Tim Storm vs. Nick Aldis (Magnus) NWA 2017

[2coldMack is even more baffled]

Dec 10, 2017 0:10:37 GMT -5 Johnny Flamingo said:

Dec 9, 2017 21:47:29 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Lol the belt worn by Harley Race changed hands at the epitome of garbage wrestling.

You couldn't me more wrong about CZW. They are very wrestling oriented and rarely have "garbage" matches anymore. Pretty well rounded company right now.

They are making a pretty big effort to get rid of that reputation.

I mean ,not to shit on you or anything, but you probably shouldn't say that, considering that apparently Storm lost the NWA title on a card that also featured a "Thumbtack Massacre" match between Matt Tremont and Jimmy Lloyd.

[Johnny Flamingo]

Dec 10, 2017 0:24:46 GMT -5 2coldMack is even more baffled said:

Dec 10, 2017 0:10:37 GMT -5 Johnny Flamingo said:

You couldn't me more wrong about CZW. They are very wrestling oriented and rarely have "garbage" matches anymore. Pretty well rounded company right now.

They are making a pretty big effort to get rid of that reputation.

I mean ,not to shit on you or anything, but you probably shouldn't say that, considering that apparently Storm lost the NWA title on a card that also featured a "Thumbtack Massacre" match between Matt Tremont and Jimmy Lloyd.

Not saying they don't have hardcore matches anymore but they are certainly not a garbage promotion or "garbage wrestling". CZW is very well rounded right now and has some really good non-hardcore ring work. Has a little mix of everything.

Even the deathmatch stuff they do now is pretty tame these days.

DJH even said that with their hardcore or deathmatches they are looking for guys who can work and not just hit each other with weapons.

It is possible to have hardcore and deathmatches and not be garbage.

[metylerca]

Dec 10, 2017 0:10:37 GMT -5 Johnny Flamingo said:

Dec 9, 2017 21:47:29 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Lol the belt worn by Harley Race changed hands at the epitome of garbage wrestling.

You couldn't me more wrong about CZW. They are very wrestling oriented and rarely have "garbage" matches anymore. Pretty well rounded company right now.

They are making a pretty big effort to get rid of that reputation.

I think as long as they have Cage of Death, Tournament of Death and other violent, bloody brawls on their big monthly events, they'll never be considered 'wrestling oriented.' Sure, they may have cut down on early 2000's ECW style hardcore, but so has every other promotion out there. They have their niche, and their audience apparently, but when I think of well rounded, the two companies coming to mind are PWG and ROH. There, gimmick matches and violent brawls are saved for blood feuds and anniversary show spotfests, respectively.

Leaving out my dislike for death match style, CZW has a reputation for doing more of that unsafe stuff than any other promotion which runs regularly. You rarely see CZW talent in other televised indies, and vice versa. For every Janela or Lio Rush to come through and wrestle, there's a Masada or Tremont who accentuates the blood-fest style.

To relate this to the Tim Storm v.s. Nick Aldis match, I'm willing to bet their match stuck out like a sore thumb in front of that audience. The NWA title in wrestling lore has long been considered the "wrestlers' championship" (until... well the past 30 years), but when brought up these days, it is usually when reminiscing about Flair, Race, Steamboat and Dusty. I get what that post meant, it is a bit out there seeing the modern day NWA being represented in the promotion where there are yearly trips to the woods for light-tube matches. But hey, if it raises the stock of the championship in any way, that can't really be a negative. Let's just say the National Wrestling Alliance has seen better days. And let's keep saying that, now that Magnus is the dude holding the title.

Tl;dr: they need to give the title back to Kojima.

[kingoftheindies]

Dec 9, 2017 21:47:29 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Dec 9, 2017 21:37:29 GMT -5 andrew8798 said:

Storm lost the title tonight at the CZW show

Lol the belt worn by Harley Race changed hands at the epitome of garbage wrestling.

Yeah...I could say a lot but I like being able to post here, and don't feel it's worth getting yelled at by mods, but needless to say I've become less and less impressed by your posts to the point that I think it's quite clear you don't watch any product of what you comment on.

[Starshine]

I would have thought the best plan would have been to have a heel destroy Storm to take the title and have Aldis later take down that heel for the belt. The way they've done it, it feels like they've given Storm the shaft. Which is a shame since they'd done a lot to make him feel like a real grassroots champion which is unique for 2017.

