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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 14, 2018 20:21:37 GMT -5
I read up on the Pulse shooting a while back and the only social media stuff I recall is the nightclub posting on social media for people to get out and keep running, and snapchats/messages from the hostages in the bathroom begging for help. It was the stuff of nightmares, reading about people who tried to hide and ended up trapped in a tiny room with their killer and no way out. Those are legitimately tragic. But like I said, this girl today said that a lot of people were on their phones snapchatting because they thought it was a joke. There was a shooting on my street ten years ago, gunshots don't sound like movie gunshots. I thought it was somebody hammering working on their house. I worked at a casino, and it's always kind of in the back of your mind that somebody might lose their life savings and then come in with a gun one day. It's a scary f***ed up world we're living in. I wish the "powers that be" (NOT Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara) would finally do something. But I always point to Sandy Hook. They did NOTHING when toddlers were slaughtered. What hope is there for anybody else?
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Post by Kyn on Feb 14, 2018 20:26:31 GMT -5
People offer thoughts and prayers, as a way of saying that we are hurting along with them. I understand that we don't have the same feeling of hurt as they do, but it is a way to show compassion to the families. Not to speak for the person you were replying to, but my take on it is that it's fine and appropriate for private citizens to offer thoughts and prayers (unless it's followed by 12 reasons they should be allowed to keep their collection of assault rifles). The problem is people in positions of power who could make changes to PREVENT this happening again just offering thoughts and prayers. Like, if you're in a direct position to fix something, don't pray to God to fix it. Fix it yourself.
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Post by Kyn on Feb 14, 2018 20:37:58 GMT -5
Those are legitimately tragic. But like I said, this girl today said that a lot of people were on their phones snapchatting because they thought it was a joke. There was a shooting on my street ten years ago, gunshots don't sound like movie gunshots. I thought it was somebody hammering working on their house. (...) It's strange how movies condition us to think certain things sound. If you've ever heard someone begging and screaming for their life in real life, it's not like the movies either. It goes straight up your spine in a way I can't quite describe. Like it hits some primitive nerve that evolution hasn't bred out of us yet. (I actively avoid videos that might have this so I have no idea if you get the same effect watching videos of a tragedy, and frankly, I don't want to know.)
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 14, 2018 20:40:03 GMT -5
People offer thoughts and prayers, as a way of saying that we are hurting along with them. I understand that we don't have the same feeling of hurt as they do, but it is a way to show compassion to the families. Not to speak for the person you were replying to, but my take on it is that it's fine and appropriate for private citizens to offer thoughts and prayers (unless it's followed by 12 reasons they should be allowed to keep their collection of assault rifles). The problem is people in positions of power who could make changes to PREVENT this happening again just offering thoughts and prayers. Like, if you're in a direct position to fix something, don't pray to God to fix it. Fix it yourself. This is exactly what I'm saying. People in power will say it's too soon to discuss possible actions. They say not to politicize the tragedy. But it's the perfect time to discuss actions. As somebody mentioned, this is the 18th shooting in 6 and a half weeks of 2018. These people think thoughts and prayers will prevent these mass murders. These people are assholes.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 14, 2018 20:42:25 GMT -5
There was a shooting on my street ten years ago, gunshots don't sound like movie gunshots. I thought it was somebody hammering working on their house. When I lived in Ohio, I'd hear occasional gunshots in other parts of the neighborhood. They sounded like fireworks to me. An ex-military friend of mine instantly knew the different and would call the cops. I think my cats even could tell - one would growl at the window when she heard them. On topic, a lot of the "Bickering" back and forth is the attempt at a solution, but where do you start when it comes to events like this? The guns are inanimate objects, they don't care so punishing them isn't going to fix anything. IF the shooter survives, he needs to be punished and evaluated. What in his head brought him to this point? Why did the shooter even THINK this was "okay?" What about the parents? Isn't there something the parents could have done to keep their kid from doing this? I don't think ANY parent would want their kid to resort to something like this. Could the school have done more? Schools are in a really weird position where there's only so much they can do. If you expel every kid that makes threats like that, you might get some of the potential ACTUAL shooters but in some cases there will be parents suing the schools saying "My child would NEVER do such a thing!!!" So where DO you start? What can you do to stop this? At least there's conversation, even if it seems muted.
