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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 19, 2019 17:13:40 GMT -5
Disney already has a deal with Lego (at least, Lego makes sets based off of their IPs), they dont want to jeopardize that by trying to acquire a toy company (and lets be honest, outside of Transformers and MLP, does Hasbro really have any succesful franchises at the moment?). They absolutely would jeopardize a relationship with Lego, who is as much a general licensee of the Disney brand as any other toy company currently making Disney product. Even if Lego said "Hey we won't do sets of your stuff anymore" then the only one it hurts is Lego itself. Disney would lose just one of many companies licensing its stuff to use, while at the same time taking over the company that owns Transformers, GI Joe, NERF, Play-Doh, D&D, Monopoly, Battleship, Clue, the Ouija board, and a metric crap-ton of other A-and-B-list toy brands, not to mention getting 100% of the profits from all those Star Wars and Marvel action figures Hasbro litters the shelves with. Oh, you have no idea how quickly Disney would walk away from Lego for that.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 19, 2019 18:37:51 GMT -5
I could totally see it happening at some point in the future after Vince is gone. I mean, if they want a gigantic PR nightmare from the press digging through WWE's history and finding the skeletons and then them backing out of the deal when all those skeletons are out of the closet for all to see and Disney stock drops rapidly from it, sure, why not? When your skeletons are so bad, they make even other cut throat bussiness men cautious.
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Post by thirteen3 on Mar 19, 2019 19:07:03 GMT -5
To think back in the mid-2000's this company was dire enough straights it almost got bought by comcast.
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Post by eJm on Mar 19, 2019 19:33:22 GMT -5
To think back in the mid-2000's this company was dire enough straights it almost got bought by comcast. In terms of popular culture, it’s genuinely one of the greatest What If scenarios of all time. Disney Shareholders pretty much refused flat out any Comcast bid...but what if they didn’t? Would someone else have brought NBC Universal? What about Pixar since technically they weren’t under Disney contract anymore? Would the MCU still be as big and if so, who’d want to buy it? Would it be Warner Bros? Like, so much of the culture we have was down to the fact Iger turned Disney around after the Eisner era that it’s mind boggling to think about.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 19, 2019 19:35:43 GMT -5
I mean, if they want a gigantic PR nightmare from the press digging through WWE's history and finding the skeletons and then them backing out of the deal when all those skeletons are out of the closet for all to see and Disney stock drops rapidly from it, sure, why not? When your skeletons are so bad, they make even other cut throat bussiness men cautious. Here's why Disney will never touch WWE: 1. There is no real profit. WWE spends almost as much as it makes - they can rake in $400+ million, but only like $20-50 million of it is actual profit. That's...not really that great. Something like a massive lawsuit settlement could mess them up something fierce. There's not enough reward-for-risk there for Disney to bite. 2. The aformentioned skeletons. It's not a few. It's not a lot. It's a lot more than that and it would never go away. Almost every major name has *some* sort of stink on them, some a lot worse than others. 3. The rights issues legal nightmare. They'd be in for the long haul with having lawyers just trying to figure out what they do and do not own in regards to trademarks and such. 4. Disney is unionized. While it would be great for the workers and all, this means insurance. Insurance, on hundreds of wrestlers.
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Post by eJm on Mar 19, 2019 19:42:22 GMT -5
When your skeletons are so bad, they make even other cut throat bussiness men cautious. Here's why Disney will never touch WWE: 1. There is no real profit. WWE spends almost as much as it makes - they can rake in $400+ million, but only like $20-50 million of it is actual profit. That's...not really that great. Something like a massive lawsuit settlement could mess them up something fierce. There's not enough reward-for-risk there for Disney to bite. 2. The aformentioned skeletons. It's not a few. It's not a lot. It's a lot more than that and it would never go away. Almost every major name has *some* sort of stink on them, some a lot worse than others. 3. The rights issues legal nightmare. They'd be in for the long haul with having lawyers just trying to figure out what they do and do not own in regards to trademarks and such. 4. Disney is unionized. While it would be great for the workers and all, this means insurance. Insurance, on hundreds of wrestlers. Also to add, 5. (Somewhat related to a point you made at 1) Lawsuits. Remember when Google brought YouTube and record companies and film studios immediately put lawsuits to them to sue for residuals from their work because they have big money backing now? Imagine the lawsuits WWE used to endure...except with way more people. Sure, some of this stuff could be dropped but then how about if people sue for the skeletons in the closet? What if there’s a wide scale discrimination or sexual assault lawsuit? It’s not as easy to just shove to the corner when you know full well Disney can pay to make it all go away.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 19, 2019 19:43:38 GMT -5
So can I have the original cut of Star Wars now?
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 19, 2019 19:46:18 GMT -5
So can I have the original cut of Star Wars now? Just buy the DVD.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 19, 2019 20:52:07 GMT -5
Here's why Disney will never touch WWE: 1. There is no real profit. WWE spends almost as much as it makes - they can rake in $400+ million, but only like $20-50 million of it is actual profit. That's...not really that great. Something like a massive lawsuit settlement could mess them up something fierce. There's not enough reward-for-risk there for Disney to bite. 2. The aformentioned skeletons. It's not a few. It's not a lot. It's a lot more than that and it would never go away. Almost every major name has *some* sort of stink on them, some a lot worse than others. 3. The rights issues legal nightmare. They'd be in for the long haul with having lawyers just trying to figure out what they do and do not own in regards to trademarks and such. 4. Disney is unionized. While it would be great for the workers and all, this means insurance. Insurance, on hundreds of wrestlers. Also to add, 5. (Somewhat related to a point you made at 1) Lawsuits. Remember when Google brought YouTube and record companies and film studios immediately put lawsuits to them to sue for residuals from their work because they have big money backing now? Imagine the lawsuits WWE used to endure...except with way more people. Sure, some of this stuff could be dropped but then how about if people sue for the skeletons in the closet? What if there’s a wide scale discrimination or sexual assault lawsuit? It’s not as easy to just shove to the corner when you know full well Disney can pay to make it all go away. This makes me think, if Disney really wanted wrestling under their wing, they're better off just forming their own fed.
