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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 14, 2018 23:00:06 GMT -5
Arguing is pointless. Nothing will be done, ever. We have to learn to live with the fact there are more guns than people in the United States. Peoples reaction to these events is usually to become more heavily armed. First, theres constitutional ways to repeal amendments, that will never happen, and even if it did good luck rounding up 3/4 of a billion guns. It's the world we exist in. My heart breaks for anyone effected by this shooting but to expect anything to change is just make believe. Yes, there are constitutional ways of repealing amendments, but you will never repeal any of the first 10 amendments of the constitution (which are our Bill of Rights) and guns being allowed is our second. However, there are ways to fix things like a ban on assault rifles and some form of gun control like better background checks. I am for that gun control as certain guns should not be allowed to be had by average citizens. Unfortunately, it will take a real change of power for that to ultimately get done.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 14, 2018 23:00:51 GMT -5
This is where it gets tricky. but at the end of the day, it comes down to the person who actually pulls the trigger. Agreed. There's no quick or simple fix. I consider myself very lucky to live in a country where gun crime is rare and mass shootings are virtually unheard of (just three, period), but we've also never had guns so culturally ingrained in our society as they are in the U.S., nor do we have a multibillion dollar lobby group fighting tooth and nail to justify its own existence. Any potential change will take decades to even get off the ground, and probably at least a century before anything tangible is achieved. I recently watched a documentary about how the NRA started as a gun safety council before it "Radicalized" into what we know today. They donate a great deal to DC and mean it when they say "..... and I VOTE!"
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Post by Stu on Feb 14, 2018 23:03:05 GMT -5
Just gonna step in and remind everyone to keep an eye on your comments and not get political. Looks like we have a couple posts that are coming close, but otherwise you're all doing fine.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 14, 2018 23:40:01 GMT -5
Down in my part of Florida, as far as I know all public schools have an armed officer on campus. I think it should be the norm everywhere...for a start at least.
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Post by Shark on Feb 14, 2018 23:48:52 GMT -5
An 18 year old walked into a gun store and bought an assault rifle. Legally. He bought an assault rifle completely legally. Think about the training that prospective cops and military people go through before they are put into the field with guns. Is it really unreasonable to ask that average citizens go through similar training or at least something more than a token background check to obtain a gun? We require people to take tests before they can drive a car, we can't do something similar for a gun?
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Post by Cyno on Feb 14, 2018 23:57:17 GMT -5
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Post by Kyn on Feb 15, 2018 0:23:07 GMT -5
And same contents as always, just with the relevant city/stats changed. I was wondering when this would get updated. That series of articles (or article, I guess, since they only change the key details every new mass shooting) is an indictment of society.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 0:47:56 GMT -5
It's disheartening that so many believe it's futile to strive for change. It's an attitude that annoys me. Nothing changes unless people attempt to change them. This "Well, there's nothing we can do about it." way of thinking is bullshit. There's many things we have now that was once thought to be impossible, but great people worked at their goals and made progress. That's the problem, an inability to do the f***ing work. Everything is an evolving process, but we gotta actually start the process.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 15, 2018 0:48:14 GMT -5
Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo came from that school that suffered this horrible tragedy so he tweeted his condolences.
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Post by Perd on Feb 15, 2018 1:05:55 GMT -5
The “there’s nothing to be done” argument loses steam, when it’s poimted out that this doesn’t repeatedly happen in other countries. I understand that the proliferation of firearms, in this country, makes it a difficult and daunting task. But that’s not an excuse not to try. Kids should not have to fear their school becoming a war zone.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Feb 15, 2018 1:08:43 GMT -5
I'll never understand the culture. I turn 30 this year and I've never even seen a gun outside of TV and movies.
Just f***. How many times does this have to happen? Columbine was nearly 20 f***ing years ago and if anything it's getting worse.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 15, 2018 1:21:04 GMT -5
The “there’s nothing to be done” argument loses steam, when it’s poimted out that this doesn’t repeatedly happen in other countries. I understand that the proliferation of firearms, in this country, makes it a difficult and daunting task. But that’s not an excuse not to try. Kids should not have to fear their school becoming a war zone. Pretty much every pro-gun argument has no steam behind it anyway. Literally every country in the world has bad guys who can get guns illegally and people with mental health problems. What every country in the world - except for America - doesn't have is mass shootings on a daily basis. Now the big call going round from the pro-gun camp is making armed teachers mandatory. Is this some kind of sick joke? Do they not realise how backwards that sounds?
