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Post by Lupin the Third on Feb 2, 2019 0:29:39 GMT -5
Not gonna sift through 26 pages, but I'm guessing if he does return to the indies or to another big company, he'll wrestle as Jon Moxley, since they probably won't let him keep the Dean Ambrose name.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Feb 2, 2019 0:38:59 GMT -5
Not gonna sift through 26 pages, but I'm guessing if he does return to the indies or to another big company, he'll wrestle as Jon Moxley, since they probably won't let him keep the Dean Ambrose name. Me either, but per AOW when he joined WWE he told them he wanted to stay Jon Moxley, which would have presumably let WWE buy the name. They turned that down and told him to pick a new one. I bet they’re regretting that decision now.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 2, 2019 1:40:05 GMT -5
Not gonna sift through 26 pages, but I'm guessing if he does return to the indies or to another big company, he'll wrestle as Jon Moxley, since they probably won't let him keep the Dean Ambrose name. Me either, but per AOW when he joined WWE he told them he wanted to stay Jon Moxley, which would have presumably let WWE buy the name. They turned that down and told him to pick a new one. I bet they’re regretting that decision now. Yeah, he offered to let them have it, but they were intent on changing his name.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Feb 2, 2019 1:41:48 GMT -5
Not gonna sift through 26 pages, but I'm guessing if he does return to the indies or to another big company, he'll wrestle as Jon Moxley, since they probably won't let him keep the Dean Ambrose name. Me either, but per AOW when he joined WWE he told them he wanted to stay Jon Moxley, which would have presumably let WWE buy the name. They turned that down and told him to pick a new one. I bet they’re regretting that decision now. and it's perfect because now we can distinguish between WWE's Dean Ambrose and the potential that he could be even greater as free agent Jon Moxley. Had WWE let him use the name, he'd have to do some random "sorta the same name but not really like Big Cazz or something". Here he can now go back to Moxley and enter that headspace of being the freaking awesome performer, and mic worker that got him noticed in the first place. And plus it's a much better wrestling name. WWE were stupid (surprise) to pass on it. The only thing I ever liked about his WWE name was that he made an anarchy symbol out of it. That should have been his iconic shirt had they pushed him properly.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 3, 2019 2:10:31 GMT -5
Apparently at the house show tonight there was a Fatal-4-Way between Ambrose, Balor, Lashley and McIntyre and Ambrose was working as a face. Hmmm... And tonight, he teamed with Balor against Lashley and McIntyre. Of course, we’ll have to see if those changes are reflected on TV, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they were. And honestly, it wouldn’t need that much explanation. It could easily be covered as a man not exactly in a healthy state of mind to start with completely losing it when one of his only friends goes down ill with cancer, lashing out at his only other friend, and he’s made his mind up that he just needs to be away from things for a while before he can try and forgive himself for hurting Rollins and for saying hurtful things about Reigns. Having been there myself very recently, everyone’s reactions to someone close getting cancer can wildly vary. I know that I just wanted to shut myself away from absolutely everything.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 13:28:16 GMT -5
Apparently at the house show tonight there was a Fatal-4-Way between Ambrose, Balor, Lashley and McIntyre and Ambrose was working as a face. Hmmm... And tonight, he teamed with Balor against Lashley and McIntyre. Of course, we’ll have to see if those changes are reflected on TV, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they were. And honestly, it wouldn’t need that much explanation. It could easily be covered as a man not exactly in a healthy state of mind to start with completely losing it when one of his only friends goes down ill with cancer, lashing out at his only other friend, and he’s made his mind up that he just needs to be away from things for a while before he can try and forgive himself for hurting Rollins and for saying hurtful things about Reigns. Having been there myself very recently, everyone’s reactions to someone close getting cancer can wildly vary. I know that I just wanted to shut myself away from absolutely everything. Yeah I agree. Right now I wouldn't be against a "Farewell Ambrose Tour" or something similar to that. Have him say his mind hasn't been right and if he's the "moral compass" then it would make sense. Either way give him some good months of programming, a good WM match, someone can take him out post-WM and he'll be fine.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 3, 2019 13:58:54 GMT -5
