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Post by Stu on Dec 15, 2017 14:18:43 GMT -5
I automatically put the original trilogy in the top three, while The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are the bottom two. So the debate is between The Last Jedi, The Force Awakens, Revenge of the Sith and Rogue One. Of those, I'd say the latter two had me more emotionally invested and leaving the theater on a major high. Which means I rank TLJ and TFA toward the bottom, but with a distant lead over TPM and AotC. In the vein of that question... how many people ate a lethal blaster shot from a non-vehicle? Rose shot Phasma but the armor handled it. Some Resistance fighters stunned eachother... but I can't recall if a single soldier got shot and killed unless it involved a vehicle. It's also quite possible my mind is shitty and I'm completely forgetting something obvious. Nope, twas not a single gun battle.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 15, 2017 14:29:00 GMT -5
In the vein of that question... how many people ate a lethal blaster shot from a non-vehicle? Rose shot Phasma but the armor handled it. Some Resistance fighters stunned eachother... but I can't recall if a single soldier got shot and killed unless it involved a vehicle. It's also quite possible my mind is shitty and I'm completely forgetting something obvious. I'm thinking this would be the first episode without somebody directly shooting and killing somebody else. I think you're right. During that scene where Hux discovered that Snoke was dead he went to pull out his blaster and for a brief moment I thought he was going to shoot himself in the head.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 15, 2017 14:32:28 GMT -5
In the vein of that question... how many people ate a lethal blaster shot from a non-vehicle? Rose shot Phasma but the armor handled it. Some Resistance fighters stunned eachother... but I can't recall if a single soldier got shot and killed unless it involved a vehicle. It's also quite possible my mind is shitty and I'm completely forgetting something obvious. I'm thinking this would be the first episode without somebody directly shooting and killing somebody else. I think you're right. During that scene where Hux discovered that Snoke was dead he went to pull out his blaster and for a brief moment I thought he was going to shoot himself in the head. I remember struggling with what I was seeing. Part of me thought that, the other part of me thought he was thinking of capping Kylo's ass if he wasn't dead... but chickened out because he was waking up quickly. I'd have to rewatch the timing of that scene later. Honestly can't remember the order of things that happened in that 10 seconds.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 15, 2017 14:44:03 GMT -5
I think you're right. During that scene where Hux discovered that Snoke was dead he went to pull out his blaster and for a brief moment I thought he was going to shoot himself in the head. I remember struggling with what I was seeing. Part of me thought that, the other part of me thought he was thinking of capping Kylo's ass if he wasn't dead... but chickened out because he was waking up quickly. I'd have to rewatch the timing of that scene later. Honestly can't remember the order of things that happened in that 10 seconds. That is apparently what he was going to do. My thinking went from, "He's going to kill himself" to "he's going to kill Kylo" within 2 seconds. So I guess Hux is the first Imperial/First Order officer type to survive more than 2 movies. The previous record having been held by Admiral Piett. Though I suppose you could argue that Tarkin retroactively survived 3 movies. Speaking of First Order officers, in the scene where Finn and Rose get caught by the First Order, there is a guy wearing a white Director Kenric-like uniform but he didn't seem to have any insignia and instead of a cape and/or hat he had a black holster strapped to his chest. What was up with that guy? He looked interesting.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 15, 2017 14:49:20 GMT -5
Creative had nothing for Chewie.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 15, 2017 14:50:57 GMT -5
Yeah Hux was gonna shoot a helpless Kylo, then it was like "oh, um nevermind.."
