gets serious injuries which end up making her never wrestle again. This is the very same company that promoted their division as "WE'RE NOT DIVAS!". Given how back then the WWE's women's division was awful (there was no NXT and not that much good workers besides a very few), the wrestling community was happy with how seriously TNA treated women's wrestling. On top of this, paying the women and men peanuts but then paying some no named Z-list celebrity well for one appearance.
I stopped watching TNA in 2010 after Hogan and Bischoff basically killed the company. I could write paragraphs of what made me angry.
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 4, 2015 7:29:56 GMT -5
I didn't really get angry, I just drifted away when it became clear they were never going to fulfil their potential. Mostly due to the focus moving away from Joe, AJ and Daniels. The stupid things were just TNA being TNA, I didn't expect anything different.
So I guess it was during the times I dropped back in, the Hogan debut show was particularly awful as I watched the PPV before it and thought I was good enough to start watching again.
However I suppose the angriest would be seeing Flair calling AJ Styles "the future" when he was the f***ing present when I watched. He'd held all the titles multiple times! He was a large part of what drew me to TNA in the first place (his cage match with Abyss). He doesn't need the endorsement of a stupid old drunk.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 4, 2015 9:19:39 GMT -5
I didn't really get angry, I just drifted away when it became clear they were never going to fulfil their potential. Mostly due to the focus moving away from Joe, AJ and Daniels. The stupid things were just TNA being TNA, I didn't expect anything different. So I guess it was during the times I dropped back in, the Hogan debut show was particularly awful as I watched the PPV before it and thought I was good enough to start watching again. However I suppose the angriest would be seeing Flair calling AJ Styles "the future" when he was the f***ing present when I watched. He'd held all the titles multiple times! He was a large part of what drew me to TNA in the first place (his cage match with Abyss). He doesn't need the endorsement of a stupid old drunk. I hated it because at the point AJ had his own identity stablished and they turned him into a Flair clone. It would've been a thousand times better if Flair managed him, but AJ kept his persona and mannerism, and also never changing his wardrobe.
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Post by chrom on Nov 4, 2015 10:55:28 GMT -5
I didn't really get angry, I just drifted away when it became clear they were never going to fulfil their potential. Mostly due to the focus moving away from Joe, AJ and Daniels. The stupid things were just TNA being TNA, I didn't expect anything different. So I guess it was during the times I dropped back in, the Hogan debut show was particularly awful as I watched the PPV before it and thought I was good enough to start watching again. However I suppose the angriest would be seeing Flair calling AJ Styles "the future" when he was the f***ing present when I watched. He'd held all the titles multiple times! He was a large part of what drew me to TNA in the first place (his cage match with Abyss). He doesn't need the endorsement of a stupid old drunk. Even in 2013 before he left they were still claiming he was a young up and comer with potential.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 4, 2015 11:03:18 GMT -5
I didn't really get angry, I just drifted away when it became clear they were never going to fulfil their potential. Mostly due to the focus moving away from Joe, AJ and Daniels. The stupid things were just TNA being TNA, I didn't expect anything different. So I guess it was during the times I dropped back in, the Hogan debut show was particularly awful as I watched the PPV before it and thought I was good enough to start watching again. However I suppose the angriest would be seeing Flair calling AJ Styles "the future" when he was the f***ing present when I watched. He'd held all the titles multiple times! He was a large part of what drew me to TNA in the first place (his cage match with Abyss). He doesn't need the endorsement of a stupid old drunk. Even in 2013 before he left they were still claiming he was a young up and comer with potential. Yeah Dixie claimed that he was reaching his full potential then later he was offered a Hall of Fame induction...that was quick
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Post by chrom on Nov 4, 2015 11:12:08 GMT -5
Even in 2013 before he left they were still claiming he was a young up and comer with potential. Yeah Dixie claimed that he was reaching his full potential then later he was offered a Hall of Fame induction...that was quick Yeah, eleven years after being there and having done everything twice over he's finally coming into his own. Of course knowing TNA they would've have demanded in the match they wanted him to do for it that he put over Bram or another one of Ditzy's beloved WWEjects.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 4, 2015 11:47:25 GMT -5
I didn't really get angry, I just drifted away when it became clear they were never going to fulfil their potential. Mostly due to the focus moving away from Joe, AJ and Daniels. The stupid things were just TNA being TNA, I didn't expect anything different. So I guess it was during the times I dropped back in, the Hogan debut show was particularly awful as I watched the PPV before it and thought I was good enough to start watching again. However I suppose the angriest would be seeing Flair calling AJ Styles "the future" when he was the f***ing present when I watched. He'd held all the titles multiple times! He was a large part of what drew me to TNA in the first place (his cage match with Abyss). He doesn't need the endorsement of a stupid old drunk. it was worse than you said because at the time... AJ was the current TNA Champion and in the middle of one of the longest runs in company history. I hated it because at the point AJ had his own identity stablished and they turned him into a Flair clone. It would've been a thousand times better if Flair managed him, but AJ kept his persona and mannerism, and also never changing his wardrobe. Yeah, this was the way to go with AJ/Flair or if they gave Flair to a midcarder they wanted to push up to the main event it could work with them taking at least some Flair mannerisms...not go for a full on clone but blend the character they had with a few flourishes (since no one but Flair could be Flair)
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 4, 2015 13:25:59 GMT -5
"So AJ and Sting are both leaving pretty soon? Well let's have them destroy our world champion on the way out to really let them know how much we appreciate them" - Dixie Carter
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 4, 2015 13:52:25 GMT -5
I didn't really get angry, I just drifted away when it became clear they were never going to fulfil their potential. Mostly due to the focus moving away from Joe, AJ and Daniels. The stupid things were just TNA being TNA, I didn't expect anything different. So I guess it was during the times I dropped back in, the Hogan debut show was particularly awful as I watched the PPV before it and thought I was good enough to start watching again. However I suppose the angriest would be seeing Flair calling AJ Styles "the future" when he was the f***ing present when I watched. He'd held all the titles multiple times! He was a large part of what drew me to TNA in the first place (his cage match with Abyss). He doesn't need the endorsement of a stupid old drunk. it was worse than you said because at the time... AJ was the current TNA Champion and in the middle of one of the longest runs in company history. I hated it because at the point AJ had his own identity stablished and they turned him into a Flair clone. It would've been a thousand times better if Flair managed him, but AJ kept his persona and mannerism, and also never changing his wardrobe. Yeah, this was the way to go with AJ/Flair or if they gave Flair to a midcarder they wanted to push up to the main event it could work with them taking at least some Flair mannerisms...not go for a full on clone but blend the character they had with a few flourishes (since no one but Flair could be Flair) Absolutely, when Flair managed Triple H, he was still Triple H, not a clone, it just added to his persona having Flair, but it wasn't the main thing.
