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Post by badkarma on Feb 15, 2018 14:15:09 GMT -5
What exactly is Omega doing at the Strong Style show? They started hinting at that on the most recent episode of "Being the Elite". Nick Jackson is having visions of a Long Beach Road sign. Last time his visions were how they revealed the Omega/Cody match at Supercard of Honor. This time I think we're getting some form of the Young Bucks & Golden Lovers vs. Cody/Hangman & G.O.D.
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Post by Convoy on Feb 15, 2018 14:27:45 GMT -5
Looks like Fozzy plays in Texas on 3/4, with the following show being on 3/7 in Arizona.
Jericho could fly out to post-match attack Naito at the Anniversary Show, and make the official challenge for Long Beach. Or they could just play a video challenge to set it up.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 15, 2018 14:51:37 GMT -5
What exactly is Omega doing at the Strong Style show? They started hinting at that on the most recent episode of "Being the Elite". Nick Jackson is having visions of a Long Beach Road sign. Last time his visions were how they revealed the Omega/Cody match at Supercard of Honor. This time I think we're getting some form of the Young Bucks & Golden Lovers vs. Cody/Hangman & G.O.D. Marty just sits heartbroken at ringside.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 15, 2018 15:45:09 GMT -5
What exactly is Omega doing at the Strong Style show? They started hinting at that on the most recent episode of "Being the Elite". Nick Jackson is having visions of a Long Beach Road sign. Last time his visions were how they revealed the Omega/Cody match at Supercard of Honor. This time I think we're getting some form of the Young Bucks & Golden Lovers vs. Cody/Hangman & G.O.D. I'm gonna predict that they drag out the "which side are the Bucks on?" part of things for awhile, leading to Golden Lovers vs. the Bucks in LA, potentially setting up a reunion between Kenny and the Jacksons.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 15, 2018 17:01:49 GMT -5
They started hinting at that on the most recent episode of "Being the Elite". Nick Jackson is having visions of a Long Beach Road sign. Last time his visions were how they revealed the Omega/Cody match at Supercard of Honor. This time I think we're getting some form of the Young Bucks & Golden Lovers vs. Cody/Hangman & G.O.D. Marty just sits heartbroken at ringside. Listening to avril Lavigne on his iPod.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 15, 2018 18:47:55 GMT -5
If that's true what a comedown for Omega. Last year he won the U.S. title tourney and had a couple of MOTYC in Long Beach. This year he might be screwing around in nothing tag matches against or with the Young Bucks. I'm willing to give this whole Bullet Club Civil War thing until the ROH Supercard show, but after the Omega/Cody match let's move on with our lives.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Feb 15, 2018 19:26:27 GMT -5
If that's true what a comedown for Omega. Last year he won the U.S. title tourney and had a couple of MOTYC in Long Beach. This year he might be screwing around in nothing tag matches against or with the Young Bucks. I'm willing to give this whole Bullet Club Civil War thing until the ROH Supercard show, but after the Omega/Cody match let's move on with our lives. Couldn't disagree with this more. While I'm not a big lover of this Bullet Club civil war angle - although that's more to do with the fact that I don't feel there's anyone in the group good enough and big (star-wise not size-wise) enough to be the opposite of Omega rather than hating the actual angle - there's no question that this is one of, if not, the biggest storyline(s) in NJPW right now. And if it were, like someone suggested earlier, the Golden Lovers vs. The Young Bucks that ain't a nothing match, that's a bonafide f***ing dream match.
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Post by eJm on Feb 15, 2018 21:00:25 GMT -5
If that's true what a comedown for Omega. Last year he won the U.S. title tourney and had a couple of MOTYC in Long Beach. This year he might be screwing around in nothing tag matches against or with the Young Bucks. I'm willing to give this whole Bullet Club Civil War thing until the ROH Supercard show, but after the Omega/Cody match let's move on with our lives. Couldn't disagree with this more. While I'm not a big lover of this Bullet Club civil war angle - although that's more to do with the fact that I don't feel there's anyone in the group good enough and big (star-wise not size-wise) enough to be the opposite of Omega rather than hating the actual angle - there's no question that this is one of, if not, the biggest storyline(s) in NJPW right now. And if it were, like someone suggested earlier, the Golden Lovers vs. The Young Bucks that ain't a nothing match, that's a bonafide f***ing dream match. I’d go as far to say that match would be a major help for the All In event in September because of the money draws involved. But doing it for this show makes a tonne of sense.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Feb 15, 2018 22:31:16 GMT -5
I’m not even an Omega guy, but Golden Lovers is probably bigger to him than a title match he would lose to Okada anyway.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 15, 2018 23:13:25 GMT -5
