Tom S
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Post by Tom S on Nov 21, 2016 15:04:04 GMT -5
On one hand, hmmm it's a risky move
On the other...
f*** YEAH, DUBYA CEE DUBYAH, DUBYA CEE DUBYAH, DUBYA CEE DUBYAH
That one was for the filthy animals and three count
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AtomSmasher
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Post by AtomSmasher on Nov 21, 2016 15:12:26 GMT -5
I liked it. Unexpected and exciting because of it. Maybe Joe or Nakamura could get the big win over Goldberg instead of Lesnar? Beat the Man that beat the Man that beat The Streak? TBH I'd even rather see the rematch at WM than the mooted Shane O Mac/Lesnar match...
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Post by SkullTrauma on Nov 21, 2016 15:21:54 GMT -5
His win got over turned because of the test failure though, didn't it? There was talk that it *could* be, but nothing I've found says that it *was*.
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Post by Raskovnik on Nov 21, 2016 16:10:27 GMT -5
His win got over turned because of the test failure though, didn't it? There was talk that it *could* be, but nothing I've found says that it *was*. In cases like that it's almost always ruled a no contest. Anyways, I just got off the phone with my dad. He was so stoked to see Goldberg do his thing that he had to call me and tell me about it. He's been a lapsed fan since Batista (or as he calls him, Baptista) left, but looks like he'll be tuning in tonight. I'm sure there are plenty of other people like him. The moment was awesome and I fully agree with the decision. I just hope they can follow up on it which is what the company has such a poor track record of.
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 21, 2016 16:19:03 GMT -5
Would be fascinating if they decided to go the Raven/Dreamer route where Brock can and does beat anyone and anybody but, Goldberg is just the one person he can't get past. No matter how hard he fights, how hard he throws him around, or how hard he hits him, he just can't beat Bill Goldberg. And the fact is, Goldberg has, for the most part, been booked as someone who just mauls even the biggest stars so, it makes sense that he would be the only one that someone like Brock can't get one over on.
I've been asking for more UFC and Boxing like "quick finishes" for a long time. It's much more realistic than every match going 20 or 30 minutes with every Tom, Dick, or Shane McMahon in them. So, this is a step in the right direction for me.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 21, 2016 16:30:20 GMT -5
I've been asking for more UFC and Boxing like "quick finishes" for a long time. It's much more realistic than every match going 20 or 30 minutes with every Tom, Dick, or Shane McMahon in them. So, this is a step in the right direction for me. Well, keep in mind that the last time they did an out-of-nowhere superquick finish to a (fairly) major match, the chain reaction it started was not something they had planned on or wanted.
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Post by karoline94 on Nov 21, 2016 16:37:39 GMT -5
I can totally understand why a lot of people do not like this, and I definitely feel sorry for the people who bought a ticket and was looking forward to an amazing match. However, we were all expecting a good old fashioned brawl between two monsters, but what we got was something completely different.
I absolutely loved this. It was unexpected. Wrestling seldom takes you off guard these days anymore. Everything is so predictable and while certain booking makes sense to the point where everything else would be completely stupid, it is nice to once in a while get completely blown away by an ending you wouldn’t see coming in a million miles.
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Fade
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Post by Fade on Nov 21, 2016 17:00:04 GMT -5
Smart call. It's shocking. Surprising. And makes ANOTHER potential huge match at WrestleMania. Taker. Goldberg. Cena, whoever.
Yes it sucks for the live crowd. Easy fix would of been Team RAW vs Team SD! Main event.
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Post by Germansuplex on Nov 21, 2016 17:14:44 GMT -5
Nope, sorry. This made Cena, Taker, Orton, Ambrose, Reigns, and Rollins look like some f***ing clowns. Absolutely stupid.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 21, 2016 17:16:34 GMT -5
The Undertaker. John Cena. Triple H. Randy Orton. Dean Ambrose. Big Show. Cm Punk.
A Goldberg with 12 years of ring rust is better than each.and every.one of them.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Nov 21, 2016 17:34:38 GMT -5
The Undertaker. John Cena. Triple H. Randy Orton. Dean Ambrose. Big Show. Cm Punk. A Goldberg with 12 years of ring rust is better than each.and every.one of them. People keep saying this, but it feels like people are treating it like wrestlers have power levels, that a level 1 guy can't ever beat a level 50 guy. But wrestling works right when it is based on the idea that on any given night, given training, planning, and maybe luck, anybody can beat anyone else. Lesnar vs. Goldberg 2 was a main event, sure, but it was also non-title. It was basically a main-event exhibition match. Last night isn't really comparable to Bryan vs. Sheamus from 2012, I don't think so anyway, because a) Bryan vs. Sheamus didn't make the main Wrestlemania card in 2011, b) it was Bryan's first Wrestlemania match, c) it was a World Heavyweight Title match, d) a WHC match that opened Wrestlemania, and e) Bryan vs. Sheamus had the potential to be at least a good match, and most likely a great match, had the actual bout gone longer than 18 seconds. Besides the duration of the matches themselves, the two aren't exactly comparable, and to compare them obscures a lot of the context that made Bryan vs. Sheamus such an issue in the first place. I'm of the mind that Lesnar has been the albatross hanging around the neck of WWE's booking for the past 18 months or so. And Goldberg is such a non-entity today that even a one-off squash against Lesnar means nothing to the booking of everyone else. So I'm neither angry nor disappointed from reading the results, but a lot of the claims people are making about everybody else looking like a goober because of Goldberg's victory I simply don't agree with, especially when those same wrestlers are made to look like goobers at any other moment when Lesnar isn't around as well.
