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Post by Display Name on Sept 9, 2019 3:05:10 GMT -5
can't stop singing the song Pennywise sings (you know which one if you've seen the movie) I just saw it Saturday night and I honestly can’t remember ha. I thought it was good. Preferred Chapter 1 though. Speaking of songs, anyone else think that 5 second snippet of “Angel Of The Morning” was weird as f***?
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Post by hassanchop on Sept 9, 2019 4:34:38 GMT -5
Watched and loved it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I was hoping for something a bit more grotesque with his spider form. In the book the imagery revolving around the concept was so horrifying and formless that I had chills reading it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Richie breaking down over Eddie made me feel for him in the worst way. Much like in the book Eddie died alone in a horrible, desolate, and hellish domain with no one to take him away from that area. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}In regards to that scene with Richie breaking down over Eddie, Muschetti has revealed that Richie was in fact in love with Eddie. There are hints of it in the book, and that scene with Bowers' cousin where he offers another game of SF, because he likes him even if he is unsure why, and then gets insulted out of the arcade.
I can't believe it was not that obvious to me (even with the "dirty little secret" which made me think something else for some reason, but I honestly thought up until the carving that Richie's crying was about wishing he hadn't been such a smart-ass and not antagonized (as playful as it was) his best friend as much). {Spoiler}Wasn't that also slightly hinted in the 1990s version?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 5:19:16 GMT -5
Made nowhere near as much money on its opening weekend as the first one - $92 million compared to $123 million - but that's still absolutely massive for horror and it made like three times its budget worldwide so it's not exactly a failure.
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Post by Scooterdust on Sept 9, 2019 12:58:54 GMT -5
Watched and loved it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}In regards to that scene with Richie breaking down over Eddie, Muschetti has revealed that Richie was in fact in love with Eddie. There are hints of it in the book, and that scene with Bowers' cousin where he offers another game of SF, because he likes him even if he is unsure why, and then gets insulted out of the arcade.
I can't believe it was not that obvious to me (even with the "dirty little secret" which made me think something else for some reason, but I honestly thought up until the carving that Richie's crying was about wishing he hadn't been such a smart-ass and not antagonized (as playful as it was) his best friend as much). {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Wasn't that also slightly hinted in the 1990s version?
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The Stan's head scene, where Pennywise makes a crack about Richie having a nose job. He calles Eddie 'Wheezy,' not Richie, and this basically seems like a crack at the fact that Eddie in this miniseries still lived with his mother as opposed to being married (like in the book and this film), so it's assumed he has no sex life. It's Richie who had the secret, not Eddie. The 91' series portrayed it more like a comedy duo type of friendship than anything, but at the end of that, Richie finds an actor who apparently looks very much like Eddie, and they become a comedy team and even that, to me anyway, would be considered a stretch to imply, given the state of the world about something like that at the time, not to mention the censors, and the adaptation of the material for it to fit prime time on ABC. I don't know why I said so much about this. Put it this way, in the book, it's subtle, in this movie, it's subtler but becomes obvious, and in the 1991 miniseries, it just isn't there (which may be why Richie and Eddie were such blah characters in that).
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Sept 9, 2019 13:02:16 GMT -5
can't stop singing the song Pennywise sings (you know which one if you've seen the movie) I just saw it Saturday night and I honestly can’t remember ha. I thought it was good. Preferred Chapter 1 though. Speaking of songs, anyone else think that 5 second snippet of “Angel Of The Morning” was weird as f***? {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I was referring to the Richie scene when Pennywise sings Your Dirty Secret
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 9, 2019 14:30:27 GMT -5
Made nowhere near as much money on its opening weekend as the first one - $92 million compared to $123 million - but that's still absolutely massive for horror and it made like three times its budget worldwide so it's not exactly a failure. Eh, considering there isn't supposed to be a sequel as it's the conclusion of the story I doubt they care that much. Combined with the fact that the first film generated exponential buzz due to the creepy clown phase manifesting. They waited too long to get the sequel out there rather than jumping on the success immediately. Either way it's still a huge success.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 18:57:09 GMT -5
Saw it over the weekend, liked it a lot albeit not as much as Chapter 1. Not especially scary but had some creepy imagery (that Thing homage in particular) and, much like Chapter 1, was well-acted and heartfelt. It was also pretty well-paced as far as near-three-hour movies go.
Though I have to say I'm having a really hard time imagining a four hour cut. The only stuff I could see them adding is more Bowers and maaaaybe the whole Turtle/Maturin mythos, and even then I can't see how those two plot lines could add another hour and a half of content.
I also have to say that the Adrian Mellon scene was just as horrific to watch as it was to read. Not looking forward to seeing that again.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 9, 2019 21:10:51 GMT -5
Saw it today before Raw, I liked it. It does have the problem of length and pacing. But fantastic performances (shocker there with this cast) make up for it. Chapter 1 is better. {Spoiler}- "I'm a Loser, and always f***ing will be!"
