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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 21, 2016 11:15:40 GMT -5
Vince: "Brock, we put a lot behind you. Then this whole UFC thing and we go out of our way and make special deals. Then you lose. And then the testing positive. You understand you have to lose at Survivor Series because of this." He won, though. Adjusted. Thanks.
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Post by bootytea on Nov 21, 2016 11:20:42 GMT -5
It was such a surreal thing to see.
I actually wouldn't mind seeing Goldberg win the Rumble and challenge Braun Strowman for the Universal Title.
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Post by The Yes Man on Nov 21, 2016 11:21:30 GMT -5
His win got over turned because of the test failure though, didn't it?
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Post by Lancers on Nov 21, 2016 11:38:57 GMT -5
"Remember when you said 'You owe me one' after I let you fight in UFC 200? Well, I got this great idea for tonight's match with Goldberg."
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 21, 2016 11:54:42 GMT -5
Welp, no Brock tonight according to PWInsider. Idiots.
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Post by bob on Nov 21, 2016 12:05:02 GMT -5
absolutely stunned, I thought that not only was it a given Brock would win but I expected that match to at least be 10 minutes long
I think their match at WM 20 was better
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Post by sternrogers01 on Nov 21, 2016 12:18:35 GMT -5
As someone who has absolutely no emotional attachment to Goldberg - his last match with Brock is the only other full match of his that I've seen - the whole thing left me totally cold. Maybe I was expecting too much from a guy has been out of the ring from as long as Goldberg has, but I at least expected something I could get my teeth into that would ultimately come down to whether that one last spear and one last jackhammer would be enough to overcome a dominant "final boss" Brock Lesnar. Instead I got a squash match that made the build and hype feel a waste of time and left one of the most protected guys in the company (for good or ill) looking an absolute joke. Overeactive Baloney. You obviously don't understand the aura of Bill Goldberg and why matches like this help sustain it. He was booked to perfection last night, if you had bothered to watch any of his peak matches in WCW you'd know why people went nuts for him in the day. Sometimes the WCW methods are indeed the best. Lesnar will be fine, he's at the stage where losses like this make people interested in what he'll do next, not point a finger and laugh at him. Some of you fans really need to stop being so over-analytical and so dependent on workrate. Settle for some goddamn car crash entertainment. There's room in this genre for both.
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Post by Dang! on Nov 21, 2016 12:28:20 GMT -5
If WWE had any plans for Rusev, NOW would be the time to have him start a feud with Goldberg AND have him go over. It's not gonna happen, because he's too European.
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Post by chronocross on Nov 21, 2016 12:28:35 GMT -5
absolutely stunned, I thought that not only was it a given Brock would win but I expected that match to at least be 10 minutes long I think their match at WM 20 was better I thought Lesnar would barely win, to show that he was taken to his limit. But I will gladly go with last night's finish as that's the way to book Goldberg, he's not suited for 10-15 minute encounters. I'm just surprised they let a WCW guy have their way with one of their top guys.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Nov 21, 2016 12:30:53 GMT -5
As someone who has absolutely no emotional attachment to Goldberg - his last match with Brock is the only other full match of his that I've seen - the whole thing left me totally cold. Maybe I was expecting too much from a guy has been out of the ring from as long as Goldberg has, but I at least expected something I could get my teeth into that would ultimately come down to whether that one last spear and one last jackhammer would be enough to overcome a dominant "final boss" Brock Lesnar. Instead I got a squash match that made the build and hype feel a waste of time and left one of the most protected guys in the company (for good or ill) looking an absolute joke. Overeactive Baloney. You obviously don't understand the aura of Bill Goldberg and why matches like this help sustain it. He was booked to perfection last night, if you had bothered to watch any of his peak matches in WCW you'd know why people went nuts for him in the day. Sometimes the WCW methods are indeed the best. Lesnar will be fine, he's at the stage where losses like this make people interested in what he'll do next, not point a finger and laugh at him. Some of you fans really need to stop being so over-analytical and so dependent on workrate. Settle for some goddamn car crash entertainment. There's room in this genre for both. The best part is, storyline-wise, its easily explained. Lesnar overlooked Goldberg. He underestimated him. He's old, past his prime, hasn't wrestled in 12 years. Lesnar is a machine who has wrecked everything in his way. He ended the streak. Dominated Cena. Bludgeoned Orton. The only reason he lost the title was a fluke cash-in, and he didn't get pinned. Now Lesnar is out for redemption. Goldberg isn't who Lesnar thought he was. He's still "Da Man."
