What Vince told Asuka before her match tonight

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I can't believe Cole ACTUALLY DID the, "She loves to have fun!" thing. That was just straight up self-parody.

[Sicho100]

"So, Asuka. We're gonna kill you deader than Braun."

[Perd]

Oct 22, 2017 22:21:02 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

I can't believe Cole ACTUALLY DID the, "She loves to have fun!" thing. That was just straight up self-parody.

That’s like something you’d hear on Toddlers & Tiaras. Not about a destroyer of competition.

[Allie Kitsune]

Vince f***ing sent Hunter to Chile so that he wouldn't be able to see him book (and Cole announce) Asuka into the dirt.

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Oct 22, 2017 22:21:02 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

I can't believe Cole ACTUALLY DID the, "She loves to have fun!" thing. That was just straight up self-parody.

"She loves to entertain!"was also thrown out.

[ISO Mid Thigh Pull]

I just don't get why they still have debuts like this after Sami Zayn's first PPV, where him and Stardust totally bombed for like 15 minutes a few years ago.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Asuka was selling offense by Eva Marie and much greener versions of Nia Jax and Dana Brooke (which given how they both are now, tells you something) in NXT and it was never an issue. She was never a squash machine at ANY time unless she was fighting pure enhancement talents.

I get it, Asuka should be treated like something unique and special, but there’s still a whole rest of the women’s roster that they have to try and keep people interested in. Asuka squashing them all one by one hurts them more than it helps Asuka, I think, because then you just end up with uncomfortably sexy Japanese female Brock Lesnar.

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Oct 22, 2017 22:27:22 GMT -5 ISO Mid Thigh Pull said:

I just don't get why they still have debuts like this after Sami Zayn's first PPV, where him and Stardust totally bombed for like 15 minutes a few years ago.

Honestly it happens so consistently I'm starting to think they do it on purpose. Not sure how else to explain how the past two years they constantly have people debut in go nowhere months-long feuds with Dolph Ziggler that steadily kill their reactions. It's like they want to kill their hype fast and make them as interchangeable as everyone else.

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Oct 22, 2017 22:28:22 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Asuka was selling offense by Eva Marie and much greener versions of Nia Jax and Dana Brooke (which given how they both are now, tells you something) in NXT and it was never an issue. She was never a squash machine at ANY time unless she was fighting pure enhancement talents.

I get it, Asuka should be treated like something unique and special, but there’s still a whole rest of the women’s roster that they have to try and keep people interested in. Asuka squashing them all one by one hurts them more than it helps Asuka, I think, because then you just end up with uncomfortably sexy Japanese female Brock Lesnar.

The problem many people have is the narrative of the story is that Asuka was dominating and annihilating the competition. In the preview video a few weeks ago you had main roster talent using those exact words to describe her. Now however you have her go 50/50 with Emma of all people.

That just don't make any sense.

It's not about how she was booked in NXT, it's about the story they used. No one would be saying anything if the story was "can Asuka compete with the main roster talent?" because it would fit the match. The match just didn't link up to the story they told which throws everything off.

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Oct 22, 2017 22:28:22 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Asuka was selling offense by Eva Marie and much greener versions of Nia Jax and Dana Brooke (which given how they both are now, tells you something) in NXT and it was never an issue. She was never a squash machine at ANY time unless she was fighting pure enhancement talents.

I get it, Asuka should be treated like something unique and special, but there’s still a whole rest of the women’s roster that they have to try and keep people interested in. Asuka squashing them all one by one hurts them more than it helps Asuka, I think, because then you just end up with uncomfortably sexy Japanese female Brock Lesnar.

For me the problem isn't that it was a competitive match, it's that it was a competitive match with someone who up until about a month ago had a running gag where she'd run her mouth, come out for a match all cocky, then immediately lose.

[Reflecto]

Oct 22, 2017 22:28:22 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Asuka was selling offense by Eva Marie and much greener versions of Nia Jax and Dana Brooke (which given how they both are now, tells you something) in NXT and it was never an issue. She was never a squash machine at ANY time unless she was fighting pure enhancement talents.

I get it, Asuka should be treated like something unique and special, but there’s still a whole rest of the women’s roster that they have to try and keep people interested in. Asuka squashing them all one by one hurts them more than it helps Asuka, I think, because then you just end up with uncomfortably sexy Japanese female Brock Lesnar.

This- if anything, selling offense from Emma is better since they HAVE to make the women look like they're in Asuka's league.

Matches like this one are the only way you're going to fix the "One day, Asuka WILL LOSE. She will lose to someone WHO IS BENEATH HER. And when she loses, it'll DESTROY her aura dead" problem- by making it so that Asuka's still dominant, but the rest of the roster is at least in her league...and as a result, Asuka's first loss won't destroy her right there.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Oct 22, 2017 22:31:27 GMT -5 @kn said:

Oct 22, 2017 22:28:22 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Asuka was selling offense by Eva Marie and much greener versions of Nia Jax and Dana Brooke (which given how they both are now, tells you something) in NXT and it was never an issue. She was never a squash machine at ANY time unless she was fighting pure enhancement talents.

I get it, Asuka should be treated like something unique and special, but there’s still a whole rest of the women’s roster that they have to try and keep people interested in. Asuka squashing them all one by one hurts them more than it helps Asuka, I think, because then you just end up with uncomfortably sexy Japanese female Brock Lesnar.

The problem many people have is the narrative of the story is that Asuka was dominating and annihilating the competition. In the preview video a few weeks ago you had main roster talent using those exact words to describe her. Now however you have her go 50/50 with Emma of all people.

That just don't make any sense.

