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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 11, 2018 10:17:46 GMT -5
I like the first Captain America and Iron Man movies and that's basically it. I haven't seen Black Panther. For the most part I prefer stand alone superhero movies. I'm not a fan of the "let's all team up to fight a giant CGI thing" format. Too many characters, especially shit ones like Black Widow, the Other Olsen Sister, Man With Wings, Arrow Shooting Man, and Whatever Paul Bettany Is Supposed To Be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 11:53:21 GMT -5
Sorry, can't get behind Falcon being a shit character.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Mar 11, 2018 18:41:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I think Anthony Mackie's knocked it out of the park in every movie he's appeared in so far and I hope he's a big part of the post-Infinity War phase.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 11, 2018 20:11:18 GMT -5
Great, enjoy. Personally, I think they are perfect go home happy movies. Cool effects, fun ride, general entertainment. You know what you are getting into when you go to them, and they don't rely on crappy humor or weird jingoistic or machismo bs like Bay or Fast and Furious movies. But if you would like to grumble, enjoy. I think there are many more deserving cinematic subjects for ire, but to each their own. I actually enjoy grumbling. It makes feel great. But, I still stand by what I said; it's hard to be with a different mindset. The Internet is such a hivemind instead of an open forum that you get crapped on for opinions like this. Hell, that happened because I said I prefer the Prequels over the Sequels (notice a trend?). It's more a case of: "Honestly, who cares?" It's not to knock you specifically, but anyone posting: "I don't like a popular thing" doesn't really lend to much of a discussion beyond- "ok then".
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Post by Cyno on Mar 11, 2018 20:21:03 GMT -5
Most of the replies have been a polite version of "Who cares what movies you like?". No one's called you history's greatest monster because you don't like Guardians of the Galaxy. And if you started another similar thread about Star Wars, I think the trend is more about you than the Internet. I think it's a credit to the posters here that such obvious flamebait hasn't actually baited any flames.
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Post by Malibu Stacy on Mar 11, 2018 20:29:47 GMT -5
I'd say that the first Iron Man, the first Captain America,and both Guardians films work as stand-alones. They have tie-ins to the whole universe, but can also be watched without having to see the other films. And the first Thor, Incredible Hulk, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and Black Panther. To be honest, a lot of the "it's all connected" stuff is overblown. Most of the solo movies are pretty self-contained are only tangentially linked to any other movie. There's some exceptions - Civil War would be pretty incomprehensible if the viewer hadn't seen Age of Ultron and Winter Soldier, for example - but the average viewer going in blind can easily follow just about any entry into the franchise. Hell, I skipped over AoU myself and was still able to enjoy Civil War no probs. Though I do agree about Winter Solider
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 11, 2018 20:38:40 GMT -5
And the first Thor, Incredible Hulk, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and Black Panther. To be honest, a lot of the "it's all connected" stuff is overblown. Most of the solo movies are pretty self-contained are only tangentially linked to any other movie. There's some exceptions - Civil War would be pretty incomprehensible if the viewer hadn't seen Age of Ultron and Winter Soldier, for example - but the average viewer going in blind can easily follow just about any entry into the franchise. Hell, I skipped over AoU myself and was still able to enjoy Civil War no probs. Though I do agree about Winter Solider Incomprehensible was a bit of hyperbole, but of all the movies in the MCU that's really the only one which is a direct follow on from a previous movie.
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Post by The Barber on Mar 11, 2018 21:44:29 GMT -5
I (somewhat) enjoyed Return Of The Jedi. What ruined Star Wars for me was the fandom. They make those movies seem like this giant epitome of cinema and I'm like...*shrug*. Nothing wrong with that, but... take it down a notch, people! Yeah some fans can be really OTT. These guys get it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 13:01:20 GMT -5
I actually enjoy grumbling. It makes feel great. But, I still stand by what I said; it's hard to be with a different mindset. The Internet is such a hivemind instead of an open forum that you get crapped on for opinions like this. Hell, that happened because I said I prefer the Prequels over the Sequels (notice a trend?). It's more a case of: "Honestly, who cares?" It's not to knock you specifically, but anyone posting: "I don't like a popular thing" doesn't really lend to much of a discussion beyond- "ok then". I know that, but that's where my insecurities come into play. At least this thread has been really interesting with the topic on the franchise, but my base point remains.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Mar 17, 2018 21:14:47 GMT -5
Plenty of them are skippable if you don't want a massive continuity lockout. Cap 1 and Hulk can pretty much just be skipped for their explanations at the start of Avengers. Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 have no impact on anything For Civil War, Ant Man can just be waved away as another "I know a guy" like Spiderman was. Thor 2 in particular is amazing in that the mid-credits scene (establishing The Collector and the existence of the b Infinity Stones) actually has more weight in the grand scheme of the MCU than the film itself did. While we're at it, fun as it was, Homecoming was the cinematic equivalent of a filler episode. I enjoyed it, but in the grand scheme, also completely skippable.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Mar 17, 2018 22:11:05 GMT -5
They're hit or miss, mostly hit for me.