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Post by Perd on Feb 15, 2018 1:28:29 GMT -5
The “there’s nothing to be done” argument loses steam, when it’s poimted out that this doesn’t repeatedly happen in other countries. I understand that the proliferation of firearms, in this country, makes it a difficult and daunting task. But that’s not an excuse not to try. Kids should not have to fear their school becoming a war zone. Pretty much every pro-gun argument has no steam behind it anyway. Literally every country in the world has bad guys who can get guns illegally and people with mental health problems. What every country in the world - except for America - doesn't have is mass shootings on a daily basis. Now the big call going round from the pro-gun camp is making armed teachers mandatory. Is this some kind of sick joke? Do they not realise how backwards that sounds? Yeah, I saw that arming teachers thing. Just pure idiocy.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 15, 2018 1:39:00 GMT -5
Swipe card access on all doors. All external doors open only if a metal detector shows a negative scan.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 15, 2018 1:43:08 GMT -5
Pretty much every pro-gun argument has no steam behind it anyway. Literally every country in the world has bad guys who can get guns illegally and people with mental health problems. What every country in the world - except for America - doesn't have is mass shootings on a daily basis. Now the big call going round from the pro-gun camp is making armed teachers mandatory. Is this some kind of sick joke? Do they not realise how backwards that sounds? Yeah, I saw that arming teachers thing. Just pure idiocy. People making that argument seem to be under the impression the average teacher will be John McClane when under fire and not that guy in World War Z who accidentally shot himself in the face in a panic. Even the police - who have far more extensive and frequent gun training than a teacher ever will - can't seem to go a week without killing an unarmed person because they feel threatened. Introducing armed teachers is just an insane idea.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 15, 2018 1:44:08 GMT -5
It's disheartening that so many believe it's futile to strive for change. It's an attitude that annoys me. Nothing changes unless people attempt to change them. This "Well, there's nothing we can do about it." way of thinking is bullshit. There's many things we have now that was once thought to be impossible, but great people worked at their goals and made progress. That's the problem, an inability to do the f***ing work. Everything is an evolving process, but we gotta actually start the process. Yeah, look at drunk driving. It still happens way too much, but there's been steps taken to decrease it. Penalties for driving drunk have gotten harsher, cops have been cracking down more, more cities have a free public transportation system that will take people from the bars to their home, if there's a group of people and one is the designated driver, bars will keep that person in free soda all night. There's been steps taken, like I said, it still happens way too f***ing much, but there's been things done. With gun violence, the attitude is "Well, we can't stop it completely, so let's not even try."
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Post by sfvega on Feb 15, 2018 2:09:09 GMT -5
The “there’s nothing to be done” argument loses steam, when it’s poimted out that this doesn’t repeatedly happen in other countries. I understand that the proliferation of firearms, in this country, makes it a difficult and daunting task. But that’s not an excuse not to try. Kids should not have to fear their school becoming a war zone. Pretty much every pro-gun argument has no steam behind it anyway. Literally every country in the world has bad guys who can get guns illegally and people with mental health problems. What every country in the world - except for America - doesn't have is mass shootings on a daily basis. Now the big call going round from the pro-gun camp is making armed teachers mandatory. Is this some kind of sick joke? Do they not realise how backwards that sounds? The key to stopping tragic actions is the same action. Like how the key to preventing arson is arming everyone with a torch.
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Post by Fade on Feb 15, 2018 2:35:27 GMT -5
Down in my part of Florida, as far as I know all public schools have an armed officer on campus. I think it should be the norm everywhere...for a start at least. Definitely agree with this.
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Post by Kyn on Feb 15, 2018 2:38:30 GMT -5
People making that argument seem to be under the impression the average teacher will be John McClane when under fire and not that guy in World War Z who accidentally shot himself in the face in a panic. Even the police - who have far more extensive and frequent gun training than a teacher ever will - can't seem to go a week without killing an unarmed person because they feel threatened. Introducing armed teachers is just an insane idea. Especially around teenagers whose impulse control centre isn't fully developed yet. You just know this ends with some poor teacher getting shot with their own gun, by a teen who gets hold of it in the heat of the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 4:20:13 GMT -5
I tweeted about how we need to do something to stop these attacks in the future, and someone called me a psycho, and said that apparently me and people of my ilk are killing the kids.
That’s the level of discourse you get with people if you even suggest that there’s a problem that needs fixing. This is not a political issue or us versus them. It’s about saving lives.
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