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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jul 7, 2019 15:15:58 GMT -5
Ah, now to wait for the Internet trolls to state that since Spidey made more in an extended holiday weekend than Captain Marvel made in a regular weekend, that PROVES girls shouldn't be in their superhero movies!!!
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Post by schma on Jul 7, 2019 17:05:04 GMT -5
*shakes head at everyone saying "One More Day"* {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Spider-Man framed for murder is a clear set-up for Identity Crisis. I forgot all about that. However, I am genuinely curious and excited to see where this goes. I think it's a story that lends itself better to movies where ten years down the road they can create a new continuity with a new actor whereas comics you've got decades of backstory.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jul 7, 2019 17:53:19 GMT -5
It was alright. Much better than homecoming.
The movie feels like a gradual step in maturity but it takes the whole film to get that satisfaction.
Michelle is finally a bearable character. Still wish it was her own unique character but eh. Mysterio and all his elements and Gylenhaal were great. Third act was solid AF.
My main problem, again, lies with the direction. I feel homecoming and this just lacked a lot of gravitas and I know they’re going for coming of age and youthful but I still feel there’s better directors out there to ground and give Peter and Spidey a more epic feel but..eh. If there’s a good example of mcu being canned coke it’s this. Still a lot of fun though.
I like the “direction” they’re taking the character in the credits scene.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jul 7, 2019 17:56:11 GMT -5
It was alright. Much better than homecoming. The movie feels like a gradual step in maturity but it takes the whole film to get that satisfaction. Michelle is finally a bearable character. Still wish it was her own unique character but eh. Mysterio and all his elements and Gylenhaal were great. Third act was solid AF. My main problem, again, lies with the direction. I feel homecoming and this just lacked a lot of gravitas and I know they’re going for coming of age and youthful but I still feel there’s better directors out there to ground and give Peter and Spidey a more epic feel but..eh. If there’s a good example of mcu being canned coke it’s this. Still a lot of fun though. I like the “direction” they’re taking the character in the credits scene. I get what you mean on the "less epic" feel. The Raimi trilogy and even the Garfield films had that sense of epicness to them. Hell, Spider-Man 2 was considered the GOAT for a while by some for a reason.
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Post by Convoy on Jul 7, 2019 23:43:32 GMT -5
Saw it today and loved it. Much better than Homecoming overall, and probably second to Spider-Man 2 for best live-action film. It's a shame we won't have another with the Spider-Man crew until 2025 at this point. For those asking about the ending: {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I don't think Mysterio is dead. Notice how EDITH responded to Peter by saying "all illusions are gone" as opposed to something like "vital signs are negative" when he asks about Mysterio. Between that and Talos' poor imitation of Fury, there's a fair chance he pulled a fast one and survived. Remember: The world sees what he wants them to see.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jul 8, 2019 23:32:21 GMT -5
Just got out of it. Absolutely loved it.
The pattern for the Marvel Movies’ credit scenes appears to have become:
Mid-Credits: Shocking twist or development that’s bound to change everything going forward.
Post-Credits: Levity to help ease the tension of the mid-credit scene
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 9, 2019 16:53:15 GMT -5
Still think Into the Spiderverse holds the crown for best Spider-Man movie, but like a lot like Homecoming I felt Far From Home was really good in its own right and leagues above previous incarnations and attempts. For me, a big part of that is with the Raimi trilogy and the Amazing Spider-man twofer there were always caveats to them, a lot like the X-Men movies. As in, "Yeah, Doc Ock wasn't exactly like his comic book self but..." or "Yes, they're really melodramatic at times but" or "Toby's Peter is a wet blanket but" or "Yeah, the best part is the chemistry Peter and Gwen's actors have but" or "Yeah, Electro was goofy but". Not to say I hate them either. I think the Raimi trilogy is a lot like Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, a goofy romp that can be a lot of fun to watch with friends as you quote it or laugh over some of the decisions and choices in those movies that were ridiculous even at the time (and are only even campier now in a post-MCU world). I think Amazing Spider-man 1 is a flawed, but overall fun movie that got aspects of the Spider-man character better than the Raimi trilogy ever did. Amazing Spider-man 2 is a trainwreck, but does have some genuinely decent moments when it focuses on Peter and Gwen, and it can't be understated that while the majority of the movie takes a lot of liberties with the property it did That Scene with Gwen pretty well in my opinion. But in contrast with Homecoming and Far From Home, I feel there's less caveats or cons to the movies. It's maybe one or two things that don't work or don't quite feel "right", as opposed to a much longer list like there was for the earlier iterations. Heck, one of the things I was skeptical of coming out of Homecoming I felt was miles better in Far From Home because of the time they dedicated to the character in FFH ("MJ"). Also I haven't seen anyone mention having the same thought anywhere but I had one thought come to mind with the post-credits scene... {Spoiler}Did anyone else think with Fury off world they were potentially teasing the formation of S.W.O.R.D.?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 9, 2019 16:59:41 GMT -5
The goofier elements of the Raimi movies I have always felt were intentional. He leaned into the 60s roots HARD.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 9, 2019 18:27:50 GMT -5
The goofier elements of the Raimi movies I have always felt were intentional. He leaned into the 60s roots HARD. Oh yeah, I purposely mentioned Batman Forever and Batman & Robin because I think some of the goofy elements of the Raimi movies were intentional and very Silver Age in their inspirations. But kind of like how we have tried to move beyond some of the things of the 90's and other ages, I think some aspects of the Silver Age that were lifted from for the Raimi movies were left in the past for good reason by most that handle the Spider-man property and honestly probably should've been by Raimi. Similar to how some aspects of the Silver Age have carried on and some have not in other comic properties like Batman too. Though I think some stuff was definitely unintentional in its goofiness, like a lot of the really dramatic scenes that are hilarious for how melodramatic they are.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 9, 2019 18:30:38 GMT -5
Right, a co-worker at the time really made fun of "We'll meet again Spider-Man!" as if Raimi et al didn't realize how corny that was. It's like 'yes that line is cartoony. That was the point.'
