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Post by chrom on Aug 13, 2019 15:49:39 GMT -5
Moxley has challenged Robinson to a No DQ Match for The United States Championship
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Post by eJm on Aug 13, 2019 16:01:40 GMT -5
That’s the face of a man that knows his fate.
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Post by Convoy on Aug 13, 2019 16:15:16 GMT -5
“I bet you’re wondering how I got here.”
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 13, 2019 16:34:41 GMT -5
That slight smirk KENTA got of this is some cool shit happening right now with the potential of more if Shibata gets cleared
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Post by corndog on Aug 13, 2019 22:12:46 GMT -5
The "Winner of Night 1 fights IC champion on Night 2" thing does make me feel better about the G1 result, if they do go that route. Does make me think Ibushi is super not winning night 1, but that's fine by me. I'd rather Okada and Naito end it once and for all than watch Naito drop Ibushi on his head because Ibushi makes stupid life decisions. He's popped up here and there. His first two heavyweight matches with Naito(also their match at TakaTaichimania) and Tanahashi showed him motivated, and he was there against Ishii in the New Japan Cup. Taichi has been teetering on the line of the usual cheating like hell/trolling Taichi and motivated Taichi since moving up to heavyweight. But Ishii has definitely brought out the best in him and I was glad to see him finally win a match a clean. It seems he has been fighting people clean at first, but failing, so he goes back to his old habits, which is what happened with the Naito feud. Honestly, kinda makes me think they might be trying to turn Taichi face and are building to that, with Ishii having told him prior to this to drop the cheap tricks and fight, because he could. Then again, though, they also had him pick up a protege in DOUKI and take possession of the Iron Finger as his nuclear option, so maybe he's going to stay heel. I don't know about Taichi ever turning full blown face, but perhaps an anti-hero like Naito. New Japan officials don't take him seriously, so he doesn't take it seriously either. He clearly has a chip on his shoulder, much like Naito, but now that he is getting opportunities he is starting to feel the need to prove how good he can be. I think much like Naito, he will still play heel and take cheap shots in matches, but also much like Naito, he can work from underneath and have the fans behind him. As of late though, it seems like SUZUKI-GUN is turning more tweener like LIJ. I think they will still play heel most of the time, but there are many examples of them working a more clean style as of late. Lance Archer won the fans over with his matches in the G1. Taka was working the cleanest I have seen in years in the BOSJ and even pulled out some old moves, which sadly caused his injury. Kanemaru is still a cheating dick, but that is about it. Iizuka retiring and soon Minoru Suzuki to follow should lead them into a new direction. Also, since the Elite's exodus from Bullet Club, Bullet Club has became the pure heel faction which allows Suzuki-Gun someone to play the face against occasionally.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 13, 2019 22:17:47 GMT -5
The "Winner of Night 1 fights IC champion on Night 2" thing does make me feel better about the G1 result, if they do go that route. Does make me think Ibushi is super not winning night 1, but that's fine by me. I'd rather Okada and Naito end it once and for all than watch Naito drop Ibushi on his head because Ibushi makes stupid life decisions. Honestly, kinda makes me think they might be trying to turn Taichi face and are building to that, with Ishii having told him prior to this to drop the cheap tricks and fight, because he could. Then again, though, they also had him pick up a protege in DOUKI and take possession of the Iron Finger as his nuclear option, so maybe he's going to stay heel. I don't know about Taichi ever turning full blown face, but perhaps an anti-hero like Naito. New Japan officials don't take him seriously, so he doesn't take it seriously either. He clearly has a chip on his shoulder, much like Naito, but now that he is getting opportunities he is starting to feel the need to prove how good he can be. I think much like Naito, he will still play heel and take cheap shots in matches, but also much like Naito, he can work from underneath and have the fans behind him. As of late though, it seems like SUZUKI-GUN is turning more tweener like LIJ. I think they will still play heel most of the time, but there are many examples of them working a more clean style as of late. Lance Archer won the fans over with his matches in the G1. Taka was working the cleanest I have seen in years in the BOSJ and even pulled out some old moves, which sadly caused his injury. Kanemaru is still a cheating dick, but that is about it. Iizuka retiring and soon Minoru Suzuki to follow should lead them into a new direction. Also, since the Elite's exodus from Bullet Club, Bullet Club has became the pure heel faction which allows Suzuki-Gun someone to play the face against occasionally. Yeah, ZSJ is still full-on heel, and getting a lot funner at it than when he began ("Showing technical wrestling to Americans is like reading Shakespeare to Dogs" is just such a perfect sentiment from him, plus him antagonizing Lance Archer like he did in the G1), but a lot of the others are loosening up on that front, like you say. It's going to be interesting when El Desperado returns from injury, to see if he follows that route or stays being a pure heel.