Couldn't disagree with this more. While I'm not a big lover of this Bullet Club civil war angle - although that's more to do with the fact that I don't feel there's anyone in the group good enough and big (star-wise not size-wise) enough to be the opposite of Omega rather than hating the actual angle - there's no question that this is one of, if not, the biggest storyline(s) in NJPW right now. And if it were, like someone suggested earlier, the Golden Lovers vs. The Young Bucks that ain't a nothing match, that's a bonafide f***ing dream match. I’d go as far to say that match would be a major help for the All In event in September because of the money draws involved. But doing it for this show makes a tonne of sense. People would really want to see that? Omega is not a tag team draw to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 23:21:01 GMT -5
I’d go as far to say that match would be a major help for the All In event in September because of the money draws involved. But doing it for this show makes a tonne of sense. People would really want to see that? Omega is not a tag team draw to me. Do you generally dislike wrestlers who you are otherwise a fan of in singles matches, if they happen to be in a tag match once in a while? Wrestlers are wrestlers.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 15, 2018 23:28:00 GMT -5
People would really want to see that? Omega is not a tag team draw to me. Do you generally dislike wrestlers who you are otherwise a fan of in singles matches, if they happen to be in a tag match once in a while? Wrestlers are wrestlers. As a big time draw to a big time show? Absolutely. I was responding to posts saying Golden Lovers/Bucks was a possible dream match for the All In show. I wouldn't want to see AJ teaming with Shinsuke against the Usos at Wrestlemania, I wanna see AJ in a singles match.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Feb 16, 2018 0:22:01 GMT -5
Do you generally dislike wrestlers who you are otherwise a fan of in singles matches, if they happen to be in a tag match once in a while? Wrestlers are wrestlers. As a big time draw to a big time show? Absolutely. I was responding to posts saying Golden Lovers/Bucks was a possible dream match for the All In show. I wouldn't want to see AJ teaming with Shinsuke against the Usos at Wrestlemania, I wanna see AJ in a singles match. That's a massive false equivalency, actually several massive false equivalencies. Firstly because this isn't New Japan's WrestleMania. Sure it's an important show but it is a far cry from their WrestleMania. Secondly, as much as I love The Usos but they're not nearly the draw The Bucks are. Thirdly, when the Golden Lovers were crushing it in DDT and particularly during their awesome feud with Apollo 55 in New Japan The Bucks were simultaneously crushing it in PWG (and had been beforehand in ROH) and I always wanted to see these two teams clash - never once have I had the chance to think that about AJ/Shinsuke vs. The Usos. And finally AJ teaming with Shinsuke would be super random anyway (it'd be cool and on a B-PPV I wouldn't be against it but it'd still be really random), the Golden Lovers reforming is a team with an insane amount of history after plenty of teasing (hell this goes as far back as Ibushi's shot at the title back when AJ was Champ and Omega hesitated to attack him) FINALLY reuniting. This is more like The Shield reuniting (to give it a modern day WWE equivalent) than AJ and Shinsuke randomly teaming up. In fact, to me, The Golden Lovers reuniting is way more exciting than The Shield reunion so yeah it's definitely a dream match for me.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 16, 2018 0:36:51 GMT -5
As a big time draw to a big time show? Absolutely. I was responding to posts saying Golden Lovers/Bucks was a possible dream match for the All In show. I wouldn't want to see AJ teaming with Shinsuke against the Usos at Wrestlemania, I wanna see AJ in a singles match. That's a massive false equivalency, actually several massive false equivalencies. Firstly because this isn't New Japan's WrestleMania. Sure it's an important show but it is a far cry from their WrestleMania. Secondly, as much as I love The Usos but they're not nearly the draw The Bucks are. Thirdly, when the Golden Lovers were crushing it in DDT and particularly during their awesome feud with Apollo 55 in New Japan The Bucks were simultaneously crushing it in PWG (and had been beforehand in ROH) and I always wanted to see these two teams clash - never once have I had the chance to think that about AJ/Shinsuke vs. The Usos. And finally AJ teaming with Shinsuke would be super random anyway (it'd be cool and on a B-PPV I wouldn't be against it but it'd still be really random), the Golden Lovers reforming is a team with an insane amount of history after plenty of teasing (hell this goes as far back as Ibushi's shot at the title back when AJ was Champ and Omega hesitated to attack him) FINALLY reuniting. This is more like The Shield reuniting (to give it a modern day WWE equivalent) than AJ and Shinsuke randomly teaming up. In fact, to me, The Golden Lovers reuniting is way more exciting than The Shield reunion so yeah it's definitely a dream match for me. To your first point, I was responding to the person talking about the All In show, not Strong Style Evolved. The All In show is for all intents and purposes the Indy Wrestlemania. So that's not a false equivalency. Second, I'd certainly argue about the Usos vs. Young Bucks. I mean the Usos are certainly more well-known and popular, whether that would translate to "drawing" if they were on the indies or whether The Bucks would be draws in WWE is something we can't really know until it happens. And hey if the Golden Lovers reuniting for you is bigger than the Shield, then that's you. But again, I wouldn't want to see Wrestlemania feature the Shield vs. the Usos. I'd want the big singles match.
