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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 14, 2018 21:41:03 GMT -5
I love how gun nuts say they need these assault and military grade weapons for "protection." You get a handgun, shotgun, or rifle to protect your home and family. Who the hell is coming after you if you need a closet full of machine guns?
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 14, 2018 21:44:46 GMT -5
No law abiding civilian would need anything more than a revolver, bolt action rifle, or pump action shotgun.
Those types of weapon would suffice for defence or hunting purposes.
All semi automatic weapons should be banned, along with any device or procedure intended to convert a weapon into semi automatic.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 14, 2018 21:48:15 GMT -5
"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have the guns."
I'm not a "Gun Nut" by any means. I don't own one, but I know how to use one.
And most guns that are part of a crime were stolen or unregistered.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 14, 2018 21:50:19 GMT -5
A general handgun ban would also help. It's the most commonly used gun in gun crimes according to the FBI, and can be easily concealed for criminal use.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 14, 2018 21:52:42 GMT -5
Maybe they should halt the production and further selling of the AR-15. That might get some to migrate to private collections and get them off the street, but if the actual manufacturer stops making them, someone else will make them and sell them on the black market. Which would still make them significantly harder to obtain. Less AR-15s produced equals less AR-15 deaths. It wouldn't completely solve the problem, but put a tremendous dent in it. I don't see how that is disputable.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 14, 2018 21:52:50 GMT -5
Maybe they should halt the production and further selling of the AR-15. That might get some to migrate to private collections and get them off the street, but if the actual manufacturer stops making them, someone else will make them and sell them on the black market. Black Market gun sales already exist, that won't change. Tighter gun restriction on sales of these sort of guns would only make them a preferred option which would still limit overall accessibility. I understand the US has a much different cultural make-up which will always necessitate gun ownership in many eyes. But there's no reason these sort of weapons should be readily available to the public.
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Post by Kyn on Feb 14, 2018 21:54:57 GMT -5
Australia tightened its gun laws and had a huge national gun buy back after the Port Arthur massacre, which by most measures was very successful, so one country at least somewhat disproves the 'if you ban guns, only outlaws have guns' theory. But again, Australia doesn't have the same culture around guns as the US, so I doubt it could be replicated there.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 14, 2018 22:01:46 GMT -5
Australia tightened its gun laws and had a huge national gun buy back after the Port Arthur massacre, which by most measures was very successful, so one country at least somewhat disproves the 'if you ban guns, only outlaws have guns' theory. But again, Australia doesn't have the same culture around guns as the US, so I doubt it could be replicated there. I do remember reading a story about an elderly Australian woman who refused to give up hers, but that's isolated. As I said, if we actually enforced all the laws already on the books about guns some of this would calm down. As to the question about civilians having AR-15s, I'll ask a similar question - why would someone want a car with more than 600 horsepower? It's a VERY dangerous version of a dick-waving contest - something Americans seem to be really good at......
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Post by Kyn on Feb 14, 2018 22:08:44 GMT -5
Australia tightened its gun laws and had a huge national gun buy back after the Port Arthur massacre, which by most measures was very successful, so one country at least somewhat disproves the 'if you ban guns, only outlaws have guns' theory. But again, Australia doesn't have the same culture around guns as the US, so I doubt it could be replicated there. I do remember reading a story about an elderly Australian woman who refused to give up hers, but that's isolated.(...) Yeah, it absolutely depends on the person in question. My dad is your typical 'hands off my guns' farmer who hunts vermin as well as shooting in competitions (clay target). He grumbled about the laws/buyback but did the right thing, which gave me hope that more people would participate than not. He would never commit a crime with the guns in question, but all it would have taken is someone breaking into his gun safe for those weapons to be in the wrong hands.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 14, 2018 22:19:07 GMT -5
Arguing is pointless. Nothing will be done, ever. We have to learn to live with the fact there are more guns than people in the United States. Peoples reaction to these events is usually to become more heavily armed.
First, theres constitutional ways to repeal amendments, that will never happen, and even if it did good luck rounding up 3/4 of a billion guns.
