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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 11, 2019 21:05:26 GMT -5
I think it'd work really well, first to shock the general audience when they think he is Hobby, then with pathos when you reveal he's not. Only semi-related, I do wonder as well what exactly they're setting up with Flash. They've had a couple scenes bow where his parents have been kind of absentee and that seeming to really bother him. I don't see them including that if they weren't going somewhere with it. They have to be. Between the scene at the airport and the text he was sending his mom when Peter used EDITH on the bus... definitely using it for something in the future. Yeah, that was exactly my thought. They don't hit you over the head with it, but him asking his butler or whatever "so mom couldn't make it huh?" and then looking sad was conspicuous enough to where something is going to play out. Otherwise why have It there?
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 11, 2019 22:02:28 GMT -5
I'm sure I'll see this at some point, but Into the Spiderverse was so good I can't imagine anything Spider-Man related being any more enjoyable than that was.
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Post by King Boo on Jul 11, 2019 22:14:45 GMT -5
I'm sure I'll see this at some point, but Into the Spiderverse was so good I can't imagine anything Spider-Man related being any more enjoyable than that was. FWIW, I watched Into the Spiderverse for the first time the day before I went to see Far From Home and my total enjoyment of Spiderverse didn't ruin (so to speak) Far From Home in any way at all. Absolutely loved this movie.
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Post by DSR on Jul 11, 2019 22:24:00 GMT -5
Somewhere in Marisa Tomei's house is a portrait of her that looks really old.
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Post by schma on Jul 11, 2019 23:11:48 GMT -5
This was a really fun movie. I'm torn on whether it was better than the first one or not. Peter and MJ make a really cute, convincingly teenage couple, and I hope we get more of them in the next movie. Especially now MJ knows Peter is Spider-Man (although, so does everyone) and can help him problem solve. Good chemistry between Holland and Zendaya. Mysterio was obviously going to be a villain, but Gyllenhaal was charming and affable enough that I kept forgetting that, before the reveal. Peter was too quick to trust him, but I can see why he did. Beck was a good judge of people, and saw Peter's need for affirmation from a mentor figure. The reveal of how he was conning everyone was equal parts cool and corny. Lots of tech, lots of manpower, lots of smoke and mirrors, all allowing a regular guy to come off like a superhero. I don't care for Spider-Man as Tony's successor. To me, Spider-Man is the plucky underdog, the friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man who uses his wits, guile and heart to win the day. He doesn't use drones, satellites and all of Stark Industries' resources.
JK Simmons returning was great, and would have been a big enough moment for that mid-credits scene, without the twist of revealing Spider-Man's identity. How many times though can you stand to see him as the guy who's always struggling to pay bills, has to resort to living with his Aunt and being the perpetual punching bag of the universe?
Joe Quesada insisting on returning to the Status Quo is what lead to One More Day
Sadly it's not only Joe Quesada with this attitude. The original intent of the clone saga before it went off the deep end was to give Peter his happy ending with Mary Jane and get back to a Spider-man who wasn't married, aka the Spider-man that the writers had grown up with. One More Day was again an attempt to turn back the clock as if character development is a bad thing. It honestly seems like once a decade some people at Marvel look at Spider-man and go, that isn't the character I grew up with, change it.
Of these though, One More Day was the most egregious because it basically betrayed the entire character of Peter Parker for the plot. I stopped reading Spider-man for years because of that story (which apparently is a shame because I hear Big Time is great).