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Post by eJm on Mar 19, 2019 21:08:32 GMT -5
Also to add, 5. (Somewhat related to a point you made at 1) Lawsuits. Remember when Google brought YouTube and record companies and film studios immediately put lawsuits to them to sue for residuals from their work because they have big money backing now? Imagine the lawsuits WWE used to endure...except with way more people. Sure, some of this stuff could be dropped but then how about if people sue for the skeletons in the closet? What if there’s a wide scale discrimination or sexual assault lawsuit? It’s not as easy to just shove to the corner when you know full well Disney can pay to make it all go away. This makes me think, if Disney really wanted wrestling under their wing, they're better off just forming their own fed. The only key thing against it would be that it would need to consistently make money somehow and not really have that many dips. The reason Disney’s never been great with video games and is willing to give the licenses of their properties to other studios is because they panic every single time their video game companies made a loss even if that loss is nessesary for long term success. I’d say a fed that needed to make a splash quickly would probably have a high loss for at least the first couple of months if not longer before it was able to make some kind of profit.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 19, 2019 21:39:44 GMT -5
I've said it before, but I have mixed feelings about Disney's acquisition of so many IPs. Then again, Fox was going to sell them, and it's not like Comcast buying it would have been any better. Yeah, as I stated at the time, Fox was selling. the only real contenders that would be offering the cash they wanted was Disney or Commcast. Disney aren't a great company... but they beat the shit out of Commcast.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 19, 2019 21:40:14 GMT -5
When your skeletons are so bad, they make even other cut throat bussiness men cautious. Here's why Disney will never touch WWE: 1. There is no real profit. WWE spends almost as much as it makes - they can rake in $400+ million, but only like $20-50 million of it is actual profit. That's...not really that great. Something like a massive lawsuit settlement could mess them up something fierce. There's not enough reward-for-risk there for Disney to bite. 2. The aformentioned skeletons. It's not a few. It's not a lot. It's a lot more than that and it would never go away. Almost every major name has *some* sort of stink on them, some a lot worse than others. 3. The rights issues legal nightmare. They'd be in for the long haul with having lawyers just trying to figure out what they do and do not own in regards to trademarks and such. 4. Disney is unionized. While it would be great for the workers and all, this means insurance. Insurance, on hundreds of wrestlers. Yeah... this needs to be repeated. Disney ain't touching WWE with a 20 foot pole.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 19, 2019 21:43:50 GMT -5
Just saying... sometimes ego does get in the way of even successful business. Yes, but the only case you’ve put forward for that is of a company that is run by a crazy egomaniac who flinches at the sight of anyone trying to get a piece of his pie and wants everything his way. Disney aren’t a company that settles on their laurels, they go from wanting to make money to wanting to make MORE money. WWE has the money already so they think why even try? Yeah, maybe that's something Disney would do during the Eisner days, but it's not an Iger move.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 19, 2019 21:47:11 GMT -5
I for whatever reason read this as "Denny's officially acquires 21st Century Fox"
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Post by Ganon83 on Mar 19, 2019 22:10:18 GMT -5
All this talk about Disney buying Hasbro next and how it could r̶u̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶L̶o̶r̶d̶ ̶T̶e̶n̶s̶a̶i̶ ̶g̶i̶m̶m̶i̶c̶k̶ their relationship with Lego.
Counter-point: why doesn't Disney buy Lego instead of Hasbro?
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Post by Paul on Mar 19, 2019 22:31:27 GMT -5
I for whatever reason read this as "Denny's officially acquires 21st Century Fox" I can't wait for Moons Over My Hammy: In 3-D!
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Mar 19, 2019 23:04:20 GMT -5
All this talk about Disney buying Hasbro next and how it could r̶u̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶L̶o̶r̶d̶ ̶T̶e̶n̶s̶a̶i̶ ̶g̶i̶m̶m̶i̶c̶k̶ their relationship with Lego. Counter-point: why doesn't Disney buy Lego instead of Hasbro? Then they alienate Hasbro and the other toy companies they have deals with.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Mar 20, 2019 5:31:15 GMT -5
I've always wondered if WWE have to deal with unions with their backstage employees?
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Post by Paul on Mar 20, 2019 6:36:34 GMT -5
I've always wondered if WWE have to deal with unions with their backstage employees? Yes, for some of the things they need from local crews I think they're unionized.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 7:03:17 GMT -5
Then they alienate Hasbro and the other toy companies they have deals with. Yes and no. Yes, it puts them in the toy business. But no, I think, for the following reason: Counter-point: why doesn't Disney buy Lego instead of Hasbro? Lego just does that one toy. They're not a Hasbro or Mattel that make tons of different kinds of toys. They make the blocks. That's it. They do great business doing that, but I don't think Disney buying Lego necessarily alienates other toy companies, because those folks don't do what Lego does (well, Hasbro tried with Kre-O, and that's all past tense now for a money reason) And the money Disney could put into Lego becoming a multi-faceted company that makes a dozen kind of toys.......eclipses the money they'd spend buying a toy company that does all that already. ....and who knows, the money they save off bringing all that license money in-house could then allow them to buy Lego. Heh. It all probably ends up being Disney in the end I guess.
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