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Post by Lupin the Third on Nov 21, 2016 12:51:07 GMT -5
I'm wanting the rematch people should be clamoring for....
Goldberg/DDP II.
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Post by Indifference Abounds on Nov 21, 2016 12:58:26 GMT -5
You obviously don't understand the aura of Bill Goldberg and why matches like this help sustain it. That is pretty much what I said, yes. Goldberg is someone I have no emotional connection to, as I'm someone who has very little experience with anything much pre-2004, so I can't really relate to why everyone else seems to have responded to this as they have - my experience is second-hand knowledge and hype packages, while I'm very familiar with Brock's aura. If that means I'm not really the audience for this encounter then that's absolutely okay, but it doesn't change the fact that I had very different expectations for this match and subsequently was left underwhelmed by it. I expected it to be played as something of an irresistible force meets immovable object type affair, not unlike what they seemed to be suggesting their original Mania match should've been. Lesnar certainly will be fine; I'm more than willing to accept that "laughing stock" is hyperbole and that this should help revitalise him. Perhaps I'm giving this too much weight in my mind, but in an era when we've seen "18 seconds" and "Sheamus 5:15," not to mention all the people getting a kick out of Brock being brought back down to earth with a crunch, it still feels to me that taking a guy who's been given as many big wins and throwing him under a bus like that just makes him look less special. Different context, but Brock essentially lost in the same fashion (and with the same amount of offense) as Breezango. In the short term he certainly is the butt of the joke. Is saying that I expected "fantasy warfare" between two guys with auras as badasses to be a slugfest rather than a one-sided squash really dwelling too much on workrate?
This match wasn't aimed at me (and I was expecting the wrong things from it) so it's no wonder that it didn't really hit home.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 21, 2016 13:00:32 GMT -5
So they realized that people hated all the stalling in WM 20... and decided to go the opposite way... Ok.
Though I don't get the point of making Brock damned near invincible only to lose to Goldberg immediately.
That helps nobody...
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Post by Dub H on Nov 21, 2016 13:02:44 GMT -5
So they realized that people hated all the stalling in WM 20... and decided to go the opposite way... Ok. Though I don't get the point of making Brock damned near invincible only to lose to Goldberg immediately. That helps nobody... IF ROMAN CANT HAVE IT , NOBODY CAN
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Nov 21, 2016 13:15:10 GMT -5
I mean this honestly is an utterly INSANE booking decision- the biggest monster the WWE has ever built up, gets squashed by an aging GOLDBERG IN 2016!? I fully expected either a Lesnar win where Goldberg comes close but so far and never quite gets to hit the Spear/Jackhammer combo, or Goldberg digging deep and somehow beating Brock as he gets overconfident.....but I didn't expect them to do the overconfident "2 minute squash" booking. And certainly not with GOLDBERG going over. I just....I can't understand it from a long term booking perspective. I can't understand it from the perspective of giving the audience what they want after paying for tickets to it. I mean it HAS to have been due to this injury right? I didn't even know Goldberg was injured til now but that's the ONLY way this crack makes sense. But f*** me, my inner mark still loves it. Goldberg is still Da Man, still the biggest badass in the history of the business. It's a goddamn dumpster fire and I'm merrily roasting marshmellows over it. I mean if they actually really play up the overconfidence side in the aftermath this could be a really interesting story but Goldberg isn't sticking around and Brock is barely here anyway so I don't expect that but....I just....Lol What. Just a thought maybe this is a build to that? Lesnar realises he got overconfident, ends his Suplex City BS and becomes the all-round monster again destroying people efficiently rather than with arrogant move spam, this refocused attitude leads him to the title, and THEN a Joe or Nakamura (or my pet pick Cesaro or Rusev) beats him in an actual long-haul drawn out war, cementing that it wasn't a fluke, or overconfidence, nor are they some EVEN MORE OMG BAD AZZ, but theyre his equal and the new man. Lol who am I kidding it's not building to that this is just a hilarious nostalgia pop. I love it and yet I can't help but laugh at the insanity of it. Also I eagerly await the Guile's/Sami Zayn's Theme Goes With the moment Goldberg hits the first Spear. Calling it: Goldberg wins the Rumble ....Dammit gotta admit I'd mark.