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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 18, 2016 18:27:32 GMT -5
In less than a year we were marking out for the Girls getting the NXT TakeOver Main Event to not giving a shit when they get one on WWE Television, let alone the match being a Hell in a Cell Monday Night RAW Everybody, they will kill your excitement for EVERYTHING... Who's "We?" I would assume the people who liked my post in agreement, on top of the fact I think everyone was happy when Sasha vs Bayley Main Evented, and there are a lot of people who were very meh about this being the main event, on top of being in the Cell, I don't think its much of an overreaction to say something like that.
Just thought it was a testament to how badly RAW books things. I mean I'm happy for them and I hope this match kicks ass too despite it being like the fifth time on major TV Sasha and Charlotte have fought in the last few months...
At the same time, Mick screwed up himself so this whole thing might be moot.
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Post by cosmo on Oct 18, 2016 18:28:18 GMT -5
I still can't decide which was the better WrestleMania main event, King Kong Bundy vs. SD Jones or Terri Runnels vs. The Kat.
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Post by JCBaggee on Oct 18, 2016 18:37:59 GMT -5
"Charlotte and Sasha will main event Hell in a Cell, which will be ground breaking because the main event is on the pre-show!!"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 18:42:18 GMT -5
Honestly I see it as more an indictment on how nothing the other two Cell matches are than as real progress, particularly given how Sasha can't seem to walk across a hallway without them trumpeting it as a huge accomplishment for women. It doesn't exactly feel like equality if every time the women do anything you pat them on the head and tell them what a good job they're doing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 18:45:19 GMT -5
Although the feud is yet to grip me it should go on last because:
- Sasha's hometown. - Other two main feuds are no better. - Boston is a smark-ish city. When you have the window of opportunity in such a place best to try new things, as cringey as the "WOMANS WRESTLING" chants at the Sasha/Bayley iron woman match it would be far worse if your "first" moment is both wrestlers killing themselves to silence in front of a more traditional crowd or worse empty seats if everyone goes home after Rollins/Owens.
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Post by 543Y2J on Oct 18, 2016 18:45:22 GMT -5
Mick Foley + Social Media =
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 18, 2016 20:28:48 GMT -5
Although the feud is yet to grip me it should go on last because: - Sasha's hometown. - Other two main feuds are no better. - Boston is a smark-ish city. When you have the window of opportunity in such a place best to try new things, as cringey as the "WOMANS WRESTLING" chants at the Sasha/Bayley iron woman match it would be far worse if your "first" moment is both wrestlers killing themselves to silence in front of a more traditional crowd or worse empty seats if everyone goes home after Rollins/Owens. it being her hometown shouldn't have any bearing on card placement, especially to my knowledge that they've never moved a card to the main event simply because someone was preforming in front of a hometown crowd.
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Post by Shai on Oct 18, 2016 20:30:48 GMT -5
I have no problem with any of thus except that if they were going to do this and HITC is in Boston where Sasha is from why blow your load on giving her the title on a random Raw...HITC could have been her Punk winning in Chicago type moment.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Oct 18, 2016 21:05:35 GMT -5
Stop letting Mick announce things.
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Post by FAR5222 on Oct 18, 2016 21:08:48 GMT -5
This is the fakest womens program in WWE right now. Charlotte is doing fine. Sasha is too happy and all shucks guys womens revolution and OMG first women's match in a Hell in the Cell. Sasha needs to stop being fake as f***. It wasn't like this back in NXT and WWE put her in a shitty face role because fans wanted her on TV so badly.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Oct 18, 2016 21:44:58 GMT -5
I would assume the people who liked my post in agreement, on top of the fact I think everyone was happy when Sasha vs Bayley Main Evented, and there are a lot of people who were very meh about this being the main event, on top of being in the Cell, I don't think its much of an overreaction to say something like that.
Just thought it was a testament to how badly RAW books things. I mean I'm happy for them and I hope this match kicks ass too despite it being like the fifth time on major TV Sasha and Charlotte have fought in the last few months...