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Post by Kyn on Feb 14, 2018 20:46:33 GMT -5
Not sure how far I can go with this without it getting political, but increased funding for mental healthcare combined with schools actually doing something about bullying would be a massive start at preventing some of the attacks, and better gun control would be a massive start in finding a way to make it more difficult for those so inclined to facilitate the attacks.
(Full disclosure: That said, I'm not American. I know attitudes towards healthcare and guns are very different there to where I live.)
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 14, 2018 20:48:32 GMT -5
Not sure how far I can go with this without it getting political, but increased funding for mental healthcare combined with schools actually doing something about bullying would be a massive start at preventing some of the attacks, and better gun control would be a massive start in finding a way to make it more difficult for those so inclined to facilitate the attacks. I agree with you on the mental health issue. There's plenty of gun laws already on the books, it's a matter of enforcement.
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Post by edgestar on Feb 14, 2018 20:49:28 GMT -5
Not to speak for the person you were replying to, but my take on it is that it's fine and appropriate for private citizens to offer thoughts and prayers (unless it's followed by 12 reasons they should be allowed to keep their collection of assault rifles). The problem is people in positions of power who could make changes to PREVENT this happening again just offering thoughts and prayers. Like, if you're in a direct position to fix something, don't pray to God to fix it. Fix it yourself. This is exactly what I'm saying. People in power will say it's too soon to discuss possible actions. They say not to politicize the tragedy. But it's the perfect time to discuss actions. As somebody mentioned, this is the 18th shooting in 6 and a half weeks of 2018. These people think thoughts and prayers will prevent these mass murders. These people are assholes. I don't think that they will prevent these unfortunate things from happening, but I did off those feelings to the families and friends, just as people have done so for me, when I've had my times of of hardship. I don't think that makes me an asshole, but I do agree that something should be done, to prevent these tragedies.
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Post by PKO on Feb 14, 2018 20:52:58 GMT -5
The worst part about this is that it isn't surprising.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 14, 2018 20:54:08 GMT -5
This is exactly what I'm saying. People in power will say it's too soon to discuss possible actions. They say not to politicize the tragedy. But it's the perfect time to discuss actions. As somebody mentioned, this is the 18th shooting in 6 and a half weeks of 2018. These people think thoughts and prayers will prevent these mass murders. These people are assholes. I don't think that they will prevent these unfortunate things from happening, but I did off those feelings to the families and friends, just as people have done so for me, when I've had my times of of hardship. I don't think that makes me an asshole, but I do agree that something should be done, to prevent these tragedies. I'm not saying you or anybody else are assholes. Again, it's the people in power who give empty sympathy. The parents, friends, and loved ones go to them and practically beg for changes. Like 90% of the country wants common sense gun control. But yet these powerful people say, "Nope. Sorry, don't want to piss off my crazy gun loving voters." 😞
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Post by Kyn on Feb 14, 2018 20:55:39 GMT -5
This is exactly what I'm saying. People in power will say it's too soon to discuss possible actions. They say not to politicize the tragedy. But it's the perfect time to discuss actions. As somebody mentioned, this is the 18th shooting in 6 and a half weeks of 2018. These people think thoughts and prayers will prevent these mass murders. These people are assholes. I don't think that they will prevent these unfortunate things from happening, but I did off those feelings to the families and friends, just as people have done so for me, when I've had my times of of hardship. I don't think that makes me an asshole, but I do agree that something should be done, to prevent these tragedies. I don't think anyone thinks you're an asshole! Unless you secretly have a government position we don't know about. (Is... is that why Dean's disappeared? He's not really injured, you've just appointed him as Edgestar's Minister for Ambrose Appreciation?)
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Post by edgestar on Feb 14, 2018 20:58:29 GMT -5
I don't think that they will prevent these unfortunate things from happening, but I did off those feelings to the families and friends, just as people have done so for me, when I've had my times of of hardship. I don't think that makes me an asshole, but I do agree that something should be done, to prevent these tragedies. I don't think anyone thinks you're an asshole! Unless you secretly have a government position we don't know about. (Is... is that why Dean's disappeared? He's not really injured, you've just appointed him as Edgestar's Minister for Ambrose Appreciation?) Nah, I'm not a political person in the slightest.