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Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 21, 2016 17:40:21 GMT -5
Not watching live ruined this, there was no time left for a match so it was obvious what was about to happen. Sure it's always been an inbuilt problem with wrestling to a certain degree but it's even worse when you have the exact time left on the progress bar.
It does make me wonder what would happen if other shows were booked like this though. It'll be like Gendry rowing into Kings Landing and and taking out the white walkers and dragons single handily before taking his seat on the iron throne. Sure it would be cool, it may even make some sense but it would be a waste of years worth of build.
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Post by trollrogue on Nov 21, 2016 17:42:57 GMT -5
Settle down, some of you. Yeah Lesnar made short work of Ambrose, Cena, Taker, Orton, HHH, Punk and hell Heath Slater but Goldberg's "squash" doesn't make those Superstars look any less credible. When Lesnar squashed Cena, did it make all of the 15 times John has one the World Title less impressive? No.
Goldberg has always been booked as an undefeated monster face from Day 1, him winning at Survivor Series just means he's as good as he was back in the day (i.e. better than pretty much anyone else in kayfabe).
Nobody has ever beaten Goldberg clean. Just like nobody had ever beaten Taker clean at 'Mania before Lesnar. Smells like the WWE has some future booking plans for Goldberg now that he's got the push of a lifetime.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 21, 2016 17:43:06 GMT -5
The Undertaker. John Cena. Triple H. Randy Orton. Dean Ambrose. Big Show. Cm Punk. A Goldberg with 12 years of ring rust is better than each.and every.one of them. People keep saying this, but it feels like people are treating it like wrestlers have power levels, that a level 1 guy can't ever beat a level 50 guy. But wrestling works right when it is based on the idea that on any given night, given training, planning, and maybe luck, anybody can beat anyone else. Lesnar vs. Goldberg 2 was a main event, sure, but it was also non-title. It was basically a main-event exhibition match. Last night isn't really comparable to Bryan vs. Sheamus from 2012, I don't think so anyway, because a) Bryan vs. Sheamus didn't make the main Wrestlemania card in 2011, b) it was Bryan's first Wrestlemania match, c) it was a World Heavyweight Title match, d) a WHC match that opened Wrestlemania, and e) Bryan vs. Sheamus had the potential to be at least a good match, and most likely a great match, had the actual bout gone longer than 18 seconds. Besides the duration of the matches themselves, the two aren't exactly comparable, and to compare them obscures a lot of the context that made Bryan vs. Sheamus such an issue in the first place. I'm of the mind that Lesnar has been the albatross hanging around the neck of WWE's booking for the past 18 months or so. And Goldberg is such a non-entity today that even a one-off squash against Lesnar means nothing to the booking of everyone else. So I'm neither angry nor disappointed from reading the results, but a lot of the claims people are making about everybody else looking like a goober because of Goldberg's victory I simply don't agree with, especially when those same wrestlers are made to look like goobers at any other moment when Lesnar isn't around as well. I actually loved last night's ending and audibly cheered, just couldn't resist with the above comment. I agree with you.
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Post by gbo86 on Nov 21, 2016 18:11:37 GMT -5
I watched it today. I...I loved it. I loved it so much. I was so satisfied. This is the most shocking thing that happened since the streak ended. Kudos to WWE for finding a way to stay fresh.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 21, 2016 18:14:54 GMT -5
I think the thing to keep in mind is that Brock completely underestimated Goldberg.
It wasn't like Brock was at his absolute best, took him super seriously and got squashed. Dude laughed, left his chin out there and got knocked out like an idiot.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 21, 2016 18:22:27 GMT -5
I think the thing to keep in mind is that Brock completely underestimated Goldberg. It wasn't like Brock was at his absolute best, took him super seriously and got squashed. Dude laughed, left his chin out there and got knocked out like an idiot. Yeah, and I am not one to crap on Michael Cole, like him actually, but he or whomever was in his ear did it a horrible injustice by shouting down Corey when he was trying to make that point on the replays. While I know the reaction would probably not change much at if it happened, it would at least help in getting people to think that they actually have a plan.
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gbo86
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Post by gbo86 on Nov 21, 2016 18:25:12 GMT -5
I think the thing to keep in mind is that Brock completely underestimated Goldberg. It wasn't like Brock was at his absolute best, took him super seriously and got squashed. Dude laughed, left his chin out there and got knocked out like an idiot. I think this is the perfect characterization. He's still Brock freakin' Lesnar. He just made an idiot of himself this time -- play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It happens in "real sports" all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:27:30 GMT -5
I think a lot of people don't understand how powerful Goldberg is kayfabe-wise. Goldberg has never ever lost clean in WCW nor WWE once he debuted. Each lose was by interference or bullshit. His Jackhammer's the strongest finisher in wrestling history according to that other thread. I mean, the fact he did this to Lesnar, someone who's lost clean before no matter how strong he's booked and someone's who's gotten to the brink of losses, makes sense.
Lesnar might have underestimated Goldberg but Goldberg is the definition of overpowered. He makes Roman's push look like some 123 Kid shit.
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Post by evilone on Nov 21, 2016 18:30:02 GMT -5
The Undertaker. John Cena. Triple H. Randy Orton. Dean Ambrose. Big Show. Cm Punk. A Goldberg with 12 years of ring rust is better than each.and every.one of them. Yup. Exactly. WCW won after all!!!! See ya suckas!!!
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