Guardians 2 was just god-awful. As was Doctor Strange, Iron Man 2 and 3 (3 I couldn't even finish). Avengers 2 was astonishingly bad as well.
But the good is very very good. but after being burned by Doctor Strange and Avengers 2 in the theaters, I never go to opening night stuff anymore.
As for hating Disney, I absolutely loathe Disney, mostly the person that people choose to ignore, but I admire that they can make a George Lucas movie better than George Lucas, whom I lost a ton of respect for.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 17, 2018 22:14:49 GMT -5
Plenty of them are skippable if you don't want a massive continuity lockout. Cap 1 and Hulk can pretty much just be skipped for their explanations at the start of Avengers. Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 have no impact on anything For Civil War, Ant Man can just be waved away as another "I know a guy" like Spiderman was. Thor 2 in particular is amazing in that the mid-credits scene (establishing The Collector and the existence of the b Infinity Stones) actually has more weight in the grand scheme of the MCU than the film itself did. While we're at it, fun as it was, Homecoming was the cinematic equivalent of a filler episode. I enjoyed it, but in the grand scheme, also completely skippable. Really the only thing it does continuity wise that can't just be done by a throwaway line or two is humanise Tony again after he spent the whole of Civil War being an asshat.
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Post by Goldenbane on Mar 18, 2018 1:39:17 GMT -5
Thor 2 in particular is amazing in that the mid-credits scene (establishing The Collector and the existence of the b Infinity Stones) actually has more weight in the grand scheme of the MCU than the film itself did. While we're at it, fun as it was, Homecoming was the cinematic equivalent of a filler episode. I enjoyed it, but in the grand scheme, also completely skippable. Really the only thing it does continuity wise that can't just be done by a throwaway line or two is humanise Tony again after he spent the whole of Civil War being an asshat. I thought Tony got better towards the end of the movie, but overall I felt like he was a complete dickwad during the whole movie. "What??? There's this kid who can benchpress a bus over his head, anticipate danger before it happens, and fast enough to dodge gunfire at point black range? Pft, whatever, let my doofus idiot know nothing driver/body guard/whatever the hell Happy is in this continuity handle it. I've got so many better things to do, like...and...um...yeah, I'm just going to be over there." I get it, he's a billionaire genius super hero, but at least get another super hero to mentor Spidey, or a SHIELD agent or something! Not friggin' Happy!
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 18, 2018 2:11:13 GMT -5
Really the only thing it does continuity wise that can't just be done by a throwaway line or two is humanise Tony again after he spent the whole of Civil War being an asshat. I thought Tony got better towards the end of the movie, but overall I felt like he was a complete dickwad during the whole movie. "What??? There's this kid who can benchpress a bus over his head, anticipate danger before it happens, and fast enough to dodge gunfire at point black range? Pft, whatever, let my doofus idiot know nothing driver/body guard/whatever the hell Happy is in this continuity handle it. I've got so many better things to do, like...and...um...yeah, I'm just going to be over there." I get it, he's a billionaire genius super hero, but at least get another super hero to mentor Spidey, or a SHIELD agent or something! Not friggin' Happy! I think that was Tony's own character development of "Hi, still trying out 50 different ways to do this father figure thing while also probably busy doing security council stuff off screen" and not really being good at it until later on.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 18, 2018 3:04:59 GMT -5
I get it, he's a billionaire genius super hero, but at least get another super hero to mentor Spidey, or a SHIELD agent or something! Not friggin' Happy! Had they not banished him to TV that would've been a good spot for Coulson.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 18, 2018 3:30:41 GMT -5
After three movies Idris Elba should have a bigger role Idris Elba should have had a bigger role, period.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 18, 2018 5:53:43 GMT -5
Still felt Guardians 2 was a good movie that kind of suffered due to trying to pack too many character arcs into it, but still, found this online and gonna drop this right here...
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Post by Cyno on Mar 18, 2018 11:50:57 GMT -5
I get it, he's a billionaire genius super hero, but at least get another super hero to mentor Spidey, or a SHIELD agent or something! Not friggin' Happy! Had they not banished him to TV that would've been a good spot for Coulson. Funny thing was that Coulson was Peter's principal in one of the more recent Spidey cartoons.
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Post by Goldenbane on Mar 18, 2018 12:09:53 GMT -5
Had they not banished him to TV that would've been a good spot for Coulson. Funny thing was that Coulson was Peter's principal in one of the more recent Spidey cartoons. I'm not the hugest fan of Spidey being under SHIELD's thumb (I grew up with radically independent hot headed Peter Parker) but if we're going to go that route, I like that,and would have preferred something like that for the movie too. Maybe not as his principal...that's going a little to far...but Coulson as a mentor figure in some other way would have been fun.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 18, 2018 13:23:28 GMT -5
It worked out in the cartoon fairly well. Also helped that Clark Gregg voiced Coulson in the cartoon instead of a soundalike.
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