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Post by Sparvid on Feb 5, 2019 6:35:14 GMT -5
Since it is an expiring contract and not a release, there is not a 90 day no compete is there? If not he could be free for double or nothing A quick search shows that sometimes companies can go to court to activate the non-compete clause in even an expired contract to prevent the employee from working for a competitor. So if he goes to AEW, WWE could try something to stop him for 90 days; but anyone else maybe they wouldn't. And obviously, if he just leaves wrestling for a while, it's all moot anyway. When Christian's contract expired, he still showed up at Taboo Tuesday the next day since he was one of the people who could've been voted into one of the matches, and then he appeared in TNA less than two weeks later.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 6:55:00 GMT -5
We know the REAL reason he is leaving. They never gave him a good frikking theme song! The first version of his theme was damn good. Then the whiny guitar and nothing breakdown just sort of dropped it off a bit. Holy shit, this. The original version he had in summer 2014 was WAY better.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 5, 2019 6:58:24 GMT -5
First Enzo gets himself fired, now it looks like Dean's on the way out. Poor Nia. Easily the most entertaining Dean's been since the heel turn, though. Man if Dean hates goofy shit then the fact he's m,moved right on back into it again has got to feel like a f***ing challenge from the office.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 8:10:29 GMT -5
A quick search shows that sometimes companies can go to court to activate the non-compete clause in even an expired contract to prevent the employee from working for a competitor. So if he goes to AEW, WWE could try something to stop him for 90 days; but anyone else maybe they wouldn't. And obviously, if he just leaves wrestling for a while, it's all moot anyway. When Christian's contract expired, he still showed up at Taboo Tuesday the next day since he was one of the people who could've been voted into one of the matches, and then he appeared in TNA less than two weeks later. True. But in this environment of AEW possibly being a problem, I could see WWE trying to prevent anyone from just showing up elsewhere (especially there) after a contract expires. Even if they know it's a fruitless battle they'll lose because they have no grounds to stand on, at least they've screwed with the competition by legally stalling that wrestler from going there and mucking up the competitor's plans to use them to their benefit. This all revolves around the fact that the WWE is petty. Always have, always will. They will fight to screw over competitors, and screw over talent as a result.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 5, 2019 8:39:06 GMT -5
I still think Ambrose played this one wrong. WWE has all the ability to job him and bury him for the next couple of months. He should have just kept kinda negotiating with no serious intent of signing, then they might job him once at WM or something but otherwise wouldn't crap all over him.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 5, 2019 8:42:41 GMT -5
I still think Ambrose played this one wrong. WWE has all the ability to job him and bury him for the next couple of months. He should have just kept kinda negotiating with no serious intent of signing, then they might job him once at WM or something but otherwise wouldn't crap all over him. And how in the context of modern fandom does that not create a situation of intense sympathy for Dean in the event he goes off to AEW, and not make WWE look like petty dickbags? He's too established now for people to just think "Oh I guess he sucks" over two months of blatant spite burials.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 5, 2019 9:02:59 GMT -5
Honestly, who even cares if he goes out on his back? If he goes to AEW, Cody's not going to book him any differently from if Vince let him go out on top.
I just hope it doesn't get held too harshly against the guys who Vince has him lay down for in the meantime.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 9:05:01 GMT -5
FYI, was reading the Wrestling Observer Rewind recaps on Reddit just now and found this tidbit: So non-compete clauses apparently can extend beyond a contract's expiration. Let's hope this isn't a standard thing in WWE contracts these days (I'd gather WCW had them since Turner/Time Warner was involved) & Ambrose's doesn't have that if he intends on going to another company...
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Post by cjh on Feb 5, 2019 9:06:55 GMT -5
When Christian's contract expired, he still showed up at Taboo Tuesday the next day since he was one of the people who could've been voted into one of the matches, and then he appeared in TNA less than two weeks later. True. But in this environment of AEW possibly being a problem, I could see WWE trying to prevent anyone from just showing up elsewhere (especially there) after a contract expires. Even if they know it's a fruitless battle they'll lose because they have no grounds to stand on, at least they've screwed with the competition by legally stalling that wrestler from going there and mucking up the competitor's plans to use them to their benefit. This all revolves around the fact that the WWE is petty. Always have, always will. They will fight to screw over competitors, and screw over talent as a result. There's no such thing as a no-compete for an expired WWE contract. The 90-day no competes are for guys who quit or get fired with 3 months or more left to go on the deal.