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 13:17:45 GMT -5
As someone who has absolutely no emotional attachment to Goldberg - his last match with Brock is the only other full match of his that I've seen - the whole thing left me totally cold. Maybe I was expecting too much from a guy has been out of the ring from as long as Goldberg has, but I at least expected something I could get my teeth into that would ultimately come down to whether that one last spear and one last jackhammer would be enough to overcome a dominant "final boss" Brock Lesnar. Instead I got a squash match that made the build and hype feel a waste of time and left one of the most protected guys in the company (for good or ill) looking an absolute joke. Overeactive Baloney. You obviously don't understand the aura of Bill Goldberg and why matches like this help sustain it. He was booked to perfection last night, if you had bothered to watch any of his peak matches in WCW you'd know why people went nuts for him in the day. Sometimes the WCW methods are indeed the best. Lesnar will be fine, he's at the stage where losses like this make people interested in what he'll do next, not point a finger and laugh at him. Some of you fans really need to stop being so over-analytical and so dependent on workrate. Settle for some goddamn car crash entertainment. There's room in this genre for both. You don't tell people how to be or what to settle for. Do that somewhere else.
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Post by corndog on Nov 21, 2016 13:28:17 GMT -5
I actually just laughed when it happened. Surprised, but not upset. Yeah, if you really sit back and think about Lesnar's booking over the last year, it will probably drive you insane. But let's be honest, this wasn't a match we wanted to see go 20 minutes. It was better off having the 5 on 5 men's match go the distance. I wonder if Lesnar heard he was losing and said just make it a squash match, since he doesn't seem like someone that likes to go above and beyond in the ring if he doesn't have to.
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 21, 2016 13:33:03 GMT -5
Welp, no Brock tonight according to PWInsider. Idiots. So it's basically going to be a thing where Brock is gone for months and then suddenly shows up acting like he's still mad. Wonderful.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 21, 2016 13:41:46 GMT -5
I have no idea if I'm in the minority or majority but I can't put into words how angry I am about Goldberg annihilating Brock like that. Two and a half years of buildup, including sacrificing Taker and Cena, to portray Brock as this unstoppable beast and the one to defeat him is Goldberg, a man whose prime was 15-20 years ago? Who isn't going to be around? Nobody will ever get the boost from beating Brock that we all hoped they would. It's over, they've wasted it and they can't build it up again. All for the sake of one night of TV. I can never say a man is wrong for disliking something I flat out loved. All of your points are valid but I don't think this is the end of the storyline. I do hope we never get Brock vs Goldberg 3 though. I think it adds a layer to Brock's character that it eats at him that there's a man he couldn't defeat...and will never defeat. Hulked out Brock should just start taking that rage out on anyone and everyone until Goldberg agrees to a rematch...but Goldberg refuses. Brock blindsides him and just starts destroying Goldberg until someone runs in for the save. Braun. Samoa Joe. Nakamura. Your choice. Fair enough, but I wouldn't trust them to do something as long-term and interesting
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Post by feartear on Nov 21, 2016 14:58:35 GMT -5
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