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Post by Germansuplex on Dec 14, 2017 9:50:58 GMT -5
My one regret is that story choices and real life have robbed us of ever seeing Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie reunited on screen. Plus, no one seems to care about Lando. But I do!
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 14, 2017 11:17:04 GMT -5
Just saw it a couple of hours ago.
There were so many twists and turns, and so much unexpected stuff that I'm having problems processing it all... I definitely need to see it again before I can judge it properly. I enjoyed it while I was watching it though, and the 2 hours 40 minutes just flew by.
The stuff with Luke, Kylo Ren and Rey was the highlight. The idea that it was Luke that inadvertently gave Ben Solo that final push to the dark side was surprising. The force bond stuff was interesting, and the whole scene in the throne room was awesome, although I felt it happened too early in the film and should have happened after we had more info about Snoke, Snoke was definitely underused and underdeveloped. I felt that Adam Driver was excellent throughout the whole film, and is probably too good an actor for Star Wars, really.
The rest of the plot, with the Resistance ships and the need for a code breaker, was kinda paper thin though. I liked Rose, her chemistry with Finn, Finn's character development and BB-8 being a boss, but I wish they'd had a better and more important plot line to deal with.
I was fine with most of the comedy. The porgs were cute and only on screen for a few seconds at a time (I loved the scene where they were guilt tripping Chewbacca out of eating them) so I had no problem with them. General Hux's evil extraness and bitching at Kylo Ren was a guilty pleasure of mine too.
I liked Leia's story, but as it was her last appearance I'd have liked more. I know that the film wasn't made with the knowledge it'd be her last appearance so I'm not criticising the movie so much for that, it's just that with hindsight it was a waste.
Luke's story arc was interesting, and Mark Hamill was great. It's not how I would have done it or what I expected, but I think it worked. I like that the force ghost Yoda was the mischievous Yoda we saw in Empire Strikes Back. Luke dying/becoming one with the force (however you want to term that) seemed like a fitting end for him, but with no Leia in Episode IX, I wonder if they'll undo that...
I have no idea where they will go in Episode IX. Nothing really seems set up for it, other than a general good guys vs. bad guys theme. I think that the Resistance, no matter how small and scattered they are, have got this in the bag because Supreme Leader Kylo Ren seems like the worst idea ever for the First Order, to be honest. I don't think strategy is his thing.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 14, 2017 12:28:40 GMT -5
I actually have a feeling that Luke is coming back honestly. Most likely will return as a way to continue trolling Kylo.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 14, 2017 13:20:12 GMT -5
My one regret is that story choices and real life have robbed us of ever seeing Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie reunited on screen. Plus, no one seems to care about Lando. But I do! Colt 45 cares...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 19:02:22 GMT -5
I saw it at it was good. Going to need time to process. There's a few niggling issues with pacing and some of the story choices, but overall I thought this was better than TFA.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 14, 2017 19:17:42 GMT -5
BOM has it doing 220 million this weekend
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 14, 2017 19:42:48 GMT -5
I actually have a feeling that Luke is coming back honestly. Most likely will return as a way to continue trolling Kylo. Force Ghost Luke is inevitable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 21:50:57 GMT -5
Just saw it and yeah, had a lot of fun. I wouldn’t have killed off Luke given the circumstances of it but I can see why they did.
Only real grievance I had with the movie is how dragged out the ending is. Thing has like eight climaxes. Still on the whole damn good. Hoping they have a good hook for Episode 9 though, can’t claim to be too interested in just, “Rey fights Kylo Ren again,” on its own.
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 15, 2017 1:38:30 GMT -5
Just got back. I left the theatre very confused.
As others have said what is the First Orders deal? Why should I care? It's just "stuff and thangs".
Snoke was the biggest disappointment. All that interegue to the character to just have him get punk'd out like that? What a waste of energy.
Phasmas role was probably worse but since she was already a dork from the last movie I didn't care so much. What the hell was even the point of her?