And tonight, he teamed with Balor against Lashley and McIntyre. Of course, we’ll have to see if those changes are reflected on TV, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they were. And honestly, it wouldn’t need that much explanation. It could easily be covered as a man not exactly in a healthy state of mind to start with completely losing it when one of his only friends goes down ill with cancer, lashing out at his only other friend, and he’s made his mind up that he just needs to be away from things for a while before he can try and forgive himself for hurting Rollins and for saying hurtful things about Reigns. Having been there myself very recently, everyone’s reactions to someone close getting cancer can wildly vary. I know that I just wanted to shut myself away from absolutely everything. Yeah I agree. Right now I wouldn't be against a "Farewell Ambrose Tour" or something similar to that. Have him say his mind hasn't been right and if he's the "moral compass" then it would make sense. Either way give him some good months of programming, a good WM match, someone can take him out post-WM and he'll be fine. They can do an inverse of the 2017 tag team angle with Dean trying to get Seth’s forgiveness before he goes.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Feb 3, 2019 16:32:22 GMT -5
You'd think WWE would give him inducements to stay wouldn't you?
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 3, 2019 16:35:04 GMT -5
You'd think WWE would give him inducements to stay wouldn't you? They've tried. He was offered a significant raise and a top match for Mania (I don't think anyone knows for sure what that'd be. Triple H has been thrown out as an option, or possibly some involvement in the Brock match or something), but he was unswayed. Guessing that he wanted to break away in a way that wasn't really reconcilable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 16:58:27 GMT -5
If this isn’t a work, which I’m not sold that it isn’t, I wish he’d drop both the Moxley and Ambrose names and just wrestle as Jonathon Good. That name is Richard Blood levels of being more badass than their actual nom de plume.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Feb 3, 2019 17:56:11 GMT -5
You'd think WWE would give him inducements to stay wouldn't you? They've tried. He was offered a significant raise and a top match for Mania (I don't think anyone knows for sure what that'd be. Triple H has been thrown out as an option, or possibly some involvement in the Brock match or something), but he was unswayed. Guessing that he wanted to break away in a way that wasn't really reconcilable. I was thinking something more concrete like willingness to take his grievances seriously and promise long term booking that'll make him wanna stick around and keeping that promise. It couldn't possibly that hard. It wouldn't even have to be on top of the card.
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Post by benstudd on Feb 3, 2019 19:16:02 GMT -5
If this isn’t a work, which I’m not sold that it isn’t, I wish he’d drop both the Moxley and Ambrose names and just wrestle as Jonathon Good. That name is Richard Blood levels of being more badass than their actual nom de plume. It's kind of a shame that the name Johnny B. Badd name has been used already.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 4, 2019 3:20:36 GMT -5
They've tried. He was offered a significant raise and a top match for Mania (I don't think anyone knows for sure what that'd be. Triple H has been thrown out as an option, or possibly some involvement in the Brock match or something), but he was unswayed. Guessing that he wanted to break away in a way that wasn't really reconcilable. I was thinking something more concrete like willingness to take his grievances seriously and promise long term booking that'll make him wanna stick around and keeping that promise. It couldn't possibly that hard. It wouldn't even have to be on top of the card. If this is a long time concern, it's possible they've had those conversations and then he ends up.. well, with what he's been doing, so he doesn't trust them to follow through.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 4, 2019 5:58:21 GMT -5
I was thinking something more concrete like willingness to take his grievances seriously and promise long term booking that'll make him wanna stick around and keeping that promise. It couldn't possibly that hard. It wouldn't even have to be on top of the card. If this is a long time concern, it's possible they've had those conversations and then he ends up.. well, with what he's been doing, so he doesn't trust them to follow through. Right. They offered him some pretty serious scratch, I think it's safe to assume that this wasn't just a "one conversation" thing that led to him saying "f*** this shit I'm out".