- Loved them continuing that Pennywise is terrified of the Losers Club. He started to get afraid of them when they went into Neibolt House, and Bev stabbed him. He got terrified of them when Richie wouldn't take the deal, and they wailed on him. It didn't take much for them to cause Pennywise to lose power. When Eddie fought back, he retreated. And then when they were insulting him it took no time for him to shrink. That ancient evil being after 27 years was still ultimately terrified of a group of Losers.
- Would have liked to have seen them go with more than 1 turtle reference.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 9, 2019 21:55:47 GMT -5
Most reviews I've watched have been with me that this just wasn't that good. So that's gratifying at least haha.
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Post by Shark on Sept 9, 2019 22:38:36 GMT -5
I'm honestly fascinated at there being such a divide amongst people having issues with the length/pacing of the movie and those who had zero issue with it. Honestly, the only thing from the movie I'd have cut would be the Paul Bunyan but just that part of it. Like cut to Richie in the park and show older Richie watching him and then Pennywise starts taunting him. But even then, I'm fine with it being in there as it is. Bev's scene with her husband was also very uncomfortable to watch and is a testament to how well done it was as that was obviously the effect. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} One thing I appreciated was how subtle the Richie being gay aspect was. Hollywood handling that sort of thing is rarely graceful. I like that he didn't have this big dramatic coming out scene with the Losers. We see Richie crying over Eddie because we know his true feelings while the Losers just see their friend mourning their other friend. They handled it tastefully and I appreciated that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 7:44:54 GMT -5
saw it on a dark, rainy saturday night, and now i'm struggling from Cold. Thanks Pennywise!
the film was a OK, i'm glad that i didn't have to pay for the tickets though.
Out of the whole film, i was most happy with Bill Hader's performance, and i Echo Shark's take regarding Richie's little secret... It was Very well executed, and got me a bit teary eyed.
Ben's actor was super handsome too! otherwise... eh...
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Post by Scooterdust on Sept 10, 2019 17:03:35 GMT -5
I'm honestly fascinated at there being such a divide amongst people having issues with the length/pacing of the movie and those who had zero issue with it. Honestly, the only thing from the movie I'd have cut would be the Paul Bunyan but just that part of it. Like cut to Richie in the park and show older Richie watching him and then Pennywise starts taunting him. But even then, I'm fine with it being in there as it is. Bev's scene with her husband was also very uncomfortable to watch and is a testament to how well done it was as that was obviously the effect. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} One thing I appreciated was how subtle the Richie being gay aspect was. Hollywood handling that sort of thing is rarely graceful. I like that he didn't have this big dramatic coming out scene with the Losers. We see Richie crying over Eddie because we know his true feelings while the Losers just see their friend mourning their other friend. They handled it tastefully and I appreciated that. {Spoiler}{/spoiler}If you read a few posts up, I go into it, about how it's not exactly obvious, but more subtle than it was in the actual book, and considering from Richie's flashback scene in the arcade, where you might just think he's trying to be nice, and then his reaction to Bowers (which was the first time I believe we see young Richie let down his guard (that isn't related to Pennywise) and actually cry, and even then, I thought it was him reacting to missing his friends because they gave him the strength and will to fight back (during the Losers "split," when each Loser was basically at their weakest). Even after the tears adult Richie sheds, I thought he may have regretted being such a smart-ass to his best friend, I just wasn't sure. Even after Richie carved the E, I still wasn't sure. It was only after I left the theater and gave it some deep thought and read some analysis on things I missed that I realized Richie was truly hurting (possibly the first time he ever felt truly heartbroken) for more than just losing his best friend. It truly was one of the brilliant aspects of the film, and a great example of storytelling via subtlety. I will say this, to see an actor like Bill Hader, who I've seen spend every moment I've seen him on any screen (I haven't watched Barry, but I'm going to now) being non-stop hilarious, it actually made me shed a few tears, and I think Hader is that breakout performer who will do what Robin Williams, Steve Martin, Bill Murray, and a few others have done, and transcend being typecast as a comedian.
