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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 13:12:05 GMT -5
Very cool. It's not like the Universal Title feud has more heat, so it makes sense, and I'm glad to get these firsts out of the way so that soon it won't be a big deal. Hopefully we're getting multiple women's main events in 2017 (if warranted).
None of the feuds for this PPV really feel like they need a HIAC match, but since they're set on having them, this makes the most sense to me.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 18, 2016 13:22:15 GMT -5
Yeah it is weird, these two have a feud worthy of this match in storyline but instead of letting that be the story, they've dropped that to focus on screaming "first". While I'm sure it will be a great match, I do think focusing more on "first" than their battles through NXT to WWE and everything since then has hurt the match some. In this instance, I'm totally fine with them screaming "first" because at least the match is happening. The feud, I will concede hasn't been that great. The Smackdown women are being handled better without coming off as "look at us, we've finally caught up with most of modern society!" I'll admit that. But again, the match is still happening. WWE is always going to pat itself on the back, it's just what they do. I'm just happy we're long past the Bra and Panties days. They could say first and still have a great feud though, that is the problem I have. They took a well built feud that could have been highlighted by this and instead turned it into a press release ignoring years of build. Yeah it is great it is happening but it has lost most of if not all meaning and I am not a fan of that. Rushing to scream first rarely works out. There was a push to do Nikki and Charlotte in the Cell last year but they held off because it needed to mean something and not just be a "Look, they're equal now" match and they achieved that this year until they actually booked the match. WWE has long rushed "firsts" for women that were good to great matches and moments that meant nothing in the long run and the way they are doing this makes me fear another. Don't get me wrong, they'll deliver and I'm sure I'll enjoy it but I don't know that say HIAC 2017 we'll be saying it meant anything.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 18, 2016 13:25:34 GMT -5
While I do think it's cool how they're letting Charlotte vs. Sasha main event and be in HIAC, I can't help but worry that, due to the increased pressure to "prove themselves", Sasha or Charlotte is going to do something recklessly dangerous to get people talking.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 18, 2016 13:36:52 GMT -5
It annoys me that the WWE is bragging about breaking down their own barriers. Do they want us to believe that the women of the past decade weren't good enough to main event PPVs? There were good wrestlers and there were good talkers. It wasn't the women. It was the company. They placed that barrier. And I do not want to hear anything about women in sports only taking off just now. Ronda Rousey was drawing and main eventing for years before this "revolution" took place. And the worst part about it? WWE controls their own finishes! They could build someone up to be a star like Ronda but have not done so because it hasn't been worth the effort. I am glad these women are getting the spotlight. They deserve it. The WWE should get no pats on the back for this though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 13:47:28 GMT -5
In this instance, I'm totally fine with them screaming "first" because at least the match is happening. The feud, I will concede hasn't been that great. The Smackdown women are being handled better without coming off as "look at us, we've finally caught up with most of modern society!" I'll admit that. But again, the match is still happening. WWE is always going to pat itself on the back, it's just what they do. I'm just happy we're long past the Bra and Panties days. They could say first and still have a great feud though, that is the problem I have. They took a well built feud that could have been highlighted by this and instead turned it into a press release ignoring years of build. Yeah it is great it is happening but it has lost most of if not all meaning and I am not a fan of that. Rushing to scream first rarely works out. There was a push to do Nikki and Charlotte in the Cell last year but they held off because it needed to mean something and not just be a "Look, they're equal now" match and they achieved that this year until they actually booked the match. WWE has long rushed "firsts" for women that were good to great matches and moments that meant nothing in the long run and the way they are doing this makes me fear another. Don't get me wrong, they'll deliver and I'm sure I'll enjoy it but I don't know that say HIAC 2017 we'll be saying it meant anything. They've pretty much put them in a position where the match itself has no choice but to be a complete blowaway match. If they have anything remotely "ho-hum" then this match will always be remembered for being the "first" but that's completely it. It's like Lita vs. Victoria in the cage match, it only happened because it was a throwaway Raw match with a Roulette wheel that decided it, it will always be WWE's first womens cage match, but there's no real memory of it outside of that. I don't even know what I'd expect out of them, I think it's going to be very hard for them to have a match that overshadows the fact that this is just a vanity thing, for me anyways. I think the real benefit is that it normalizes the premise that women can main event and have big stip matches like this in the future and when WWE are less enamored with themselves for being so courageous to consider it, maybe they'll put a better effort into it next time. I long for a time we don't have to suffer these gimmick PPVs in the first place.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 18, 2016 14:01:08 GMT -5
While I do think it's cool how they're letting Charlotte vs. Sasha main event and be in HIAC, I can't help but worry that, due to the increased pressure to "prove themselves", Sasha or Charlotte is going to do something recklessly dangerous to get people talking. I'm fully expecting Sasha to Kurt Angle herself at least once.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Oct 18, 2016 14:05:30 GMT -5
Even Ric makes jokes about these two doing something ridiculous. On a recent ep of his podcast he said he just doesn't want his daughter to do a corkscrew moonsault off the top.
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 18, 2016 14:10:13 GMT -5
Is be more hyped to see a women's match in the Main event if they hadn't already beaten this one to death
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Post by cabbageboy on Oct 18, 2016 14:37:25 GMT -5
Isn't it kind of sad that the Owens/Rollins feud has such little heat that it would take back seat to the women's match at HIAC? The entire idea of the Universal title so far as been such a bust it isn't even funny.
The entire idea of Charlotte/Sasha in HIAC makes no sense based upon what we've seen on TV. It's literally being done just to "break barriers" or something. Foley comes off like such a moron in this since he refused to book Cesaro/Sheamus again because those two guys would destroy each other in a typical singles wrestling match. So it's okay for two women to try and destroy each other in HIAC??
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 18, 2016 14:43:17 GMT -5
Oh god, please let Sasha win in that case. The last thing I want is Charlotte on RAW bragging about being the first woman to ever win the main event of a WWE pay per view.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 18, 2016 14:47:03 GMT -5
Good. Progress being made.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Oct 18, 2016 14:56:56 GMT -5
Looks like Mick rushed things
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Oct 18, 2016 14:59:28 GMT -5
Mick is very bad at his job. Shoot and kayfabe.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 18, 2016 15:00:16 GMT -5
"Each fan can decide what their main event is!"
I think Mick might've forgotten what a main event actually is.
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 18, 2016 15:07:32 GMT -5
"Each fan can decide what their main event is!" I think Mick might've forgotten what a main event actually is. For us, it's when we turn off the TV or change the channel after we saw the only match/segment we were looking forward to.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Oct 18, 2016 15:09:27 GMT -5
"Each fan can decide what their main event is!" "...On WWE 2K17. In stores now!"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 15:10:37 GMT -5
No surprise because it is how they have been doing things for a long time now "main event" in WWE has never meant one sigular match in years.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 18, 2016 15:12:27 GMT -5
I don't see how it's forced. These two have been at each other's throats since their days in NXT. They actually have the biggest reason for being in the cell.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Oct 18, 2016 15:23:04 GMT -5
Well, now that Mick's backpedaling, if this DOESN'T go on last then I can see the fans being pissed off at whatever does. They've painted themselves into a corner here.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 18, 2016 15:49:00 GMT -5
Why would you even say that knowing fully well what people would think you meant, lol? Just makes you look like a joke of a GM. Which Mick basically is so I guess he's playing his gimmick effectively
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