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Post by cjh on Feb 5, 2019 9:12:29 GMT -5
FYI, was reading the Wrestling Observer Rewind recaps on Reddit just now and found this tidbit: So non-compete clauses apparently can extend beyond a contract's expiration. Let's hope this isn't a standard thing in WWE contracts these days (I'd gather WCW had them since Turner/Time Warner was involved) & Ambrose's doesn't have that if he intends on going to another company... That doesn't sound legal, unless WCW was still paying Muta during that time. You can pay someone to not go to a competitor or you can not pay them another dime and let them work anywhere but not both. WWE tried to do that to Lesnar, and he won easily.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 5, 2019 11:04:29 GMT -5
I still think Ambrose played this one wrong. WWE has all the ability to job him and bury him for the next couple of months. He should have just kept kinda negotiating with no serious intent of signing, then they might job him once at WM or something but otherwise wouldn't crap all over him. And how in the context of modern fandom does that not create a situation of intense sympathy for Dean in the event he goes off to AEW, and not make WWE look like petty dickbags? He's too established now for people to just think "Oh I guess he sucks" over two months of blatant spite burials. It can certainly damage his aura to some people, especially to those newer viewers the AEW will try to get outside of their established Elite followers.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 5, 2019 11:34:47 GMT -5
And how in the context of modern fandom does that not create a situation of intense sympathy for Dean in the event he goes off to AEW, and not make WWE look like petty dickbags? He's too established now for people to just think "Oh I guess he sucks" over two months of blatant spite burials. It can certainly damage his aura to some people, especially to those newer viewers the AEW will try to get outside of their established Elite followers. If you mean newer viewers as in people who aren't currently very into wrestling and either don't know Dean or haven't watched in a long time, those people aren't going to be exposed to this burial in the first place and it won't matter. He's a guy whose aura has nothing to do with badass cred and who got super over while being the least strongly pushed of the Shield guys post-breakup. For a while the man lost every big match he was in, including losses to Bray actual Wyatt and that Brock squash that to this day is so controversial it's cited as a reason why people want Brock off their screens. He was still super over during that period in spite of it, was a credible world champion from the moment he started, and carried Smackdown in the early days of the new brand split. I don't see any way this hurts him, and a lot of ways in which it gives him all the sympathy in the world moving forward into any potential next step. Only way he trashes this is if he cuts a classic "that company up north" promo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 12:07:54 GMT -5
Ambrose losing matches before he leaves isn't going to suddenly make him lose his aura with whatever he does beyond WWE. If people are smart enough to discover him in another company or know he's headed to another company then all they'll do is see his highlights in WWE and that'll be it. Once newcomers find out he's from WWE I guarantee you that all they'll read are statements about Ambrose being a former world champion, grand slam champion, one of the most popular stars this past decade, stuff like that goes well above if he loses matches on his last days. If they want to dig into how his last days in the WWE were they'll easily find the reason why he lost those matches along with the fact he lost them.
It's not a big deal, I think people are just way too passionate when really Ambrose leaving like this has been part of the business for decades. He's completely fine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 12:50:40 GMT -5
First Enzo gets himself fired, now it looks like Dean's on the way out. Poor Nia. Easily the most entertaining Dean's been since the heel turn, though. Man if Dean hates goofy shit then the fact he's m,moved right on back into it again has got to feel like a f***ing challenge from the office. Dean’s problem in WWE goes back to the shield breakup in 2014 the company wanted Roman to be the top face and Seth a top heel heel while he was just gonna be a guy but the fans took to dean the most then dean had to make a movie so they crushed his head with cinderblocks like they would do at any normal job.He returned as a crazy bad ass and then he made the mistake of showing that he could pull off goofy shit well and vince loved it and that became his character rigging mitb briefcases to shoot green slime,stealing hotdog carts and attacking seth with mustard etc.I remember soon after that Dean was on talk is jericho and jericho said it was great dean showed the ability to do goofy stuff but sometimes if you do it to well and vince likes it you can get locked into that type of character and there’s only so far you’ll get pushed after that and vince will more than likely go back to the goofy shit.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 5, 2019 12:51:43 GMT -5
He's never been booked properly, He should be a Pillman but WWE has booked him as a prankster.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 5, 2019 12:52:54 GMT -5
It can certainly damage his aura to some people, especially to those newer viewers the AEW will try to get outside of their established Elite followers. If you mean newer viewers as in people who aren't currently very into wrestling and either don't know Dean or haven't watched in a long time, those people aren't going to be exposed to this burial in the first place and it won't matter. He's a guy whose aura has nothing to do with badass cred and who got super over while being the least strongly pushed of the Shield guys post-breakup. For a while the man lost every big match he was in, including losses to Bray actual Wyatt and that Brock squash that to this day is so controversial it's cited as a reason why people want Brock off their screens. He was still super over during that period in spite of it, was a credible world champion from the moment he started, and carried Smackdown in the early days of the new brand split. I don't see any way this hurts him, and a lot of ways in which it gives him all the sympathy in the world moving forward into any potential next step. Only way he trashes this is if he cuts a classic "that company up north" promo. New viewers as in non-smark WWE fans.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 5, 2019 13:02:43 GMT -5