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Post by Shark on Sept 10, 2019 17:20:11 GMT -5
I'm honestly fascinated at there being such a divide amongst people having issues with the length/pacing of the movie and those who had zero issue with it. Honestly, the only thing from the movie I'd have cut would be the Paul Bunyan but just that part of it. Like cut to Richie in the park and show older Richie watching him and then Pennywise starts taunting him. But even then, I'm fine with it being in there as it is. Bev's scene with her husband was also very uncomfortable to watch and is a testament to how well done it was as that was obviously the effect. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} One thing I appreciated was how subtle the Richie being gay aspect was. Hollywood handling that sort of thing is rarely graceful. I like that he didn't have this big dramatic coming out scene with the Losers. We see Richie crying over Eddie because we know his true feelings while the Losers just see their friend mourning their other friend. They handled it tastefully and I appreciated that. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{/spoiler}If you read a few posts up, I go into it, about how it's not exactly obvious, but more subtle than it was in the actual book, and considering from Richie's flashback scene in the arcade, where you might just think he's trying to be nice, and then his reaction to Bowers (which was the first time I believe we see young Richie let down his guard (that isn't related to Pennywise) and actually cry, and even then, I thought it was him reacting to missing his friends because they gave him the strength and will to fight back (during the Losers "split," when each Loser was basically at their weakest). Even after the tears adult Richie sheds, I thought he may have regretted being such a smart-ass to his best friend, I just wasn't sure. Even after Richie carved the E, I still wasn't sure. It was only after I left the theater and gave it some deep thought and read some analysis on things I missed that I realized Richie was truly hurting (possibly the first time he ever felt truly heartbroken) for more than just losing his best friend. It truly was one of the brilliant aspects of the film, and a great example of storytelling via subtlety. I will say this, to see an actor like Bill Hader, who I've seen spend every moment I've seen him on any screen (I haven't watched Barry, but I'm going to now) being non-stop hilarious, it actually made me shed a few tears, and I think Hader is that breakout performer who will do what Robin Williams, Steve Martin, Bill Murray, and a few others have done, and transcend being typecast as a comedian. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} I was thinking the same thing during that scene. I figured him trying to get the boy to stay was because he was lonely and wanted anyone else to play a game with, but then I thought about the moment when they slapped hands and they lingered for a moment. The boy even got visibly nervous when Bowers showed up. I 100% agree about Bill Hader too. I honestly didn't think he had that kind of range in him. To make an audience laugh and then cry within the same movie isn't a simple thing to do and he totally nailed it.
I also appreciated that moment from the first movie where the Losers split up actually meant something in the sequel. It wasn't just some abstract sort of theme, we actually SAW why them being split up mattered. I wonder if it also explains why Ben kissed Bev at the end of the first movie too. We see in the flashback he tried to kiss "her" and he gets humiliated. So now when he had another chance he did it to show her how much he cared for her.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Sept 10, 2019 18:48:25 GMT -5
Made nowhere near as much money on its opening weekend as the first one - $92 million compared to $123 million - but that's still absolutely massive for horror and it made like three times its budget worldwide so it's not exactly a failure. $92 million in a weekend for a three hour horror movie is bonkers.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 10, 2019 23:56:00 GMT -5
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Post by wakko on Sept 11, 2019 2:34:14 GMT -5
And of course now the studio is thinking of a Pennywise prequel seeing how he came here and became the terror of Derry.
But as far as the movie goes, I liked it. It went by quick and I didn't feel it was three hours. There were flaws, such as the underuse of Henry Bowers. How IT brought him to hedge he bets. They didn't play up how Pennywise was doing anything to take them out enough.
Other than that though, which some may consider a big thing but I didn't, I really liked the movie. No, it wasn't as good as the first one. At the same time, I didn't think the adult portions of the book were as good either. Overall it was a damned good adaptation though.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 11, 2019 9:10:09 GMT -5
As good as Skarsgard is in the role, a prequel? Blah. It'd just be more of the same.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 11, 2019 15:26:35 GMT -5
Saw it over the weekend, liked it a lot albeit not as much as Chapter 1. Not especially scary but had some creepy imagery (that Thing homage in particular) and, much like Chapter 1, was well-acted and heartfelt. It was also pretty well-paced as far as near-three-hour movies go. Though I have to say I'm having a really hard time imagining a four hour cut. The only stuff I could see them adding is more Bowers and maaaaybe the whole Turtle/Maturin mythos, and even then I can't see how those two plot lines could add another hour and a half of content. I also have to say that the Adrian Mellon scene was just as horrific to watch as it was to read. Not looking forward to seeing that again. I'd argue the Adrian Mellon scene was worse than the book, as at least in the book the killers are standing trail and seem to show remorse. Here for all we know they got away with it. And just a guess, but I'm thinking the cut stuff involved Audrey (Bill's wife) getting caught by IT and Bev's abusive husband following her.
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Post by Scooterdust on Sept 11, 2019 18:48:32 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Two more things to realize:
1. If you saw the film and thought they were being faithful to the book by Eddie marrying someone who looks just like his mother, well, you have no idea how accurate the film went one step beyond because THEY USED THE SAME ACTRESS WHO PLAYS HIS MOTHER TO PLAY HIS WIFE (Molly Atikinson), so yes, Eddie literally did marry his mother.
2. Ben's introduction scene. You might think that balding, blonde-hair big guy looks familiar. That's because he's Brandon Crane and he was in the mini-series playing who else but young Ben Hanscom.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 12, 2019 11:21:34 GMT -5
I, uh... hated it.
What does It WANT? To scare people? Then why does it murder people before they have the chance to get scared? And if it wants to kill people, why be all creepy? Just pop into sleeping people's bedrooms and get 'em.
I really wanted the movie to just be the misadventures of zombie Hockstetter going on joyrides. Every once in a while they cut back to him: he's running from the police, he's gambling in Vegas, he's defusing a nuclear bomb. In a post-credit scene, he's sworn in as a member of congress.
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