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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 10:00:22 GMT -5
Aldis is in this really bizarre place as a talent where people kind of seem to generally recognize he's talented and most people put the blame on the booking for how badly his TNA title run went... and yet at the same time I don't think I can point to a single thing he has ever done that I'd actually consider genuinely good. He’s Aldis Del Rio.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Dec 10, 2017 10:07:13 GMT -5
Seriously....THIS? I knew Aldis was gonna win it eventually, but in such a sloppy-as-shit squash rematch like this in a place like CZW where the pop wasn't nowhere as good as it should/could be? Truly a strange evening last night for the NWA. All I can say is that I hope Aldis can overcome this (in my opinion) sham of a match and try to finally bring some sense of legitimacy to the title. And thank you Tim for a great reign as champion and for making me a believer and fan of your work.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 10, 2017 10:29:18 GMT -5
Seriously....THIS? I knew Aldis was gonna win it eventually, but in such a sloppy-as-shit squash rematch like this in a place like CZW where the pop wasn't nowhere as good as it should/could be? Truly a strange evening last night for the NWA. All I can say is that I hope Aldis can overcome this (in my opinion) sham of a match and try to finally bring some sense of legitimacy to the title. And thank you Tim for a great reign as champion and for making me a believer and fan of your work. I know Cage of Death is their most important event and gave them the most exposure, but it's weird having Aldis and Storm there when not a single fan in attendance paid to watch them. I wonder why the title change didn't happen in Championship wrestling from Hollywood or another nwa "stronghold". So what's the next step? Having Aldis be the traveling champion?
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Dec 10, 2017 10:33:13 GMT -5
Seriously....THIS? I knew Aldis was gonna win it eventually, but in such a sloppy-as-shit squash rematch like this in a place like CZW where the pop wasn't nowhere as good as it should/could be? Truly a strange evening last night for the NWA. All I can say is that I hope Aldis can overcome this (in my opinion) sham of a match and try to finally bring some sense of legitimacy to the title. And thank you Tim for a great reign as champion and for making me a believer and fan of your work. I know Cage of Death is their most important event and gave them the most exposure, but it's weird having Aldis and Storm there when not a single fan in attendance paid to watch them. I wonder why the title change didn't happen in Championship wrestling from Hollywood or another nwa "stronghold". So what's the next step? Having Aldis be the traveling champion? As of right now brother, that is what it looks like, especially when you notice that there are no NWA promotions around anymore. This is just going to be another wait and see thing from the NWA in how the promotion and championships play out as Corgan takes control. And in all honesty, it can't get any worse than the shape it's been in for the past 20 years.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 10, 2017 10:46:21 GMT -5
I seriously doubt anyone at CZW actually had anything to do with the title change. They probably just allowed it to happen at the show for additional publicity. I put this squarely on Corgan My guess is Corgan too. It really didn’t seem like Sami’s style of booking. I like Corgan, but he’s booked shit like this before.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 10:50:11 GMT -5
I guess that Magnus is going to travel around and talk shit about all of the promotions for bigger heat when he gets back the next time. The problem with that is that the promoters of these promotions probably aren’t going to want to feed any of their top guys to Magnus and help build the NWA Title up unless Corgan pays them off or something, and they still probably won’t want to do it then
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 10, 2017 10:53:24 GMT -5
I seriously doubt anyone at CZW actually had anything to do with the title change. They probably just allowed it to happen at the show for additional publicity. I put this squarely on Corgan My guess is Corgan too. It really didn’t seem like Sami’s style of booking. I like Corgan, but he’s booked shit like this before. Corgan style of booking revolves in trying to out Russo Vince Russo and have MVP blurt out the n word just because.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 10, 2017 10:56:26 GMT -5
I know Cage of Death is their most important event and gave them the most exposure, but it's weird having Aldis and Storm there when not a single fan in attendance paid to watch them. I wonder why the title change didn't happen in Championship wrestling from Hollywood or another nwa "stronghold". So what's the next step? Having Aldis be the traveling champion? As of right now brother, that is what it looks like, especially when you notice that there are no NWA promotions around anymore. This is just going to be another wait and see thing from the NWA in how the promotion and championships play out as Corgan takes control. And in all honesty, it can't get any worse than the shape it's been in for the past 20 years. Well we can't get lower than Tharpe's nwa, or the Dan Severn reign. The traveling champion angle will work for the time being, specially since there's no nwa promotion to speak for. Also having Billy Corgan as the owner doesn't guarantee them any exposure, reading about Corgan and apparently he's hated in the entertainment world and in music.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Dec 10, 2017 11:05:58 GMT -5
As of right now brother, that is what it looks like, especially when you notice that there are no NWA promotions around anymore. This is just going to be another wait and see thing from the NWA in how the promotion and championships play out as Corgan takes control. And in all honesty, it can't get any worse than the shape it's been in for the past 20 years. Well we can't get lower than Tharpe's nwa, or the Dan Severn reign. Hold my beer... Hold my sake...