After a few years of being back for Spider-man I gave up again because they basically stripped away all his success and had him couch surfing and a pariah again. But it was different this time because people hated Peter and not Spider-man >.>
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 12, 2019 0:41:01 GMT -5
I really enjoyed. Don't think I'd put it above Spider-Verse for best Spider-Man movie, I'd have to watch it again to see if I'd put it as best live action Spidey movie. - I liked the hints that Fury and Maria weren't Fury and Maria. Fury getting pissed at Spider-Man mentioning Captain Marvel, Fury would have never been as hard on an Avenger as Talos was (remember in Ultron he gave Tony a pep talk), and the ultimate spy whose secrets have secrets wouldn't have trusted Beck right away. - Good to see they're giving Flash more character. They're making him more like his previous incarnations, he loves Spider-Man, and we saw in this one his home life isn't great. Start the process of him and Peter becoming friends. - Happy's reaction to seeing Peter acting like Tony was great. He no doubt saw Tony do what Peter was doing countless times, and knew Tony picked the right person. - Surprised we haven't gotten any hints of Norman. Marvel's Mays just don't really age, in 30 years they age maybe 4. She and Ming Na-Wen look damn near the same as they did over 20 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 2:43:18 GMT -5
I thought this post was wild a couple years ago when it was making the rounds:
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Post by Prince Petty on Jul 12, 2019 7:10:28 GMT -5
This was a really fun movie. I'm torn on whether it was better than the first one or not. Peter and MJ make a really cute, convincingly teenage couple, and I hope we get more of them in the next movie. Especially now MJ knows Peter is Spider-Man (although, so does everyone) and can help him problem solve. Good chemistry between Holland and Zendaya. Mysterio was obviously going to be a villain, but Gyllenhaal was charming and affable enough that I kept forgetting that, before the reveal. Peter was too quick to trust him, but I can see why he did. Beck was a good judge of people, and saw Peter's need for affirmation from a mentor figure. The reveal of how he was conning everyone was equal parts cool and corny. Lots of tech, lots of manpower, lots of smoke and mirrors, all allowing a regular guy to come off like a superhero. I don't care for Spider-Man as Tony's successor. To me, Spider-Man is the plucky underdog, the friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man who uses his wits, guile and heart to win the day. He doesn't use drones, satellites and all of Stark Industries' resources.
JK Simmons returning was great, and would have been a big enough moment for that mid-credits scene, without the twist of revealing Spider-Man's identity. How many times though can you stand to see him as the guy who's always struggling to pay bills, has to resort to living with his Aunt and being the perpetual punching bag of the universe? Joe Quesada insisting on returning to the Status Quo is what lead to One More Day
Quesada didn't take it back to Spider-Man at his height (in my opinion), he took it back to Spider-Man as Quesada enjoyed the character when he was a young comic book fan - the kid struggling to be both Spider-Man and Peter Parker, trying to graduate high school and go to college. That's late 60s, early 70s Spider-Man. There were a good twenty years after that, where he was a successful adult, and was mostly in a successful relationship, and he was still just Spider-Man - a solo hero who fought his own fights, his own way. For some reason, the Spider-Man of the 80s and 90s always gets overlooked when people talk about his character, which is weird because that's where a good number of his seminal stories come from - Venom, Carnage, Kraven's Last Hunt, marrying MJ, Torment, the Clone Saga.
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Post by schma on Jul 12, 2019 13:03:19 GMT -5
How many times though can you stand to see him as the guy who's always struggling to pay bills, has to resort to living with his Aunt and being the perpetual punching bag of the universe? Joe Quesada insisting on returning to the Status Quo is what lead to One More Day
Quesada didn't take it back to Spider-Man at his height (in my opinion), he took it back to Spider-Man as Quesada enjoyed the character when he was a young comic book fan - the kid struggling to be both Spider-Man and Peter Parker, trying to graduate high school and go to college. That's late 60s, early 70s Spider-Man. There were a good twenty years after that, where he was a successful adult, and was mostly in a successful relationship, and he was still just Spider-Man - a solo hero who fought his own fights, his own way. For some reason, the Spider-Man of the 80s and 90s always gets overlooked when people talk about his character, which is weird because that's where a good number of his seminal stories come from - Venom, Carnage, Kraven's Last Hunt, marrying MJ, Torment, the Clone Saga. Carnage and to a lesser extent Venom are often given the sideeye by those critical of the 90s (there were a lot of garbage stories across their properties in the 90s). The clone saga was initially well received but when the owners saw the money it made, they forced them to continue the story and it became a convoluted mess. Clone wars was specifically meant to undo the marriage with MJ due to as you mentioned writers wanting the Peter they grew up with. There's this kind of unofficial the 90s were terrible attitude about Marvel due to the behind the scenes stuff with the bankruptcy, the attempt to cash in on collectors with special covers and numerous stories of questionable value (not saying it was all bad).