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Post by Halloween on Nov 4, 2015 17:46:48 GMT -5
I didn't really get angry, I just drifted away when it became clear they were never going to fulfil their potential. Mostly due to the focus moving away from Joe, AJ and Daniels. The stupid things were just TNA being TNA, I didn't expect anything different. So I guess it was during the times I dropped back in, the Hogan debut show was particularly awful as I watched the PPV before it and thought I was good enough to start watching again. However I suppose the angriest would be seeing Flair calling AJ Styles "the future" when he was the f***ing present when I watched. He'd held all the titles multiple times! He was a large part of what drew me to TNA in the first place (his cage match with Abyss). He doesn't need the endorsement of a stupid old drunk. I hated it because at the point AJ had his own identity stablished and they turned him into a Flair clone. It would've been a thousand times better if Flair managed him, but AJ kept his persona and mannerism, and also never changing his wardrobe. I have always thought that Ric Flair should have been the guy going up against AJ with Hogan siding with (Not managing) AJ. The endorsement from Hogan of "AJ Styles is an amazing athlete" whilst Ric Flair scouts the TNA roster to find a guy who can go with AJ would have been an interesting story. AJ becoming a Flair clone basically says "You are bad and your personality is bad therefore you're going to be exactly like a legend from the 80's". It really hurt AJ from the fans perspective and I know he himself didn't like it either.
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Post by Copely on Nov 5, 2015 2:09:33 GMT -5
I was with TNA 100% until they made Styles Christian's dumb sidekick. Not because I don't think that has a role in wrestling (it can be done, and done well), but specifically the way they did it with Styles. I remember one match where it was a multi-man match, and AJ is crawling across the ring, I think trying to get Christian's help from the outside, and "accidentally" pins a wrestler, winning the match. To me, they changed the entirety of a character from a world beater, to a guy dumb enough to not understand the rules of a match.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 5, 2015 2:16:55 GMT -5
I was with TNA 100% until they made Styles Christian's dumb sidekick. Not because I don't think that has a role in wrestling (it can be done, and done well), but specifically the way they did it with Styles. I remember one match where it was a multi-man match, and AJ is crawling across the ring, I think trying to get Christian's help from the outside, and "accidentally" pins a wrestler, winning the match. To me, they changed the entirety of a character from a world beater, to a guy dumb enough to not understand the rules of a match. Ironically enough AJ has said that he loved being Christian's sidekick. He claims that he learned how to cut promos and improve on his facial expressions when he was with Christian.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 7, 2015 8:04:54 GMT -5
Two more things for the thread that I'm surprised haven't been brought up yet. One, the angle with Gunner and Shaw where Gunner wanted Shaw released from the sanitarium and thought he was fully qualified to handle him because he'd spent time with a friend who had PTSD and the friend "got better". Gunner apparently believing that all mental issues are the same upset me to the point that I was actually demanding that whoever came up with it be fired and that TNA issue an apology for even involving PTSD in an angle in the first place. Second, that short time during Orlando Jordan's run where he was a polyamorous bisexual yet still portrayed as a depraved sex fiend chasing after/molesting pretty much anyone that moved despite also being portrayed as being in a relationship. I've ranted about that on here before. I don't know if it was just TNA halfassing for shock value (which they've done before) but it really came off badly. The thing with Jordan's character though, is that it supposedly wasn't created by TNA, rather something Orlando himself had wanted to do for a while, so they unleashed him to do what he wanted. Not denying it wasn't offensive, but it was supposedly all on Orlando. Hell, he'd apparently tried to do it a few times in WWE, but they turned him down. I remember thinking "Man, they could have had potential with that, having an openly bi-character, push him and be inclusive." Then he turns up in TNA in that character in a weird mask, squirting white stuff on himself.
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