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 10, 2017 11:08:38 GMT -5
Well we can't get lower than Tharpe's nwa, or the Dan Severn reign. Hold my beer... Hold my sake... .... Man I have never taken a bump in my life, I'm not in shape anymore, and I also became somewhat of a habitual smoker. That being said I think that if I paid Tharpe or Dennis Coraluzzo, about ten grand, they would've made me champion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:42:41 GMT -5
As of right now brother, that is what it looks like, especially when you notice that there are no NWA promotions around anymore. This is just going to be another wait and see thing from the NWA in how the promotion and championships play out as Corgan takes control. And in all honesty, it can't get any worse than the shape it's been in for the past 20 years. Well we can't get lower than Tharpe's nwa, or the Dan Severn reign. The traveling champion angle will work for the time being, specially since there's no nwa promotion to speak for. Also having Billy Corgan as the owner doesn't guarantee them any exposure, reading about Corgan and apparently he's hated in the entertainment world and in music. I disagree 1000% with the inclusion of Dan Severn’s reign. Severn was a throwback to Lou Thesz where the champ was able to handle his business if need be, he defended the title all over America, in Japan,and in Europe. He carried the NWA title with him to the octagon during his UFC fights. He carried the belt and was recognized as the NWA champion on Raw, and he had some really good semi-shoot style grappling matches with Naoya Ogawa. Severn probably did more to raise the visibility of that title in the last 20+ years than anyone. Flat out.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 10, 2017 13:54:57 GMT -5
Well we can't get lower than Tharpe's nwa, or the Dan Severn reign. The traveling champion angle will work for the time being, specially since there's no nwa promotion to speak for. Also having Billy Corgan as the owner doesn't guarantee them any exposure, reading about Corgan and apparently he's hated in the entertainment world and in music. I disagree 1000% with the inclusion of Dan Severn’s reign. Severn was a throwback to Lou Thesz where the champ was able to handle his business if need be, he defended the title all over America, in Japan,and in Europe. He carried the NWA title with him to the octagon during his UFC fights. He carried the belt and was recognized as the NWA champion on Raw, and he had some really good semi-shoot style grappling matches with Naoya Ogawa. Severn probably did more to raise the visibility of that title in the last 20+ years than anyone. Flat out. Severn just focused on MMA when he was nwa champ then in the wwe while he was there the nwa belt was a little more than a prop he carried to the ring. He was never pushed as the nwa champion just as a regular wwe guy. The state of the nwa got so bad that according to Howard Brody, the nwa board was gonna file for bankruptcy and close the promotion before they appeared on Raw. So it's not like Dan Severn drew any type of money. Then during his second reign, the nwa belt was stripped from him because apparently he didn't want to do business and lose it when tna was formed. Dan Severn didn't raise the profile of the nwa like Adam Pearce did. Severn during his first reign almost bankrupted the promotion.