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 12, 2019 13:31:09 GMT -5
Quesada didn't take it back to Spider-Man at his height (in my opinion), he took it back to Spider-Man as Quesada enjoyed the character when he was a young comic book fan - the kid struggling to be both Spider-Man and Peter Parker, trying to graduate high school and go to college. That's late 60s, early 70s Spider-Man. There were a good twenty years after that, where he was a successful adult, and was mostly in a successful relationship, and he was still just Spider-Man - a solo hero who fought his own fights, his own way. For some reason, the Spider-Man of the 80s and 90s always gets overlooked when people talk about his character, which is weird because that's where a good number of his seminal stories come from - Venom, Carnage, Kraven's Last Hunt, marrying MJ, Torment, the Clone Saga. Carnage and to a lesser extent Venom are often given the sideeye by those critical of the 90s (there were a lot of garbage stories across their properties in the 90s). The clone saga was initially well received but when the owners saw the money it made, they forced them to continue the story and it became a convoluted mess. Clone wars was specifically meant to undo the marriage with MJ due to as you mentioned writers wanting the Peter they grew up with. There's this kind of unofficial the 90s were terrible attitude about Marvel due to the behind the scenes stuff with the bankruptcy, the attempt to cash in on collectors with special covers and numerous stories of questionable value (not saying it was all bad). I think part of it was for so long how close we were to the 80's and 90's as in comparison to the 60's and 70's, so the bad parts were more fresh in people's minds. Not helped by the rise of dudes like Linkara that rightfully tore into the bad comic storylines of their childhood, which were the 80's and 90's era comics. Also I think part of it is while there were definitely some stinkers in the 60's and 70's, the 80's and especially the 90's ones had a bad habit of lingering and were much...louder than in the past.
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Post by Prince Petty on Jul 12, 2019 20:04:12 GMT -5
Quesada didn't take it back to Spider-Man at his height (in my opinion), he took it back to Spider-Man as Quesada enjoyed the character when he was a young comic book fan - the kid struggling to be both Spider-Man and Peter Parker, trying to graduate high school and go to college. That's late 60s, early 70s Spider-Man. There were a good twenty years after that, where he was a successful adult, and was mostly in a successful relationship, and he was still just Spider-Man - a solo hero who fought his own fights, his own way. For some reason, the Spider-Man of the 80s and 90s always gets overlooked when people talk about his character, which is weird because that's where a good number of his seminal stories come from - Venom, Carnage, Kraven's Last Hunt, marrying MJ, Torment, the Clone Saga. Carnage and to a lesser extent Venom are often given the sideeye by those critical of the 90s (there were a lot of garbage stories across their properties in the 90s). The clone saga was initially well received but when the owners saw the money it made, they forced them to continue the story and it became a convoluted mess. Clone wars was specifically meant to undo the marriage with MJ due to as you mentioned writers wanting the Peter they grew up with. There's this kind of unofficial the 90s were terrible attitude about Marvel due to the behind the scenes stuff with the bankruptcy, the attempt to cash in on collectors with special covers and numerous stories of questionable value (not saying it was all bad). That has definitely been the case with the X-Men comics as well. When you look at how 90s-era characters and stories have been shunned by Marvel in recent years, there's definitely a distaste for the 90s. But I usually put that down to the fans-turned-writers who read the comics in the 90s not yet driving the creative process. The 80s fanboys have been pulling the strings for a while, which is why we got Cyclops becoming the 'awesome badass' leader, and the likes of Rogue, Kitty Pryde and Rachel Grey being prominent, while many 90s-era characters have been sidelined. Gambit is the poster boy for this. He disappeared completely for a while, then returned and was underwritten to the point he seemed more of a supporting character for Rogue than anything else. But it could be that those 80s fanboys have additional resentment for the 90s because it represents the time when the comic book industry was in danger of going bust. The first full Spider-Man story I read was the Venom story, which came out in the late 80s and had Peter as a relatively successful photographer, married to a supermodel and living in a pretty cool loft. And it was a good story. As I said, a seminal one for Spider-Man and full of iconic moments that fans would recognise.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 12, 2019 22:08:33 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Does the second scene with Fury hint at a possible adaptation of Secret Invasion or Secret Wars maybe? I need to watch it again but apparently they said in the first mid-credit scene {Spoiler}the Fantastic Four symbol is seen in New York?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 12, 2019 23:00:45 GMT -5
I need to watch it again but apparently they said in the first mid-credit scene {Spoiler}{Spoiler}the Fantastic Four symbol is seen in New York? {Spoiler}There's a construction sign on or near the old Avengers Tower that says "We can't wait to show you what's next. 1-2-3-?"