It's not about how she was booked in NXT, it's about the story they used to describe her. No one would be saying anything if the story was "can Asuka compete with the main roster talent?" because it would fit the match. The match just didn't link up to the story they told.

OK, then that’s just them exaggerating what her NXT run was actually like to unsustainable levels. I’m sorry, but the women’s division is too small for them to actually follow up on those claims for any long period of time, so that’s their mistake. It’s not so much an issue with the men because they have 20-30 more people the monster can run through before getting to the top stars. For Asuka, as a babyface... it’s two more heels before she gets to the champion, Jax and Fox. TWO.

[Hobby Drifter]

HHH is going to spend his flight back getting the paperwork ready to put Vince in a home.

[the2ndevil]

Oct 22, 2017 22:28:22 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Asuka was selling offense by Eva Marie and much greener versions of Nia Jax and Dana Brooke (which given how they both are now, tells you something) in NXT and it was never an issue. She was never a squash machine at ANY time unless she was fighting pure enhancement talents.

I get it, Asuka should be treated like something unique and special, but there’s still a whole rest of the women’s roster that they have to try and keep people interested in. Asuka squashing them all one by one hurts them more than it helps Asuka, I think, because then you just end up with uncomfortably sexy Japanese female Brock Lesnar.

I wish I could like this post more than once.

[A Platypus Rave]

Asuka HAS NEVER completely squashed people outside of complete jobbers and has never no-sold people.

Every person she was in the ring with from Eva Marie and Dana Brooke to Bayley and Ember Moon she sold their attacks.

She's been dominant in that she manages to pull out the victory in multiple fashions that is how she is dominant.

I knew the minute Asuka sold in the main event this thread would pop up.

[Allie Kitsune]

Oct 22, 2017 22:44:53 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Asuka HAS NEVER completely squashed people outside of complete jobbers and has never no-sold people.

Every person she was in the ring with from Eva Marie and Dana Brooke to Bayley and Ember Moon she sold their attacks.

She's been dominant in that she manages to pull out the victory in multiple fashions that is how she is dominant.

And all of them were better built (even Eva Marie) than this current incarnation of Emma has been.

If they wanted a match like this, they should have built Emma up as an actual threat first.

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The Emma match I can deal with

The Cole commentary I simply cannot. The whole "SHE LIKES TO HAVE FUN AND ENTERTAIN!!", like they don't f***ing understand how to transition NXT talent at all and I am so SICK of it.

[xxshoyuweeniexx]

Oct 22, 2017 22:34:53 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Oct 22, 2017 22:28:22 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Asuka was selling offense by Eva Marie and much greener versions of Nia Jax and Dana Brooke (which given how they both are now, tells you something) in NXT and it was never an issue. She was never a squash machine at ANY time unless she was fighting pure enhancement talents.

I get it, Asuka should be treated like something unique and special, but there’s still a whole rest of the women’s roster that they have to try and keep people interested in. Asuka squashing them all one by one hurts them more than it helps Asuka, I think, because then you just end up with uncomfortably sexy Japanese female Brock Lesnar.

For me the problem isn't that it was a competitive match, it's that it was a competitive match with someone who up until about a month ago had a running gag where she'd run her mouth, come out for a match all cocky, then immediately lose.

To be fair, her squash matches were all against Nia Jax, who they want to portray as a monster. Against Sasha or Bayley and now Mickie, it’s never been completely one sided.

Also the other options were Dana Brooke who would have been waaay worse than her NXT self, a jobber, or you blow your load with Bayley or Sasha. I don’t think Asuka warrants Golbering people like Nia and Braun did and the Raw women’s divison is shallow as hell.

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Oct 22, 2017 22:37:22 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Oct 22, 2017 22:31:27 GMT -5 @kn said:

The problem many people have is the narrative of the story is that Asuka was dominating and annihilating the competition. In the preview video a few weeks ago you had main roster talent using those exact words to describe her. Now however you have her go 50/50 with Emma of all people.

That just don't make any sense.

It's not about how she was booked in NXT, it's about the story they used to describe her. No one would be saying anything if the story was "can Asuka compete with the main roster talent?" because it would fit the match. The match just didn't link up to the story they told.

OK, then that’s just them exaggerating what her NXT run was actually like to unsustainable levels. I’m sorry, but the women’s division is too small for them to actually follow up on those claims for any long period of time, so that’s their mistake. It’s not so much an issue with the men because they have 20-30 more people the monster can run through before getting to the top stars. For Asuka, as a babyface... it’s two more heels before she gets to the champion, Jax and Fox. TWO.

It's them telling a story which they didn't stick to which is a problem. Her NXT run could have been however it was but if the story doesn't match up it's a mistake on their part regardless of the womens' division. Nobody here is saying that they don't need to build the women up considering the division is small, we all agree with that. What we're saying is based on the story they told with Asuka, they went ahead and did something completely different in the match. Secondly it's against Emma who, due to her credibility, just hasn't been built up to be a great opponent. It's no different than the complaints about other wrestlers not being credible and yet they're doing damage to people outta nowhere. An example is Mahal/Balor months ago where Mahal was on the offensive for a great amount of the match. It's the same situation in this case.

Just because other women need to be built up isn't an excuse that the previews and story they were telling for Asuka were wrong and that didn't link up to the match. That's like building up a match about Ambrose having a bad shoulder but in the match there's no indication of it. Let alone that's no excuse to say "well women need to be built up so it's ok that Emma did this." It's just not good build-up.

The fact they're building up other women is good.
The fact that the story was Asuka's dominating and annihilating women even though they didn't stick to the story is bad.
The fact that Emma with her record was going 50/50 with Asuka with no great build-up of her own is bad.

That's just not good.