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Post by zero744 on Dec 10, 2017 14:43:47 GMT -5
This is a little disappointing. I would have been ok with another month or two with Storm as champion, I bought into his nice guy act. It'll be interesting to see if Magnus can help get the belt, promotion and himself more over. Maybe Tim got injured and they had to rush it. Still, I will watch and hope they get better. Being there live, it appeared Storm could've possibly broken his wrist on the first move of the match.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 10, 2017 15:43:28 GMT -5
This is a little disappointing. I would have been ok with another month or two with Storm as champion, I bought into his nice guy act. It'll be interesting to see if Magnus can help get the belt, promotion and himself more over. Maybe Tim got injured and they had to rush it. Still, I will watch and hope they get better. Being there live, it appeared Storm could've possibly broken his wrist on the first move of the match. That sucks. Next time I talk with Tim I will ask him about it. Still need to upload a great Storm vs John Saxon taped fist match,was for the NWA North American title.
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Post by zero744 on Dec 10, 2017 16:26:47 GMT -5
Being there live, it appeared Storm could've possibly broken his wrist on the first move of the match. That sucks. Next time I talk with Tim I will ask him about it. Still need to upload a great Storm vs John Saxon taped fist match,was for the NWA North American title. Every move looked really sloppy and dangerous landings.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 10, 2017 17:24:58 GMT -5
It really feels like CZW and Billy and Dave were expecting different things from each other that didn't come to pass. The NWA wanted a large indy stage to have this match, CZW wanted a prestige highlight match. Instead we get a glorified squash before CoD in front of an apathetic crowd that the champ then runs down, and no one walks away better for it.
Ugh.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Dec 10, 2017 17:27:07 GMT -5
It really feels like CZW and Billy and Dave were expecting different things from each other that didn't come to pass. The NWA wanted a large indy stage to have this match, CZW wanted a prestige highlight match. Instead we get a glorified squash before CoD in front of an apathetic crowd that the champ then runs down, and no one walks away better for it. Ugh. Yeah, I think they wanted to have a kind of inverse "Shane Douglas tosses down the NWA title for ECW" moment, and it just didn't land at all.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 10, 2017 17:34:55 GMT -5
Aldis is in this really bizarre place as a talent where people kind of seem to generally recognize he's talented and most people put the blame on the booking for how badly his TNA title run went... and yet at the same time I don't think I can point to a single thing he has ever done that I'd actually consider genuinely good. Agreed with this, and I like Nick. I think he needs the kind of seasoning that, to be fair, he could get in NXT, but there seems to be no interest on both sides. And in regards to CZW, while I'm not a fan, I recognize that they've done a lot to grow their brand while also doing the hardcore stuff. They have their place in the market, but it's not for me. I especially feel like they're a lot sloppier with their wrestling, in a way that could easily cut someone's career short. It's why almost every week you see at least one CZW clip on Botchamania.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 10, 2017 17:36:08 GMT -5
It really feels like CZW and Billy and Dave were expecting different things from each other that didn't come to pass. The NWA wanted a large indy stage to have this match, CZW wanted a prestige highlight match. Instead we get a glorified squash before CoD in front of an apathetic crowd that the champ then runs down, and no one walks away better for it. Ugh. Yeah, I think they wanted to have a kind of inverse "Shane Douglas tosses down the NWA title for ECW" moment, and it just didn't land at all. Even Shane and Scorpio had a really good match leading up to that moment. This sounds like it was a squash match. For a "World" title.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 10, 2017 17:50:28 GMT -5
It really feels like CZW and Billy and Dave were expecting different things from each other that didn't come to pass. The NWA wanted a large indy stage to have this match, CZW wanted a prestige highlight match. Instead we get a glorified squash before CoD in front of an apathetic crowd that the champ then runs down, and no one walks away better for it. Ugh. For starters, they could have announced the match, so that the CZW audience at least knows it is coming. The fact that it just kind of happened out of nowhere only served to hurt it because, as touched on before, nobody paid to see it. Secondly, even if they put the belt on Aldis, they could have done a three way with a CZW talent so the crowd has a home guy to cheer for. Especially with Tremont, Janela, and everyone else issuing their challenges on social media, it would have made sense. Instead, they ran a match with two guys that have zero appeal for this audience, and it sure as shit exposed them.
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