Obviously people have jumped to the conclusion that Reed bought the tower from Tony, and that's where the Fantastic Four will be based, but a few New Yorkers have claimed that the sign is part of an actual construction project going on in New York and was visible for months.
We shall see.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 12, 2019 23:05:00 GMT -5
It's mostly just a nod to the next phase being Phase 4. Though I have talked with someone have corny and perfect it would be if it was so on the nose that Phase 4 literally ends with the FF.
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Post by schma on Jul 12, 2019 23:05:22 GMT -5
Carnage and to a lesser extent Venom are often given the sideeye by those critical of the 90s (there were a lot of garbage stories across their properties in the 90s). The clone saga was initially well received but when the owners saw the money it made, they forced them to continue the story and it became a convoluted mess. Clone wars was specifically meant to undo the marriage with MJ due to as you mentioned writers wanting the Peter they grew up with. There's this kind of unofficial the 90s were terrible attitude about Marvel due to the behind the scenes stuff with the bankruptcy, the attempt to cash in on collectors with special covers and numerous stories of questionable value (not saying it was all bad). That has definitely been the case with the X-Men comics as well. When you look at how 90s-era characters and stories have been shunned by Marvel in recent years, there's definitely a distaste for the 90s. But I usually put that down to the fans-turned-writers who read the comics in the 90s not yet driving the creative process. The 80s fanboys have been pulling the strings for a while, which is why we got Cyclops becoming the 'awesome badass' leader, and the likes of Rogue, Kitty Pryde and Rachel Grey being prominent, while many 90s-era characters have been sidelined. Gambit is the poster boy for this. He disappeared completely for a while, then returned and was underwritten to the point he seemed more of a supporting character for Rogue than anything else. But it could be that those 80s fanboys have additional resentment for the 90s because it represents the time when the comic book industry was in danger of going bust. The first full Spider-Man story I read was the Venom story, which came out in the late 80s and had Peter as a relatively successful photographer, married to a supermodel and living in a pretty cool loft. And it was a good story. As I said, a seminal one for Spider-Man and full of iconic moments that fans would recognise. Yeah Peter does not have to be down on his luck and always failing at life to have great stories.
For the X-men it was a combination of factors but for example, X-men 1 which broke sales records took a lot of character development and threw it out. At that point Magneto had been working with the X-men for years. He had served as a mentor to the New Mutants for longer than Charles had. Granted he had still shown dark tendencies (like joining the Hellfire Club, mostly to protect his charges the New Mutants) but for the most part he had reformed. He had proven himself. The new X-men series started with the rise of Asteroid M and if I remember correctly, Magneto even invited Charles to come look and make sure everything was above board. At this point Charles has two teams. The first one is made up of people who mostly rage quit when Magneto was brought in and formed their own team (X-factor) or the other team which was mostly populated by people who had spent the past few years working alongside Magneto during his time with the X-men. Of course he sends the group that doesn't trust him and has never trusted him. Even Wolverine pretty much immediately assumes the worst despite having at this point worked for years alongside Magneto.
The choice was made purely to have Magneto as a villain again and plot overruled character development. There were other questionable decisions like Magneto tearing out Logan's skeleton (makes no sense from a strategic point of view and yeah it wowed me when I was a kid but now I realize it didn't make much sense).
Then there were the various new characters, most of whom didn't really stick and either were killed off or only occasionally appeared in the background.