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Post by Stu on Dec 15, 2017 14:54:33 GMT -5
So would any of you be willing to survive off of barbecued Porg, blue milk and seafood?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 15, 2017 14:59:00 GMT -5
You hope he had some kinda Force pasteurization powers.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 15, 2017 15:02:39 GMT -5
You hope he had some kinda Force pasteurization powers. I like my blue milk raw and straight from the walruselephanthumanoid titties
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 15, 2017 15:05:40 GMT -5
Creative had nothing for Chewie. At least he got to see Luke and finally got his hug from Leia. When the Porgs were staring at "his getting ready to eat roasted porg" I was confused. My first reaction was "They are totally going to do a cannibalism joke". I was expecting to see Chewie put it on the ground and suddenly the porg's mouths get really big and full of teeth and they eat and enjoy the roasted porg. Then I remembered "Disney"
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 15, 2017 15:08:53 GMT -5
....f***ing Diznee
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 15, 2017 15:45:45 GMT -5
Super spoilers. Just a list of pros and cons for me. Discussion points really. Convincing me that I’m wrong on any of my cons by offering a different way to look at it is actually a help to me because I always want to like Star Wars. I need cleansing from the attempt to ruin the original trilogy with that abomination that was the prequels. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Pros: 1. Got to see Yoda (but see also “Cons” for more on that) 2. Luke. Everything outside of the Yoda interlude, darn near perfect. 3. Force link. New and not out-of-line with the force mythos. Very compelling. Awesome way to forward a story and conflict. 4. Back to Luke. Zero chance to make that death any better than it was done. Straight up original trilogy levels of good. Legendary. 5. A few visuals like the hand-touching that I found iconic. There were lasting visual impressions in several “Pinter moments” throughout the film. 6. Editing. Almost three hours? Pshaw. Did not seem like that long at all. Perfect length for what the movie needed. 7. I like Rose. Good Character dynamic amid the “everyone’s a hero and blood and lineage matters so much more than anything” fiasco this has turned into. 8. See also #7 comment. They didn’t make Rey’s lineage something grandiose and far-fetched that would’ve made me hate the movie and modern trilogy otherwise. I was afraid she was going to be Palpatine’s daughter. I would’ve chewed up my theater seat if that happened. I was braced for something stupid like that to happen. 9. Supreme Commander’s Guard. They’re awesome. I immediately started supplying backstories to them and how they likely may have gotten selected. Totally awesome dudes. Yeah yeah, I know how it ended. But a few of them still looked “strong in defeat.” 10. Loving Driver as Kylo Ren. FTW, I straight up liked just about everything with Kylo Ren this movie. He leapt a few positions in my favorite villain list. 11. Love how they toyed with the idea that Rey might legit be the one to turn. I buy it. She’s got cobwebs in her closet she’s not cleaning up. 12. Arms dealers (with rebels being part of the problem). Nice touch. 13. Benicio del toro. Amazing. 14. Fisher’s daughter being a recognizable character. 15. It was darn pretty. Production design top notch. 16. Snoke’s animation one of the first I’ve not rolled my eyes at. He feels like a real character who’s there to me. And despite the hate for him not being fleshed out or whatever, I’m on the opposite end and I loved him. A real threat and way ahead of everyone in the chess match. Which, to me, makes Kylo’s move even more awesome. I thought it was pretty epic. 17. See #16. Kylo’s turn was actually more evil than he ever had been before. You thought it was for the good, but it was self-serving. Awesome heel move! Snoke is actually probably really proud of him 18. TIE fighters weren’t complete chumps. 19. Leia lives. Yay. Eff you, internet meta-viewers and meta-critics. (Generically speaking, not an address to anyone here.)
Cons: 1. Yoda as a jokester. Something that irritates me (don’t worry, it’s more about me and the way I take it than about any person who says makes the following statement) is hearing “it’s the the old Yoda from Empire. Yay.” No. Flat out no. That jokester routine was just a ruse. He was testing and training Luke. He was playing a role. He drops the “I’m an idiot muppet” routine with sage advice that makes him the greatest Jedi that ever lived, and he does so with perfect timing. He’s not a comedian. He’s wise and I don’t understand why he’s joking around in this movie while Snoke is out there and Luke has pretty much caused the recent surge. Also, Luke isn’t a pupil, so why “bait” him with jokes? In Empire, it was all justified. I totally get the irony in Empire. This just seemed arbitrary and out of place in Last Jedi. Poorly executed. I’m going to have to rewatch it and try to rewrite what is actually going on in my head. Early drafts of that go something along the lines of Jedis not really being on anyone’s side, but on the side of balance and truth. Either way, I need counseling if I’m am to consider that scene canonical. (With the prequels, it’s easy. I’ve already written them off as BS and more of a poor A&E or Lifetime documentary sensationalized version of what actually happened during that period.
2. The Resistance is almost “wiped out.” I don’t understand. Legitimately, not being a passive sarcastic person with that phrase. We are not in the days of the Empire. The Empire was an established force, dominating the galaxy. The rebellion was an underdog movement. Ummm, the First Order, to me, is supposed to be the rebellion in this case. I know they have dominance in some ways, but I think the roles are supposed to be reversed. I can’t buy a fragment of a former Empire growing in such power that they’re able to exterminate a whole establishment in a way that the mighty Empire couldn’t do when they had less to combat.
3. Captain Phasma. Man, I want to love this bad a**. Has all the tools and potential, but for some reason, the Star Wars powers that be want to make Phasma a chump. Ridiculous. I wish they’d bring this character back and even more fury-filled, having been a survivor twice now and possibly even partially maimed by this go-round. Why can Phasma not annihilate a simple storm trooper (Finn) in hand to hand, but an Ewok can? Dumb. Also, I didn’t like exposing the skin. To me, should be a character who fits the “more machine than human” vibe of what darkness does to someone. The person inside the suit having “died” a long time ago is something I would’ve preferred.
4. Despicable Me Minions in the Star Wars universe. I get that we have to appeal to kids. Full support of that. No problem with their inclusion. They overdid it slightly.
