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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 15, 2018 4:35:22 GMT -5
I tweeted about how we need to do something to stop these attacks in the future There's your first problem. I wouldn't seek civil discourse on Twitter.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 15, 2018 5:57:36 GMT -5
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Feb 15, 2018 8:25:35 GMT -5
Down in my part of Florida, as far as I know all public schools have an armed officer on campus. I think it should be the norm everywhere...for a start at least. Definitely agree with this. There were two armed security guards at Columbine. They even traded shots with the assailants. Didn’t do much good there.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 15, 2018 8:53:16 GMT -5
Definitely agree with this. There were two armed security guards at Columbine. They even traded shots with the assailants. Didn’t do much good there. One was a guard who was a 15-year police veteran and the other was actually a cop who happened to be within earshot of the gunfire. Probably the two best people you'd want in the scene, and the reality of the situation meant neither could do more than irritate one of the shooters without putting further innocent lives at risk.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 15, 2018 9:31:45 GMT -5
There's an issue with the sheer number of guns that becomes a problem. It's estimated that there are more guns than people in America if that's the case and there's 600 million people in America than it only takes a fraction of a percentage of those guns to be used to kill before the death rate is high.
I grew up in the suburbs south of Boston if I wanted to I could find a gun as a kid... I could find any drug I wanted. It's access that's a huge problem.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 15, 2018 9:41:20 GMT -5
The reality is that there is not anything that can be done to stop it, nothing will be done to stop it, and if you want to live in a country without mass school shootings your best bet is to move.
If it were easy to do so, I'd have left a long time ago.
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Post by Killah Ray on Feb 15, 2018 9:42:48 GMT -5
Swipe card access on all doors. All external doors open only if a metal detector shows a negative scan. A lot of schools can't afford books. No way something like that is made mandatory.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 9:44:12 GMT -5
It's estimated that there are more guns than people in America if that's the case and there's 600 million people in America than it only takes a fraction of a percentage of those guns to be used to kill before the death rate is high. Last census had the U.S. Population at 323.1 million.
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Post by lionheart21 on Feb 15, 2018 9:45:26 GMT -5
The “there’s nothing to be done” argument loses steam, when it’s poimted out that this doesn’t repeatedly happen in other countries. I understand that the proliferation of firearms, in this country, makes it a difficult and daunting task. But that’s not an excuse not to try. Kids should not have to fear their school becoming a war zone. Pretty much every pro-gun argument has no steam behind it anyway. Literally every country in the world has bad guys who can get guns illegally and people with mental health problems. What every country in the world - except for America - doesn't have is mass shootings on a daily basis. Now the big call going round from the pro-gun camp is making armed teachers mandatory. Is this some kind of sick joke? Do they not realise how backwards that sounds? Not to mention the cost. Giving a teacher a gun, ammo, gun training and most likely hazard pay. Where do they think that money will have to come from?
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 15, 2018 9:46:03 GMT -5
It's estimated that there are more guns than people in America if that's the case and there's 600 million people in America than it only takes a fraction of a percentage of those guns to be used to kill before the death rate is high. Last census had the U.S. Population at 323.1 million. Sorry had originally said 400 MIL. not sure why I edited it. Point still stands.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 9:49:34 GMT -5
Pretty much every pro-gun argument has no steam behind it anyway. Literally every country in the world has bad guys who can get guns illegally and people with mental health problems. What every country in the world - except for America - doesn't have is mass shootings on a daily basis. Now the big call going round from the pro-gun camp is making armed teachers mandatory. Is this some kind of sick joke? Do they not realise how backwards that sounds? Not to mention the cost. Giving a teacher a gun, ammo, gun training and most likely hazard pay. Where do they think that money will have to come from? What do you do for substitute teachers that find out where they're working for the day about two hours before the school day starts?
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 15, 2018 9:51:50 GMT -5
Not to mention the cost. Giving a teacher a gun, ammo, gun training and most likely hazard pay. Where do they think that money will have to come from? What do you do for substitute teachers that find out where they're working for the day about two hours before the school day starts? I guess they just need rapid deployment training like the US troops on the DMZ
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Post by lionheart21 on Feb 15, 2018 9:52:33 GMT -5
I tweeted about how we need to do something to stop these attacks in the future, and someone called me a psycho, and said that apparently me and people of my ilk are killing the kids. That’s the level of discourse you get with people if you even suggest that there’s a problem that needs fixing. This is not a political issue or us versus them. It’s about saving lives. Sadly, this is where my mindset comes from.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Feb 15, 2018 10:02:24 GMT -5
My wife and I were discussing this last night. We feel so helpless, because nothing will change. We can't have a discussion in this country about guns without people throwing a fit about "ma guns". We can't have a mental health discussion, because that make us all socialists. You know a couple of people hijack planes and we gladly go through security scans at the airport. One idiot tries to bring a shoe bomb and we all have to take off our shoes. This is what the 17th shooting to take place in a school this year? Not to mention what happened in Vegas last year.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 15, 2018 10:09:30 GMT -5
By the way, as much as I like to say with these that "don't name the asshole or show his photo, it's doing what he wants", there's currently intentionally false information being spread on Facebook to maliciously gravestand, so find out the right details from the News or Wikipedia or something, so you know which pages to block from your feed.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 15, 2018 10:35:11 GMT -5
There were two armed security guards at Columbine. They even traded shots with the assailants. Didn’t do much good there. One was a guard who was a 15-year police veteran and the other was actually a cop who happened to be within earshot of the gunfire. Probably the two best people you'd want in the scene, and the reality of the situation meant neither could do more than irritate one of the shooters without putting further innocent lives at risk. Like I said...just for starters. Another problem to solve is preventing heavily armed assholes from gaining access to heavily populated student areas. That makes it easier to engage the bastards. I just went to visit my father a little while ago at the high school he works at that’s also my alma mater. Not only is there an armed officer on duty...but the school is locked down during school hours. There’s also security roaming the premises. It all comes down to what security measures that schools can afford too...unfortunately.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 15, 2018 11:15:28 GMT -5
Swipe card access on all doors. All external doors open only if a metal detector shows a negative scan. A lot of schools can't afford books. No way something like that is made mandatory. I get its a costly initiative, but a rollout scheme, maybe government subsidised, isn't out of the question. However my thinking on this veers into politics so will say no more.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Feb 15, 2018 11:25:50 GMT -5
I always love the suggestion that the answer to gun-crime is more guns.
That's like me suggesting that the best way to stop me getting electrocuted is to install more dangerous wiring and place more electrical hazards in my house.
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Post by LexExpress on Feb 15, 2018 11:30:30 GMT -5
As stated in many posts already, it's difficult to see how the debate will ever move on to action being taken. I think over here especially, we thought Sandy Hook would be America's Dunblane and lead to massive changes, and when that didn't happen, it made it "business as usual" when a mass shooting happens. Quick primer on UK gun law: twitter.com/easypoliticsUK/status/964134019335155713
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Post by lionheart21 on Feb 15, 2018 11:40:48 GMT -5
Just learned today, the high school football coach that used himself as a human shield and sacrificed himself to protect kids from gunfire, I know a buddy of his. Makes this situation even worse to me now, personally knowing somebody that's been hurt fro this.
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