At the same time, Mick screwed up himself so this whole thing might be moot. I think the. Reason people were so amped for the Iron Woman match was because the story built to that match and its spot. Bayley chased that belt for so long, she had lost to Sasha time and time again before FINALLY winning the belt in Brooklyn. Before that, she ran through the Horsewomen to prove that she belonged in that group. And when she finally got the win, Sasha was there to remimd her that Bayley won once while Sasha won multiple times. The Iron Woman match set out to prove an was better once and for all, and the story they took two years to tell us reached a satisfying conclusion. It earned that spot, it didn't get it because "hey let's make history". I appreciate giving the Women Women match like this, but I want the emotional gravitas that makes this match mean something. Making history is great, butbdont do this match just because. The first Ladder Match at WM X was built in two guys having a legit claim to the IC belt, the first HIAC was because Mankind and Taker were literally willing to go through hell to finish one another for good. Match stipulations should have a story that requires the stipulation, and I'm sorry, but the story they're telling isn't selling me on their match. I hope it's good and I hope it opens a lot of eyes to what women can accomplish, but I can still be disappointed in no they're telling the story.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 4:28:51 GMT -5
Really the only negative thing I've taken out of this is how much Mick is patting himself and Stephanie on the back (and by extension WWE). I just saw on Facebook where he posted a tweet from WWE quoting Bryan calling Mick and Stephanie "cowards" (you'd think Daniel would know better after the last man he called a coward ripped him to shreds). His response was to say "we're cowards? We're the ones who booked a women's main event on Raw! We're leading the women's revolution! First ever women's HIAC!" And I'm just like... stop. It's cool, but stop. You're not brave, courageous, or anything of the sort for having the women in these big spots. Frankly while that's great, the Smackdown crew is doing a much better job using their female talent and getting so many people on screen in actual meaningful ways. I've been watching Sasha and Charlotte feud for literally years, and Bayley/Dana is a side story to that. Nia Jax isn't even getting regular TV time anymore. Raw's women's revolution is two women. Smackdown has 6 women right now who all feel like they're doing something.
Kind of a tangent, and I love Mick, but good lord he's frustrating right now. It's great that Charlotte and Sasha are getting opportunities, but I don't need anyone telling me that it's great that they're giving the opportunities. Let me praise you... don't tell me why I'm not praising you enough.
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Post by 111111 on Oct 19, 2016 9:27:51 GMT -5
Sasha isnt actually from Boston.
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Post by Reflecto on Oct 19, 2016 12:17:13 GMT -5
I would assume the people who liked my post in agreement, on top of the fact I think everyone was happy when Sasha vs Bayley Main Evented, and there are a lot of people who were very meh about this being the main event, on top of being in the Cell, I don't think its much of an overreaction to say something like that.
Just thought it was a testament to how badly RAW books things. I mean I'm happy for them and I hope this match kicks ass too despite it being like the fifth time on major TV Sasha and Charlotte have fought in the last few months...
At the same time, Mick screwed up himself so this whole thing might be moot. I think the. Reason people were so amped for the Iron Woman match was because the story built to that match and its spot. Bayley chased that belt for so long, she had lost to Sasha time and time again before FINALLY winning the belt in Brooklyn. Before that, she ran through the Horsewomen to prove that she belonged in that group. And when she finally got the win, Sasha was there to remimd her that Bayley won once while Sasha won multiple times. The Iron Woman match set out to prove an was better once and for all, and the story they took two years to tell us reached a satisfying conclusion. It earned that spot, it didn't get it because "hey let's make history". I appreciate giving the Women Women match like this, but I want the emotional gravitas that makes this match mean something. Making history is great, butbdont do this match just because. The first Ladder Match at WM X was built in two guys having a legit claim to the IC belt, the first HIAC was because Mankind and Taker were literally willing to go through hell to finish one another for good. Match stipulations should have a story that requires the stipulation, and I'm sorry, but the story they're telling isn't selling me on their match. I hope it's good and I hope it opens a lot of eyes to what women can accomplish, but I can still be disappointed in no they're telling the story. Honestly, these things are the biggest reasons I'm firmly on the side of Charlotte/Sasha in HiaC and/or Main Eventing: To the people saying "It's just done as a platitude! It doesn't MEAN anything yet because it's a feud! Charlotte/Sasha in the Cell main eventing is just WWE patting themselves on the back to pat themselves on the back": Beyond these, as we've said- Charlotte and Sasha have been actively feuding since basically January, and likely since they debuted with the Women's Revolution since PCB/BAD were also feuds (and the two teams to have NXT women added to them), building up to a Cell match here, plus their NXT history added to this. Now, with all of that in mind, let me ask the obvious question: Even though it'd literally be as thrown together as humanly possible. Even though by TV standards, it'd be a more blatant "WWE patting themselves on the back just to pat themselves on the back" move. Even though, by WWE main roster storylines, the two women barely have a reason to even want to FIGHT each other (and only because Sasha Banks is Raw Women's Champ right now at least giving "I'd kind of like a title shot" as a reason to want to fight), much less agree to fight each other inside a career-shortening, life-altering structure. With all of those things in place, let me ask the question: If this Hell in a Cell match/possible HiaC main event was Sasha Banks vs. Bayley, would you still have the same reaction of "It's just a platitude! It doesn't MEAN anythjing yet! It's a fake honor! It's just WWE patting themselves on the back to pat themselves on the back!"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 12:38:54 GMT -5
He only backpedaled because it turns out Roman Reigns vs. Rusev will be the match everybody paid to see, according to Vince. Therefore, Roman's Conquest will be last.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 12:41:46 GMT -5
"Each fan can decide what their main event is!" I think Mick might've forgotten what a main event actually is. My main event is the World's Strongest Golden Truth vs. The Titus Brand Stars .