[honsou]

I just got back from watching the show live, I cannot understate how bad of a match it was. Aldis basically just did a Samoan drop after a 5 minute squash for the pin. The match was unannounced and came out of nowhere since after the Tremont match, Tim Storm came out and was challenged by Tremont, Ethan Page and MJF...before Austin Idol came out to Christmas music to cut a promo on Storm bringing out Aldis. After one of the worst matches I've ever seen live, Aldis cuts a 10 minute long promo about how he would never wrestle here again and hated anyone. Nothing about this was interesting or entertaining in the slightest.

[chrom]

Dec 10, 2017 3:34:03 GMT -5 honsou said:

I just got back from watching the show live, I cannot understate how bad of a match it was. Aldis basically just did a Samoan drop after a 5 minute squash for the pin. The match was unannounced and came out of nowhere since after the Tremont match, Tim Storm came out and was challenged by Tremont, Ethan Page and MJF...before Austin Idol came out to Christmas music to cut a promo on Storm bringing out Aldis. After one of the worst matches I've ever seen live, Aldis cuts a 10 minute long promo about how he would never wrestle here again and hated anyone. Nothing about this was interesting or entertaining in the slightest.

Its like they were attempting an iconic moment but did everything in reverse and was rushed

[thetower52]

Dec 10, 2017 3:34:03 GMT -5 honsou said:

I just got back from watching the show live, I cannot understate how bad of a match it was. Aldis basically just did a Samoan drop after a 5 minute squash for the pin. The match was unannounced and came out of nowhere since after the Tremont match, Tim Storm came out and was challenged by Tremont, Ethan Page and MJF...before Austin Idol came out to Christmas music to cut a promo on Storm bringing out Aldis. After one of the worst matches I've ever seen live, Aldis cuts a 10 minute long promo about how he would never wrestle here again and hated anyone. Nothing about this was interesting or entertaining in the slightest.

Lol seems fitting for the corpse of the nwa

[eJm]

I’ll just flat out say that even if you take away the deathmatches, the talent that CZW has produced in the past few years alone has eroded the garbage wrestling reputation it has. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen, obviously not, but when you produce guys like MJF, Shane Strickland and have a history of giving the world guys like Kassius Ohno and Cesaro, it’s ignorant to say otherwise.

Considering this is CZW throwing the boat out to another brand to help grow relations, the fact that the match sucked how it did was rather disappointing. ESPECIALLY with the build they tried to give Storm.

["Playboy" Don Douglas]

Dec 10, 2017 3:34:03 GMT -5 honsou said:

I just got back from watching the show live, I cannot understate how bad of a match it was. Aldis basically just did a Samoan drop after a 5 minute squash for the pin. The match was unannounced and came out of nowhere since after the Tremont match, Tim Storm came out and was challenged by Tremont, Ethan Page and MJF...before Austin Idol came out to Christmas music to cut a promo on Storm bringing out Aldis. After one of the worst matches I've ever seen live, Aldis cuts a 10 minute long promo about how he would never wrestle here again and hated anyone. Nothing about this was interesting or entertaining in the slightest.

Who booked this shit?

[honsou]

What made it worst is that it was that it came out of nowhere. Even after the promos it seems like it was just setting up for Tim Storm to just have a bunch of matches over the next few months. But just suddenly 3 matches later, there comes Tim Storm out to face Aldis. In front of a crowd who became confused and pissed off that a crappy match like this for the NWA title was happening in front of their eyes.

[Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster]

Dec 10, 2017 3:34:03 GMT -5 honsou said:

I just got back from watching the show live, I cannot understate how bad of a match it was. Aldis basically just did a Samoan drop after a 5 minute squash for the pin. The match was unannounced and came out of nowhere since after the Tremont match, Tim Storm came out and was challenged by Tremont, Ethan Page and MJF...before Austin Idol came out to Christmas music to cut a promo on Storm bringing out Aldis. After one of the worst matches I've ever seen live, Aldis cuts a 10 minute long promo about how he would never wrestle here again and hated anyone. Nothing about this was interesting or entertaining in the slightest.

Honestly what in the blue hell were they trying to achieve with this?.

Because if their goal was make the NWA title look like a pathetic joke, they did a bang up job of doing that.