5. BB-8. Ok, I hear this fallacy-ridden argument that Rey is a Mary Sue all the time. So completely false. But, if we’re going to make that statement incorrectly defined and stapled to Rey, the better target for it is B.B-8. Totally jumped the shark. 100 percent fine with the premise of lovable kids appeal. An offensive juggernaut in battle? Get that stuff outta here. BB-8, for everything he did right in Force Awakens, became a whole new character in this one and should’ve stayed in his lane. Had way too many “Superman” moments. I’m not sure I can say I’m a fan any longer.
6. Luke thug-swiping his shoulder after onslaught. Huge cringe. Pathetic choice by the director and company. I’ve tried to block it from memory because it’s Rage-inducing pathetic. If I have to see that again, it almost single-handedly makes me want to turn on Luke and hate him. Jedis are not NBA egomaniacal thugs. 7. First order generals being total comic doofs. Tarkin was scarier than Vader at times in original trilogy. We need that, not red-headed geek jokes. I’m supposed to fear first order generals, not point and laugh at them. 8. I found the first order “We can’t attack them” premise bogus. What a loophole filled plot device. Lame. 9. I’m in space, oh wait, yet I still live. I love that Star Wars isn’t Star Trek. So I don’t expect vacuum yadda yadda whatever to fully apply. And I’ve been waiting for Leia’s big moment where she applies Force sensitivity on some big grand scale. This just wasn’t the right fit for me. Takes a whole lot of suspension of disbelief that I’m not sure I’m up for. 10. Much of the casino stuff seemed outside the Star Wars galaxy. Fathiers sequences too. Meh, I guess.
There are more. But I just stopped because I’m on my phone. Gets monotonous.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 15, 2017 16:04:23 GMT -5
On your #6 con... I believe Luke is basically trying to piss off Kylo to come down after him and waste more time. It's completely in character for force users to taunt eachother in order to expose emotional weakness. Kylo's head was totally taken out of the game.
On your #1 con, Yoda has a real sense of humor. He trolls Dooku, mocks Obi Won in front of younglings. Flat out is a dick to Sidius. Him screwing with Luke is in character. It's not ill-meaning. He was basically covering Rey's tracks. Yoda knew the Jedi (and he himself) totally failed a bunch of times. Might as well try something new.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 15, 2017 17:05:46 GMT -5
Yeah Hux was gonna shoot a helpless Kylo, then it was like "oh, um nevermind.." I think they're setting him up to get the "redemption" arc in Episode IX. Everybody was expecting Kylo, but they put a kibosh on that, thankfully. With his disagreeing with Kylo, I think they're setting up Hux sacrificing himself to help the Resistance. My jaw was wide open for about 45 seconds after the lightsaber broke. They broke Luke/Anakin's lightsaber. "I will not be the last Jedi." That is up there with the greatest Star Wars moments. I wanted to high five everybody around me when Luke said that.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 15, 2017 17:51:19 GMT -5
What if Luke becomes one with the Force or something like that?
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 15, 2017 18:06:02 GMT -5
.... I just want to say that about 4 times my brain said "Luke looks like Chuck Norris in these flashback segments and final fight"
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 15, 2017 18:46:44 GMT -5
The Resistance is almost “wiped out.” I don’t understand. Legitimately, not being a passive sarcastic person with that phrase. We are not in the days of the Empire. The Empire was an established force, dominating the galaxy. The rebellion was an underdog movement. Ummm, the First Order, to me, is supposed to be the rebellion in this case. I know they have dominance in some ways, but I think the roles are supposed to be reversed. I can’t buy a fragment of a former Empire growing in such power that they’re able to exterminate a whole establishment in a way that the mighty Empire couldn’t do when they had less to combat. The Resistance is not the establishment. As I said in my earlier post, Disney have done a piss-poor job of establishing the size and nature of the forces in the fight. The Resistance is just a small, private army formed by Leia, who is seen by the New Republic as Che Guevara-type figure. The First Order isn't as large as the Empire, but they outgun the Resistance, while the New Republic has no military whatsoever and no functioning government after the events of Force Awakens, so the galaxy is defenceless and in complete disarray.
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Post by Burst on Dec 15, 2017 18:50:33 GMT -5
I didn't spoil myself at all, so I was able to watch it pretty objectively. I liked it. I knew when I left the theater that people were gonna be PISSED though.
Phasma is so totally not dead. I also wouldn't put it past Snoke to not be dead either, but who knows. I want to see a dark side force ghost already.
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Post by Stu on Dec 15, 2017 19:15:55 GMT -5
Someone remind me of Snoke's ship was completely wiped out or if only half of it was actually destroyed. Sure, it wasn't going to fly anywhere after that collision, but was there a rush to get off?
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Post by Chiral on Dec 15, 2017 19:31:50 GMT -5
I really liked it and thought it had incredible highs, but there is a ton that I really disagreed with. Overall I think TFA was more what I was looking for tonally from this, but TLJ isn't bad by any stretch.
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