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2019 6:02:54 GMT -5
If this is a long time concern, it's possible they've had those conversations and then he ends up.. well, with what he's been doing, so he doesn't trust them to follow through. Right. They offered him some pretty serious scratch, I think it's safe to assume that this wasn't just a "one conversation" thing that led to him saying "f*** this shit I'm out". Pretty much, particularly if almost dying and Roman being out for leukemia was enough to make him think, "is this making me happy? No? Then do I need to still be doing this?" I think we will never fully know, given he seems to be a private guy who infamously hates using social media, etc, so I mean, he might sit down for a podcast or something, but I think we're probably just never going to know the full reasoning.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 4, 2019 8:47:55 GMT -5
You'd think WWE would give him inducements to stay wouldn't you? They've tried. He was offered a significant raise and a top match for Mania (I don't think anyone knows for sure what that'd be. Triple H has been thrown out as an option, or possibly some involvement in the Brock match or something), but he was unswayed. Guessing that he wanted to break away in a way that wasn't really reconcilable. WWE really needs to lay off the “I think I’m done” “How about a match with Triple H?!!!” As a means to keep guys.
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 4, 2019 9:03:09 GMT -5
They've tried. He was offered a significant raise and a top match for Mania (I don't think anyone knows for sure what that'd be. Triple H has been thrown out as an option, or possibly some involvement in the Brock match or something), but he was unswayed. Guessing that he wanted to break away in a way that wasn't really reconcilable. WWE really needs to lay off the “I think I’m done” “How about a match with Triple H?!!!” As a means to keep guys. I doubt being given the offer to work Triple H would be an incentive for anyone to stick around, these days. With Ambrose, I feel like the only thing that might tempt him is, 'we'll give you creative control of your character - matches, promos, feuds, the lot. Show us who you want to be.' And even then, it sounds like he's just not happy in the WWE, and would rather be gone.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 4, 2019 9:03:52 GMT -5
They've tried. He was offered a significant raise and a top match for Mania (I don't think anyone knows for sure what that'd be. Triple H has been thrown out as an option, or possibly some involvement in the Brock match or something), but he was unswayed. Guessing that he wanted to break away in a way that wasn't really reconcilable. WWE really needs to lay off the “I think I’m done” “How about a match with Triple H?!!!” As a means to keep guys. Not singling out Triple H, but it does indicate something larger at work that's hurting WWE, and maybe it's become a problem with both the audience and with some of the talent: since they've spent so many years not allowing 99% of the talent to rise too high or become bigger stars (which is part of what makes this current Becky Lynch push so remarkable), it means there's a whole lost generation thing going on where there's not a ton creatively that WWE can offer its higher card names to entice them to stay. If you have to resort to "have a match with Triple H!", it highlights Trips' age and his not exactly representing the present day of pro wrestling, and makes clear there aren't enough current day guys that wrestlers feel they can have creatively fulfilling, career-bettering angles with. That's obviously not a knock on the individual talent given the sheer volume of excellent wrestlers on the modern WWE roster, but they just don't use them in particularly interesting ways, so what's the allure of sticking around if you feel creatively unsatisfied and have already made enough money, however much might be "enough" for you? Dean has had two chances to have a blood feud with Seth Rollins, a guy he clearly holds dear and would have a lot of chemistry with, and yet each time he got the chance the angle ended up involving hot dog carts, needles in his ass, and even a match the crowd couldn't stand on pay per view...if something really good can't come out of that for both men, what are the odds there'll be a different feud or angle for Ambrose that does end up working out well?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 9:50:40 GMT -5
If its a work, it'd be weird to "leak" dean turned down 7 figures due to artistic integrity when he took the payday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 11:12:30 GMT -5
Also I heard (not sure if it's from WON, PWI or Torch) that said Ambrose wasn't burnt out with wrestling or drained, they said he was hungry. So it seems he's really just fed up with how WWE does things rather than being done with wrestling in general.
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