In the case of Gambit I think part of it was that for a long time his character was flash, it was style over substance. When they did start exploring his character it turned a bit into a mess with the Sinister stuff and even some of the Thieves Guild stuff. But he has definitely taken a backseat whereas he was once one of the more popular characters.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jul 14, 2019 5:22:16 GMT -5
Saw it today, it was fun. Mysterio was great. I liked it more than Homecoming.
When Peter said "execute them all" I thought at the time, odd turn of phrase and was expecting something to come of it.
So, with the Skrulls. At first I thought everyone who blipped out would turn out to be a Skrull, but then I remembered Spidey did. So that theories gone
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jul 14, 2019 9:00:34 GMT -5
Spider-Man is my second favorite comic book character. I’ve read countless books, seen every tv show and every movie he’s appeared in.
I won’t be doing the last one after Far From Home.
I’ve never felt so sad after watching a movie. I know that sounds dramatic but its the only way to describe my feelings afterward. How could a studio that claims to be so invested in the source material completely miss the entire point and core of their flagship character.
This isn’t a whining but continuing to watch situation. The way the movie turned one of the best dramatic cliffhangers in recent movie history into a complete joke shows where the writer’s heads are at and I don’t care to watch anymore of it.
Call me when Sony makes another Spider-Verse.
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Post by chrom on Jul 14, 2019 12:25:01 GMT -5
Should break a billion next week
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Post by Heartbreaker on Jul 15, 2019 1:34:14 GMT -5
I finally got to see this today and it was a blast. Probably my favourite live-action Spider-Man movie (unfortunately, I still haven't seen Spider-Verse). {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I love that they did more with Peter's classmates. MJ really got to shine here compared to Homecoming where it seemed they had zero idea what to do with her, but FFH nailed her character perfectly. She's just a typical teenager with some weird quirks, you can see why Peter would like her compared to HC where she just exists and is a bit odd. I also love that she managed to help take down one of the drones. It really helps that Zendaya and Tom Holland have great chemistry together.
Same with Flash, I do like what they are doing with his character. I remember when HC came out there was so much bitching about him not being the stereotypical jock. It's not the 1980s where bullies throw you in a locker, bullies can also be little twats ...who constantly post Instagram stories. I thought that was a nice touch to Flash. He's also got hints to a shitty home life with neglectful parents. Makes sense why he's a dick. And finally, Betty Brant. She and Ned were so adorably annoying together. So happy they are doing more with her because Angourie Rice is such a young, talented actor. She was great in The Nice Guys.
Then there's Mysterio... Not a surprise Jake Gyllenhaal kicked ass because he's one of my favourite actors. Like everyone who has knowledge of comics, obvious that he was a villain, but he was just so likable when posing as a good guy. He definitely ain't dead and oh booooy, The Infinity Saga already had shades of it, but I am SO READY for the direction the movies are going to go in with paranoia and conspiracy theories. It's gonna be so much fun with J. Jonah Jameson being the Alex Jones of the MCU. I'm so goddamn happy J.K. Simmons is back!!! J. Jonah's gonna lose his mind when the world discovers Skrulls. Nice surprise to see Talos back too.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 15, 2019 1:47:10 GMT -5
Saw this today really enjoyed it... only thing I didn't particularly care for was the... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}EXECUTE THEM ALL! line... it stuck out as a completely unnatural thing for Spider-man to say just so Mysterio could use it later...
I guess his plan would be f***ed if Peter just said Yeah, shut them down. though my main thought reamins... how did it take 7 movies for them to finally get to Mysterio? His entire schtick was tailor made for a movie version... also {Spoiler}{Spoiler}JK SIMMONS BACK AS JJJ...
and JJJ is now part of an unreputable news website is pretty great. {Spoiler}Did anyone else catch ... Fury's "He's from Earth... just not yours." not... ours They have to be. Between the scene at the airport and the text he was sending his mom when Peter used EDITH on the bus... definitely using it for something in the future. Yeah, that was exactly my thought. They don't hit you over the head with it, but him asking his butler or whatever "so mom couldn't make it huh?" and then looking sad was conspicuous enough to where something is going to play out. Otherwise why have It there? I think part of it at the very least was showing another reason why he loves Spider-man so much... but I do think it's going somewhere...
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