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 9, 2019 18:39:29 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Did anyone else think with Fury off world they were potentially teasing the formation of S.W.O.R.D.? {Spoiler}There were rumours that a previously Fox-owned property would be hinted at in the movie, and references to SWORD were originally nixed from Thor because of rights issues with Fox.
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Post by schizo on Jul 9, 2019 19:40:39 GMT -5
Right, a co-worker at the time really made fun of "We'll meet again Spider-Man!" as if Raimi et al didn't realize how corny that was. It's like 'yes that line is cartoony. That was the point.' I really loved that part a lot. It really felt it came strait out of a comic book/ cartoon
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Post by Jiren on Jul 9, 2019 20:03:05 GMT -5
I thought it was good buts that's as far as I'll go, sits firmly in the middle of my ranking of MCU
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Post by schma on Jul 9, 2019 20:23:17 GMT -5
I've been giving more thought to the theory that this might lead to identity crisis. I think the key difference here is that his secret identity was still intact. With this out it'll be nearly impossible for him to do anything likely.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jul 9, 2019 20:24:24 GMT -5
Still think Into the Spiderverse holds the crown for best Spider-Man movie Into the Spiderverse might just be the best superhero movie, period.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 9, 2019 20:30:13 GMT -5
In a discussion related to this, can Marvel decide if Peter is either a young kid who only vaguely knows pop culture or he's uber nerd?
Like the jokes about him only sort of knowing Empire Strikes Back or mistaking AC/DC for Zeppelin are funny, but if Pete is the level of nerd he's supposed to be, he's gonna know these things haha.
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Post by DSR on Jul 9, 2019 22:40:52 GMT -5
Finally saw the film earlier today. It's a lot of fun. I'm still not the biggest fan of Stark being Peter's mentor figure (if only because I grew up with them almost never interacting), but I don't hate it or anything. Holland and Zendaya have great chemistry together. The Happy/May stuff was fun. Mysterio was goddamn perfect! Loved everything to do with him. Just a really solid, entertaining flick.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 10, 2019 0:21:04 GMT -5
In a discussion related to this, can Marvel decide if Peter is either a young kid who only vaguely knows pop culture or he's uber nerd? Like the jokes about him only sort of knowing Empire Strikes Back or mistaking AC/DC for Zeppelin are funny, but if Pete is the level of nerd he's supposed to be, he's gonna know these things haha. On the one hand, I get where you're coming from. On the other hand, I know some people and have met some people that are roughly Peter's age that are pretty nerdy that would make the same mistakes or only sort of know ESB (but maybe, say, know more what you're talking about if you're talking about the prequel movies). While there will always be nerds that know what ESB is or would never mistake AC/DC for Zeppelin, there's also some in the younger generations that would. Remember, this Peter Parker at the absolute earliest was born after 1999 probably. Most likely sometime in the 2000's. He's a child of his era as much as you or I are of ours. Finally saw the film earlier today. It's a lot of fun. I'm still not the biggest fan of Stark being Peter's mentor figure (if only because I grew up with them almost never interacting), but I don't hate it or anything. Holland and Zendaya have great chemistry together. The Happy/May stuff was fun. Mysterio was goddamn perfect! Loved everything to do with him. Just a really solid, entertaining flick. I'm fine with the Tony & Peter relationship for two reasons. A big component of Peter Parker's character has always been collecting surrogate father figures, usually with them either dying tragically or becoming a villain. It's a staple of Spider-man stories and it has been, sheesh, for a long time. He's always looking for that person to replace the father he never had (or depending on the story and how self aware Peter is at the moment, to replace Ben). The other reason is that while I didn't grow up with it really, they have spent the last two decades in the comics really pushing the Tony & Peter mentor and student relationship. And while sometimes it has been clumsily handled in the comics, I think it really works in the MCU. Well. Worked. That said, not going to lie, during the Mysterio illusions segment of the movie I expected the grave stone to have Ben's name on it but was like "Oh, duh" when it had Tony's. I think MCU and Sony are trying to walk a fine line with Ben and understandably so, the public at large doesn't need Uncle Ben dying in a cinematic universe for the third time. Heck, I was tired of it by the second time (not helped at all by Spider-man 3 rehashing their version of it again too in it making the Amazing Spider-man's technically the third time we saw Ben die). They don't need flashbacks to Ben giving the same advice he's always given as Peter sulks thinking back on it. There's enough hints, winks and nods in the universe to let you know Ben existed, he died, and he mattered to Peter and May. I think sometimes Spider-man media relies too heavily on Uncle Ben to inject their stories with weight or the human element rather than taking the time to really focus on Peter and develop Peter as a character. They use the character as a crutch. As an easy way to make the audience sympathize for Peter rather than necessarily empathize with him. I'd rather the MCU do what they've been doing and maybe save a Ben flashback or a direct acknowledgement of him for a moment to give the story they're telling that really big thrust.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jul 10, 2019 2:14:55 GMT -5
Definitely better than the first.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 10, 2019 8:30:03 GMT -5
While there will always be nerds that know what ESB is or would never mistake AC/DC for Zeppelin, there's also some in the younger generations that would. I mean f***, I'm almost 38 and my entire knowledge of Led Zeppelin and AC/DC is literally from Iron Man and Thor: Ragnarok. I probably wouldn't mistake one for the other once the vocals start up, but play a random track that wasn't featured in those movies and give me 20 seconds to guess the artist, I'd probably get as many wrong as I did right.
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