And Leia. That space scene was just silly. Plus god rest her soul but how do they carry on with her character when Carrie Fisher died a year before this movie came out? They had plenty of time to tweak that.
I was very confused by Laura Derns character and her motives but ultimately I just didn't care.
Admiral Akbars death was just mentioned and Nien Nubb probably died but wasn't even mentioned.
The comedy at the beginning was too much like every other big budget movie.
Has anyone else noticed that Episodes VII and VIII have taken place over the course of less than a week?
The good?
Luke was great. Even though he did die (which is the one thing I was against) it was a good death. I'm kinda hoping he was dead all along. But the scenes with him and Rey in the first two thirds were the best parts of the movie.
Rey wasn't as grating and "Mary-Sue" as she was in the last movie.
Yodas scene was beautiful. I'm glad it was original trilogy Yoda and not whatever the hell that was in the prequels.
I remember some stupid news that Disney wasn't going to number these new movies so I was glad it was called "Episode VIII"
The Porgs were not annoying at all.
Overall it felt like they hit reset on the franchise halfway through the trilogy. The whole thing seemed pointless.
It was way to long too.
I'll give it a 7.5/10, and that's not good for a first viewing because the cracks have barely formed.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 15, 2017 1:41:28 GMT -5
it had its pluses and minuses
Plus: - more original than Force Awakens - characters fleshed out a lot better - return of the transition wipes - a lot of cool visuals like the red dust in the final battle - Luke coming to save the day
Minus: - the mysteries surrounding Rey's parents and who is Snoke turned out to be nothing burgers. likewise the "just wait and see, dammit!" argument of how and why Rey is so skilled with the Force without any training was basically answered with "Yeah, we're not touch that. Just go with it" - just like in between Return of the Jedi and Force Awakens, between Force Awakens and Last Jedi there is a whole lot of information that's left out. when last we left it, the Resistance destroyed the Death Star #247 and sent the First Order packing. so how did the First Order take over the galaxy and crush the Resistance, all in the time it took Rey to travel to Luke? - even though i laughed at it, too much Marvel humor. its a severe tonal shift from everything previous in the series. its hard to take the bad guys as a serious threat when as soon as they're introduced Poe punks them out. would Darth Vader be as menacing if when he first appeared in the original the first rebel that came up to him went "Nice helmet. They make you wear that when you ride the short bus?"
On the fence: - the WWII imagery. the bombers in the beginning were so damn slow they were not believable as spaceships, and the clunker aircraft on the salt planet...eh, i just don't know. - the casino, and the whole Benicio del Toro subplot - the ending with the kid holding up the broom like a light saber. on one hand it came across kinda cool as they've inspired hope in the galaxy, on the other hand it looked like it belonged in a commercial hawking Star Wars products. "Feel the Force...with the new Star Wars Swiffer!"
not as good as Rogue One, but better than Force Awakens. actually it was a soft reboot of Force Awakens in lot of way ("They're saying Kylo Ren is Emo Darth Vader? Well we'll just have him destroy his helmet and control his temper for 90% of the movie!")
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Post by Stu on Dec 15, 2017 2:15:39 GMT -5
Just got back and I have mixed feelings about this. I give them credit for sticking to the Empire Strikes Back route and having everyone doing their own thing instead of sticking together and going from point A to point B. Otherwise, I just couldn't come away I watched the best Star Wars film of all time. I remember leaving Rogue One on a major high. This one, however, left me baffled.
Nonetheless, some thoughts and observations.
I would have preferred ending on a cliffhanger instead of that little kid using his Force powers on his broom. A better ending would have been Luke dying as he watches the suns.
I'm not sure how I feel about Laura Dern's character, but dammit did she have one of the best moments with going into hyper space right into the First Order fleet.
You remember how people complained about the prequels' dialogue and how the original trilogy is better because characters spoke like human beings? This one went too far, with people saying "hell" and "bastard."
Didn't like Benicio Del Toro's heel turn. He would've been a decent anti-hero.
Good think the guy took a lick and made it clear they were surrounded by salt. Now no one will make Hoth comparisons. Right? Right?