If you mean newer viewers as in people who aren't currently very into wrestling and either don't know Dean or haven't watched in a long time, those people aren't going to be exposed to this burial in the first place and it won't matter. He's a guy whose aura has nothing to do with badass cred and who got super over while being the least strongly pushed of the Shield guys post-breakup. For a while the man lost every big match he was in, including losses to Bray actual Wyatt and that Brock squash that to this day is so controversial it's cited as a reason why people want Brock off their screens. He was still super over during that period in spite of it, was a credible world champion from the moment he started, and carried Smackdown in the early days of the new brand split. I don't see any way this hurts him, and a lot of ways in which it gives him all the sympathy in the world moving forward into any potential next step. Only way he trashes this is if he cuts a classic "that company up north" promo. New viewers as in non-smark WWE fans. Again, dude lived through a streak of big losses and looked like a pathetic joke against Lesnar. It did nothing to hurt his overness with the audience. His ability to make anything that's given to him work and the connection he has with the audience isn't going to be crushed by a few months of losing to guys he would have otherwise made easy work of. A casual fan disconnected enough not to care about the backstage goings on who likes Dean now is still going to like him in April. And if he does go to AEW and does get the opportunity to be in greater control and do his own thing, the spark of what he can do character-wise is going to instantly re-establish that credibility, because it's his force of personality and what he does as a character that's formed this connection in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 13:03:42 GMT -5
It can certainly damage his aura to some people, especially to those newer viewers the AEW will try to get outside of their established Elite followers. If you mean newer viewers as in people who aren't currently very into wrestling and either don't know Dean or haven't watched in a long time, those people aren't going to be exposed to this burial in the first place and it won't matter. He's a guy whose aura has nothing to do with badass cred and who got super over while being the least strongly pushed of the Shield guys post-breakup. For a while the man lost every big match he was in, including losses to Bray actual Wyatt and that Brock squash that to this day is so controversial it's cited as a reason why people want Brock off their screens. He was still super over during that period in spite of it, was a credible world champion from the moment he started, and carried Smackdown in the early days of the new brand split. I don't see any way this hurts him, and a lot of ways in which it gives him all the sympathy in the world moving forward into any potential next step. Only way he trashes this is if he cuts a classic "that company up north" promo. Yeah, doing the job on the way out isn’t a sign that they’re burying him or doing this or that. I’m sure he did it in his final indie days as well. It’s the name of the game. I doubt “new” fans are going to care about some dude losing on TV a bunch knowing his contract is set to expire in April.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 13:05:34 GMT -5
Man if Dean hates goofy shit then the fact he's m,moved right on back into it again has got to feel like a f***ing challenge from the office. Dean’s problem in WWE goes back to the shield breakup in 2014 the company wanted Roman to be the top face and Seth a top heel heel while he was just gonna be a guy but the fans took to dean the most then dean had to make a movie so they crushed his head with cinderblocks like they would do at any normal job.He returned as a crazy bad ass and then he made the mistake of showing that he could pull off goofy shit well and vince loved it and that became his character rigging mitb briefcases to shoot green slime,stealing hotdog carts and attacking seth with mustard etc.I remember soon after that Dean was on talk is jericho and jericho said it was great dean showed the ability to do goofy stuff but sometimes if you do it to well and vince likes it you can get locked into that type of character and there’s only so far you’ll get pushed after that and vince will more than likely go back to the goofy shit. I remember saying the same thing. Dude is TOO good at doing the comedy stuff.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 5, 2019 13:24:05 GMT -5
New viewers as in non-smark WWE fans. Again, dude lived through a streak of big losses and looked like a pathetic joke against Lesnar. It did nothing to hurt his overness with the audience. His ability to make anything that's given to him work and the connection he has with the audience isn't going to be crushed by a few months of losing to guys he would have otherwise made easy work of. A casual fan disconnected enough not to care about the backstage goings on who likes Dean now is still going to like him in April. And if he does go to AEW and does get the opportunity to be in greater control and do his own thing, the spark of what he can do character-wise is going to instantly re-establish that credibility, because it's his force of personality and what he does as a character that's formed this connection in the first place. Not saying he’d be irreparably harmed. Just saying it can do some damage to make him slightly less credible to some viewers. Losing to Lesnar won’t kill him obviously. But think more along the lines of Jericho losing to Fandango and Foley losing to everyone in the later stages of his career as the type of damage I’m thinking about.
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