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Post by Kyn on Feb 14, 2018 21:03:46 GMT -5
I don't think anyone thinks you're an asshole! Unless you secretly have a government position we don't know about. (Is... is that why Dean's disappeared? He's not really injured, you've just appointed him as Edgestar's Minister for Ambrose Appreciation?) Nah, I'm not a political person in the slightest. Your blood pressure thanks you, lol. Politics is enraging at the best of times. But don't worry; someone offering thoughts and prayers in the way you have done is compassionate, not asshole-ish.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 14, 2018 21:10:17 GMT -5
I don't think that they will prevent these unfortunate things from happening, but I did off those feelings to the families and friends, just as people have done so for me, when I've had my times of of hardship. I don't think that makes me an asshole, but I do agree that something should be done, to prevent these tragedies. I don't think anyone thinks you're an asshole! Unless you secretly have a government position we don't know about. (Is... is that why Dean's disappeared? He's not really injured, you've just appointed him as Edgestar's Minister for Ambrose Appreciation?) If you have him, edgestar, you got some 'splainin to do
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 14, 2018 21:27:05 GMT -5
I hate going on Twitter and seeing the certain hashtags I do that try to spin this certain ways. It's a shame stuff like this ever needs to happen in the first place, but stuff like that just makes it all the more headache inducing...
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Post by chazraps on Feb 14, 2018 21:30:17 GMT -5
I think that’s a pretty gross mischaracterizarion of what happened at both events. But there are people who whip out their phones. Even if you think you're helping by recording the event, get the hell out of there or get moving. With everybody having phones these days, you would hope that people were calling the cops or their parents instead of looking for something to post on facebook. Perhaps that's the quickest way they thought they could communicate with others, look for help, confirm that they're getting out of there, etc.\ You don't know the what and why of their phone activity.
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Post by lionheart21 on Feb 14, 2018 21:32:13 GMT -5
This is exactly what I'm saying. People in power will say it's too soon to discuss possible actions. They say not to politicize the tragedy. But it's the perfect time to discuss actions. As somebody mentioned, this is the 18th shooting in 6 and a half weeks of 2018. These people think thoughts and prayers will prevent these mass murders. These people are assholes. I don't think that they will prevent these unfortunate things from happening, but I did off those feelings to the families and friends, just as people have done so for me, when I've had my times of of hardship. I don't think that makes me an asshole, but I do agree that something should be done, to prevent these tragedies. Nah, you're cool, you've got a good heart, I don't think that way about you or a lot of people that try to send their thoughts to others, it shows that you care. The issue, as mentioned already, is those that have the ability to change things, and yet can't seem to come to a consensus, despite this becoming a regular occurrence.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 14, 2018 21:32:30 GMT -5
Maybe they should halt the production and further selling of the AR-15.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 14, 2018 21:35:02 GMT -5
But there are people who whip out their phones. Even if you think you're helping by recording the event, get the hell out of there or get moving. With everybody having phones these days, you would hope that people were calling the cops or their parents instead of looking for something to post on facebook. Perhaps that's the quickest way they thought they could communicate with others, look for help, confirm that they're getting out of there, etc.\ You don't know the what and why of their phone activity. Again, I'm going off of a few videos from Pulse and the students today saying lots of people got on snapchat because they thought it was a joke. I know social media works a number of ways and can be used for great causes. And I was glad to see people use it at Pulse to get the word out as to what was happening. I just don't understand the people that do or have jumped on facebook or whatever to document it. Get to safety first, and then make your videos and phone calls. And if you're stuck, use it to call for help or record messages. And I agree, chazraps. The AR-15 is the preferred weapon of mass murderers these days. There are military personnel that say this is a weapon of war that has no business on the streets or in civilian hands.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 14, 2018 21:36:54 GMT -5
Maybe they should halt the production and further selling of the AR-15. That might get some to migrate to private collections and get them off the street, but if the actual manufacturer stops making them, someone else will make them and sell them on the black market.
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