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Post by eJm on Feb 16, 2018 3:22:24 GMT -5
I’d go as far to say that match would be a major help for the All In event in September because of the money draws involved. But doing it for this show makes a tonne of sense. People would really want to see that? Omega is not a tag team draw to me. Well not usually, no. But you have the Bucks, one of if not the biggest Indy draws in the world right now, Omega being Omega, Ibushi having WWE exposure and wrestled everywhere, the Golden Lovers teaming in the US for the first time in essentially a dream match and the other factors surrounding it. From just the names, sure, might not be a big draw but from a story stand point, it’s got much bigger drawing potential.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Feb 16, 2018 7:52:12 GMT -5
For the record, Omega’s biggest run has been as a tag team guy
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Post by honsou on Feb 16, 2018 8:24:02 GMT -5
Golden Lovers reunions seems to be a bigger deal in Japan because a lot more of the fans know the history. The crowd reaction for them getting back together was utterly ridiculous. When they have tag matches against others it will still get over big time in the States because they're still two of the most talented wrestlers in the world
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 16, 2018 8:41:44 GMT -5
For the record, Omega’s biggest run has been as a tag team guy What does "biggest" even mean? He became a superstar and well-known because of his 2017 singles run.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Feb 16, 2018 10:01:38 GMT -5
That's a massive false equivalency, actually several massive false equivalencies. Firstly because this isn't New Japan's WrestleMania. Sure it's an important show but it is a far cry from their WrestleMania. Secondly, as much as I love The Usos but they're not nearly the draw The Bucks are. Thirdly, when the Golden Lovers were crushing it in DDT and particularly during their awesome feud with Apollo 55 in New Japan The Bucks were simultaneously crushing it in PWG (and had been beforehand in ROH) and I always wanted to see these two teams clash - never once have I had the chance to think that about AJ/Shinsuke vs. The Usos. And finally AJ teaming with Shinsuke would be super random anyway (it'd be cool and on a B-PPV I wouldn't be against it but it'd still be really random), the Golden Lovers reforming is a team with an insane amount of history after plenty of teasing (hell this goes as far back as Ibushi's shot at the title back when AJ was Champ and Omega hesitated to attack him) FINALLY reuniting. This is more like The Shield reuniting (to give it a modern day WWE equivalent) than AJ and Shinsuke randomly teaming up. In fact, to me, The Golden Lovers reuniting is way more exciting than The Shield reunion so yeah it's definitely a dream match for me. To your first point, I was responding to the person talking about the All In show, not Strong Style Evolved. The All In show is for all intents and purposes the Indy Wrestlemania. So that's not a false equivalency. Second, I'd certainly argue about the Usos vs. Young Bucks. I mean the Usos are certainly more well-known and popular, whether that would translate to "drawing" if they were on the indies or whether The Bucks would be draws in WWE is something we can't really know until it happens. And hey if the Golden Lovers reuniting for you is bigger than the Shield, then that's you. But again, I wouldn't want to see Wrestlemania feature the Shield vs. the Usos. I'd want the big singles match. Well, I thought I was the only one to use the term dream match prior to your post and I was talking about SSE but that is pretty irrelevant. If it were All In we were referring to I'd be even more insistent on not comparing this to WrestleMania. Sure Cody, The Bucks et al want to make it the biggest show they possibly can to sell those 10,000 tickets but this is still an indie show. If anything this is gonna be closer to a PWG show than anything New Japan or WWE do, a super indie card full of the aforementioned dream matches. Golden Lovers/Bucks is absolutely something you'd book on that show because you're not going to be able to anything of significance storyline-wise as both New Japan and ROH will want to save that for their actual shows so all you're left with is trying to book the most exciting matches possible PWG sty;e. I'm sorry, like I said before, I love The Usos, they're probably my favourite tag team of the past 12 months or so but they are not the draws The Bucks are, they're just not. Yeah, I didn't say it was for everyone and not everyone - not even all long term puro viewers will think this reunion is bigger than The Shield - but I was trying to create the image of how big Omega and Ibushi getting back together really is and that was the best modern day WWE example I could find. It was more to illustrate the difference between a Golden Lovers reunion and AJ/Shinsuke teaming up, it's comparing apples to oranges. And if you would prefer the big singles match then that's fine (once again I think the WrestleMania example is completely the wrong show to compare it to but we'll roll with it) but I'm sure I'd much rather see The Shield team up this 'Mania to take on some kind of invading stable than Seth, Dean (if he wasn't injured) & Roman all in prominent singles matches. Different strokes I guess.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 16, 2018 10:23:21 GMT -5
The Young Bucks are the biggest indie act in North America. They move tickets, and you could probably pull two notable names out of a hat, set them in a nothing tag match against the Young Bucks, and sell a show on that. Maybe in WWE a tag match would never be the top draw or something that could sell a show, but on the indies and in a world where the Young Bucks are in huge demand, it's all very possible. I doubt the story will drag on long enough for Young Bucks/Golden Lovers to have a question mark on it in eight month's time, but if it was how they sold the show it'd be a big deal.
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