It's the world we exist in. My heart breaks for anyone effected by this shooting but to expect anything to change is just make believe.
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Post by Aboutreika18 on Feb 14, 2018 22:27:13 GMT -5
It will require a huge generational shift before anything is done, I'd be surprised if any progress is made in our lifetimes.
Sandy Hook was the watershed moment where I'm sure a lot of us lost hope of anything changing.
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Post by Ganon83 on Feb 14, 2018 22:28:07 GMT -5
Guns are the genie in the bottle. It would be hard to get rid of them entirely in this country.
I live in Maryland, which has strict gun laws. But I drive to Virginia every day for work and there's nothing stopping me from stopping at a gun show and buying virtually anything I wanted.
Even if there were a complete national ban in this country, criminals would simply turn to the black market for guns shipped in across either border or by boat from the Caribbean. It's part of our identity, this isn't Japan where gun violence is almost unheard of.
There are laws that need to be made that are just common sense. I don't think it's against the spirit of the board TOS by saying I'm all for a federal universal background check law, considering that's an issue that currently has a 90% approval rating in America. But it's going to take a lot more for us as a society to move on from situations like this occurring.
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Post by bootytea on Feb 14, 2018 22:33:29 GMT -5
The issue to me is clearly a cultural one. Problem is, how long does it take to modify a culture to a point where these shootings don't become something that occur every other week? Issues such as the types of medications a lot of these killers are easily given and their effects, or the way these kinds of killings give many killers the notoriety they so desperately wanted.
I really don't think ridding people of weaponry or better arming people are viable solutions.
This really is a tricky subject. My belief is that there needs to be a revamp of the way citizens interact with one another and deal with the stresses of life because it ain't right that massacres such as these are suddenly becoming the norm.
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Post by Dukect on Feb 14, 2018 22:34:41 GMT -5
It's just heartbreaking that these tragedies keep on happing here in the US. And I know this thread is skirting with some of the rules of this form of no politics rule and if anyone wants to continue that conversation hit me up in the DM's. But all I'll say is this, I live in a country with over 320+ Million people in it my question is how would you put good gun control policy and not turn the US into a bigger police state?
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 14, 2018 22:35:07 GMT -5
The issue to me is clearly a cultural one. Problem is, how long does it take to modify a culture to a point where these shootings don't become something that occur every other week? Issues such as the types of medications a lot of these killers are easily given and their effects, or the way these kinds of killings give many killers the notoriety they so desperately wanted. I really don't think ridding people of weaponry or better arming people are viable solutions. This really is a tricky subject. My belief is that there needs to be a revamp of the way citizens interact with one another and deal with the stresses of life because it ain't right that massacres such as these are suddenly becoming the norm. And that's why mental health has to be a part of the equation - sadly, the US sucks at healthcare overall, so.....
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 14, 2018 22:36:29 GMT -5
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 14, 2018 22:45:40 GMT -5
This is where it gets tricky. but at the end of the day, it comes down to the person who actually pulls the trigger.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 14, 2018 22:49:59 GMT -5
It's disheartening that so many believe it's futile to strive for change. It's a fools errand. Not only will nothing be done, but this whole event will be basically forgotten.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 14, 2018 22:56:19 GMT -5
It's disheartening that so many believe it's futile to strive for change. It's a fools errand. Not only will nothing be done, but this whole event will be basically forgotten. Until it happens again, everyone argues for a bit, then moves on. The normalisation of domestic mass killings continues. It rings very hollow when you see the exact same "thoughts and prayers" response as if it's written on auto-pilot every time this happens.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 14, 2018 22:56:35 GMT -5
This is where it gets tricky. but at the end of the day, it comes down to the person who actually pulls the trigger. Agreed. There's no quick or simple fix. I consider myself very lucky to live in a country where gun crime is rare and mass shootings are virtually unheard of (just three, period), but we've also never had guns so culturally ingrained in our society as they are in the U.S., nor do we have a multibillion dollar lobby group fighting tooth and nail to justify its own existence. Any potential change will take decades to even get off the ground, and probably at least a century before anything tangible is achieved.
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