[Deleted]

Aldis is in this really bizarre place as a talent where people kind of seem to generally recognize he's talented and most people put the blame on the booking for how badly his TNA title run went... and yet at the same time I don't think I can point to a single thing he has ever done that I'd actually consider genuinely good.

[Johnny Flamingo]

Dec 10, 2017 3:53:35 GMT -5 eJm said:

I’ll just flat out say that even if you take away the deathmatches, the talent that CZW has produced in the past few years alone has eroded the garbage wrestling reputation it has. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen, obviously not, but when you produce guys like MJF, Shane Strickland and have a history of giving the world guys like Kassius Ohno and Cesaro, it’s ignorant to say otherwise.

Considering this is CZW throwing the boat out to another brand to help grow relations, the fact that the match sucked how it did was rather disappointing. ESPECIALLY with the build they tried to give Storm.

I think it was an good effort, just didn't get the result they may have wanted. Still, it did plant the seeds for something else down the line if they wish to pursue it.

Dec 10, 2017 1:02:50 GMT -5 metylerca said:

I think as long as they have Cage of Death, Tournament of Death and other violent, bloody brawls on their big monthly events, they'll never be considered 'wrestling oriented.' Sure, they may have cut down on early 2000's ECW style hardcore, but so has every other promotion out there. They have their niche, and their audience apparently, but when I think of well rounded, the two companies coming to mind are PWG and ROH. There, gimmick matches and violent brawls are saved for blood feuds and anniversary show spotfests, respectively.

I don't think CZW wants to completely get away from Deathmatch wrestling or hardcore wrestling. There is an audience that wants that and I think the majority of CZW fans are hardcore/deathmatch fans. Just that they are trying to build there brand as a well rounded company that has a good mix of hardcore and wrestling-oriented matches. I believe they are doing well at presenting that.

I find that in the last 4-5 years CZW has made a strong effort to have good workers in their hardcore or deathmatch style matches.

Also helps to have guys like Dean Ambrose, Kevin Owens and Drew Gulak doing well in WWE.

[thirteen3]

Dec 10, 2017 4:03:30 GMT -5 "Playboy" Don Douglas said:

Dec 10, 2017 3:34:03 GMT -5 honsou said:

I just got back from watching the show live, I cannot understate how bad of a match it was. Aldis basically just did a Samoan drop after a 5 minute squash for the pin. The match was unannounced and came out of nowhere since after the Tremont match, Tim Storm came out and was challenged by Tremont, Ethan Page and MJF...before Austin Idol came out to Christmas music to cut a promo on Storm bringing out Aldis. After one of the worst matches I've ever seen live, Aldis cuts a 10 minute long promo about how he would never wrestle here again and hated anyone. Nothing about this was interesting or entertaining in the slightest.

Who booked this shit?

IIRC Sami Callihan.

[honsou]

I seriously doubt anyone at CZW actually had anything to do with the title change. They probably just allowed it to happen at the show for additional publicity. I put this squarely on Corgan

[eJm]

Dec 10, 2017 7:23:38 GMT -5 honsou said:

I seriously doubt anyone at CZW actually had anything to do with the title change. They probably just allowed it to happen at the show for additional publicity. I put this squarely on Corgan

Yeah, considering the Pearce/Cabana stuff was less to do with the promotion they were in but the NWA completely dicking them around, I can believe that.

I don’t know why they would tease a bunch of potential NWA title matches with popular CZW talents only to have him lose that way to Aldis and have him bury CZW.

[Wilfred]

This is a little disappointing. I would have been ok with another month or two with Storm as champion, I bought into his nice guy act. It'll be interesting to see if Magnus can help get the belt, promotion and himself more over. Maybe Tim got injured and they had to rush it. Still, I will watch and hope they get better.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dec 10, 2017 1:21:59 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Dec 9, 2017 21:47:29 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Lol the belt worn by Harley Race changed hands at the epitome of garbage wrestling.

Yeah...I could say a lot but I like being able to post here, and don't feel it's worth getting yelled at by mods, but needless to say I've become less and less impressed by your posts to the point that I think it's quite clear you don't watch any product of what you comment on.

And I'm not impressed by the bulldozer Matt Tremont and crew. Garbage wrestling has its place in the business, and CZW has grown steadily since DJ bought the company, they actually became profitable.

I just find it funny that the nwa needs CZW more than CZW needs the nwa.

[chrom]

So what's the value of the NWA Title? Less then zero again?