The entire explanation about how the First Order could track the resistance was anticlimactic.
The porgs are fine, but I'm indifferent toward the crystal foxes, which were only there to help everyone escape.
Surprised they made a big deal about the dice, considering they only appeared once in A New Hope
This falls right behind Rogue One as far as brutality. Every other minute, it seemed like the good guys were getting blown up.
Rey meets Poe and the way they did it was to make you think "Oh yeah, they haven't met." But I guarantee you people are going to use it as a reason to ship them.
Not sure I like a Finn and Rose romance.
Snoke was wasted, as was Phasma. Both had so much to offer.
Was great to see Yoda.
That damn blue milk.
As for trailers, I got Black Panther, Annihilation, Maze Runner and The 15:17 to Paris
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 15, 2017 2:16:13 GMT -5
I promised my son we'd go and see it this weekend and we will but I don't even want to see it again until it comes out on video.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 2:44:57 GMT -5
Rey meets Poe and the way they did it was to make you think "Oh yeah, they haven't met." But I guarantee you people are going to use it as a reason to ship them. Honestly I got the impression that's exactly what the movie was going for. Just the way they were talking in that introduction came off very, I dunno, "These two will be in love by the end of the next movie," to me.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 15, 2017 2:49:06 GMT -5
- just like in between Return of the Jedi and Force Awakens, between Force Awakens and Last Jedi there is a whole lot of information that's left out. when last we left it, the Resistance destroyed the Death Star #247 and sent the First Order packing. so how did the First Order take over the galaxy and crush the Resistance, all in the time it took Rey to travel to Luke? Disney really haven't done a good job of establishing why the First Order are a threat in these movies. The whole point of them is that they were formed by the Empire's most hard-line fanatics, and as such they are far more brutal and merciless than the Empire ever was. They also failed to clearly establish just how big their fleet is in comparison to the Resistance, or even the fact that the rest of the galaxy had demilitarised after Endor, leaving the First Order unopposed after the New Republic leadership was wiped out. I get that Disney wanted to avoid the excessive politics of the prequels and go back to the more simple Empire = Bad, Rebels = Good setup of the original trilogy, but a little compromise wouldn't have hurt.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 15, 2017 3:28:15 GMT -5
Disney just seems to be more worried about happy endings than telling a good well thought out story.
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 15, 2017 3:37:53 GMT -5
I wasn't alive or old enough to see the first three in theatres but my feelings leaving the theatre after seeing all the Star Wars movies:
the Phantom Menace: disgust and rage Attack of the Clones: anticipation Revenge of the Sith: satisfaction Rogue One: emotional exhaustion (the good kind) the Force Awakens: euphoria the Last Jedi: confusion and indifference
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Post by Germansuplex on Dec 15, 2017 4:10:39 GMT -5
Nien Nubb probably died but wasn't even mentioned. Nope, Nien Nunb is alive and well. You see him onboard the Falcon near the end.
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Post by LastCall on Dec 15, 2017 4:25:54 GMT -5
Just saw it. It's late where I'm at, so I'll be brief.
With the biggest criticism of Episode VII being that it was too much like A New Hope, I'm glad episode VIII wasn't just another rehash of Empire Strikes Back.
Both sides were decimated in this one, and you can't really say that there was a "winner" in the end. Plus, Kylo Ren wasn't turned by Rey or even Snoke. Sure Kylo killed Snoke, but only to usurp him. Makes me wonder what's gonna happen next.
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Post by Germansuplex on Dec 15, 2017 4:29:00 GMT -5
I'm glad episode VIII wasn't just another rehash of Empire Strikes Back. You're right, because it also rips off the throne room scene from RotJ.
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Post by LastCall on Dec 15, 2017 4:34:18 GMT -5
I'm glad episode VIII wasn't just another rehash of Empire Strikes Back. You're right, because it also rips off the throne room scene from RotJ. I did get that feeling during that scene, but at least it didn't (mostly) end the same way.
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