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on Oct 19, 2016 12:46:53 GMT -5
Mick, I want to love you, but you come across like the most incompetent man alive sometimes.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 19, 2016 12:48:07 GMT -5
You're not brave, courageous, or anything of the sort for having the women in these big spots. Frankly while that's great, the Smackdown crew is doing a much better job using their female talent and getting so many people on screen in actual meaningful ways. Oh man, if there are any two words that have been overused and abused in the 2010s, it's "brave" and "courageous".
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Oct 19, 2016 13:08:16 GMT -5
I think the. Reason people were so amped for the Iron Woman match was because the story built to that match and its spot. Bayley chased that belt for so long, she had lost to Sasha time and time again before FINALLY winning the belt in Brooklyn. Before that, she ran through the Horsewomen to prove that she belonged in that group. And when she finally got the win, Sasha was there to remimd her that Bayley won once while Sasha won multiple times. The Iron Woman match set out to prove an was better once and for all, and the story they took two years to tell us reached a satisfying conclusion. It earned that spot, it didn't get it because "hey let's make history". I appreciate giving the Women Women match like this, but I want the emotional gravitas that makes this match mean something. Making history is great, butbdont do this match just because. The first Ladder Match at WM X was built in two guys having a legit claim to the IC belt, the first HIAC was because Mankind and Taker were literally willing to go through hell to finish one another for good. Match stipulations should have a story that requires the stipulation, and I'm sorry, but the story they're telling isn't selling me on their match. I hope it's good and I hope it opens a lot of eyes to what women can accomplish, but I can still be disappointed in no they're telling the story. Honestly, these things are the biggest reasons I'm firmly on the side of Charlotte/Sasha in HiaC and/or Main Eventing: To the people saying "It's just done as a platitude! It doesn't MEAN anything yet because it's a feud! Charlotte/Sasha in the Cell main eventing is just WWE patting themselves on the back to pat themselves on the back": Beyond these, as we've said- Charlotte and Sasha have been actively feuding since basically January, and likely since they debuted with the Women's Revolution since PCB/BAD were also feuds (and the two teams to have NXT women added to them), building up to a Cell match here, plus their NXT history added to this. Now, with all of that in mind, let me ask the obvious question: Even though it'd literally be as thrown together as humanly possible. Even though by TV standards, it'd be a more blatant "WWE patting themselves on the back just to pat themselves on the back" move. Even though, by WWE main roster storylines, the two women barely have a reason to even want to FIGHT each other (and only because Sasha Banks is Raw Women's Champ right now at least giving "I'd kind of like a title shot" as a reason to want to fight), much less agree to fight each other inside a career-shortening, life-altering structure. With all of those things in place, let me ask the question: If this Hell in a Cell match/possible HiaC main event was Sasha Banks vs. Bayley, would you still have the same reaction of "It's just a platitude! It doesn't MEAN anythjing yet! It's a fake honor! It's just WWE patting themselves on the back to pat themselves on the back!" Honestly I would. Bayley came in the night after Summerslam, and while I love the character to death and have followed her since the beginning, I would have the same problem of it was Bayley vs. Sasha in the Cell. My issue isn't the women involved, it's the story they're telling. Even the interviews on Monday didn't sell me on the match. The match itself could be great, and I hope it is, but it's not doing itself much favors at the moment.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 19, 2016 13:50:14 GMT -5
I get the feeling Mick Foley actually thinks he runs RAW and has to be reminded every day or so that he has no power at all.
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