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Post by corndog on Aug 13, 2019 22:47:27 GMT -5
I don't know about Taichi ever turning full blown face, but perhaps an anti-hero like Naito. New Japan officials don't take him seriously, so he doesn't take it seriously either. He clearly has a chip on his shoulder, much like Naito, but now that he is getting opportunities he is starting to feel the need to prove how good he can be. I think much like Naito, he will still play heel and take cheap shots in matches, but also much like Naito, he can work from underneath and have the fans behind him. As of late though, it seems like SUZUKI-GUN is turning more tweener like LIJ. I think they will still play heel most of the time, but there are many examples of them working a more clean style as of late. Lance Archer won the fans over with his matches in the G1. Taka was working the cleanest I have seen in years in the BOSJ and even pulled out some old moves, which sadly caused his injury. Kanemaru is still a cheating dick, but that is about it. Iizuka retiring and soon Minoru Suzuki to follow should lead them into a new direction. Also, since the Elite's exodus from Bullet Club, Bullet Club has became the pure heel faction which allows Suzuki-Gun someone to play the face against occasionally. Yeah, ZSJ is still full-on heel, and getting a lot funner at it than when he began ("Showing technical wrestling to Americans is like reading Shakespeare to Dogs" is just such a perfect sentiment from him, plus him antagonizing Lance Archer like he did in the G1), but a lot of the others are loosening up on that front, like you say. It's going to be interesting when El Desperado returns from injury, to see if he follows that route or stays being a pure heel. Despy is also an interesting one because he is popular with the fans. Even Suzuki after finding out he wasn't in the G1, told New Japan to listen to the fans, they want him in, which is very rare for him. Usually he craps on the fans and says he doesn't care what they think.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 19:45:58 GMT -5
The "Winner of Night 1 fights IC champion on Night 2" thing does make me feel better about the G1 result, if they do go that route. Does make me think Ibushi is super not winning night 1, but that's fine by me. I'd rather Okada and Naito end it once and for all than watch Naito drop Ibushi on his head because Ibushi makes stupid life decisions. Honestly, kinda makes me think they might be trying to turn Taichi face and are building to that, with Ishii having told him prior to this to drop the cheap tricks and fight, because he could. Then again, though, they also had him pick up a protege in DOUKI and take possession of the Iron Finger as his nuclear option, so maybe he's going to stay heel. I don't know about Taichi ever turning full blown face, but perhaps an anti-hero like Naito. New Japan officials don't take him seriously, so he doesn't take it seriously either. He clearly has a chip on his shoulder, much like Naito, but now that he is getting opportunities he is starting to feel the need to prove how good he can be. I think much like Naito, he will still play heel and take cheap shots in matches, but also much like Naito, he can work from underneath and have the fans behind him. As of late though, it seems like SUZUKI-GUN is turning more tweener like LIJ. I think they will still play heel most of the time, but there are many examples of them working a more clean style as of late. Lance Archer won the fans over with his matches in the G1. Taka was working the cleanest I have seen in years in the BOSJ and even pulled out some old moves, which sadly caused his injury. Kanemaru is still a cheating dick, but that is about it. Iizuka retiring and soon Minoru Suzuki to follow should lead them into a new direction. Also, since the Elite's exodus from Bullet Club, Bullet Club has became the pure heel faction which allows Suzuki-Gun someone to play the face against occasionally. Was just thinking about this on the ride home from work. I dunno as I can pinpoint exactly when it happened, but they've definitely switched roles a bit. Suzuki-gun is still a gang full of mean-spirited maniacs, but they've got so much raw talent and dark passion that you need to respect them. Like some other posters said, my original thought was KENTA to Suzuki-gun if he turned heel. I think the office saw the kind of genuine heat he has, and knew even Suzuki-gun wouldn't be heel enough to house him.
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Post by chrom on Aug 14, 2019 19:52:40 GMT -5
Moxley's NJPW contract lasts through WK
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 14, 2019 20:22:26 GMT -5
Yeah, and I could see them not getting in the way of him working it unless the math just wasn't going to work. Moxley wants his freedom, obviously, and it'd likely be a big payday, in addition to being a lot of exposure.
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Post by chrom on Aug 15, 2019 10:03:53 GMT -5
Total attendance was 97,215, up 6.5 percent from last year.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 15, 2019 11:27:05 GMT -5
Yeh,according to WON Shibata was a one-off deal.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 15, 2019 11:33:40 GMT -5
Yeh,according to WON Shibata was a one-off deal. Not surprised there. He’s physically capable of doing a run in but a Match is a different story and I doubt he would get cleared for it. It was cool to see him get physical for the first time in a few years but his health is more important and in the end you can say KENTA betrayal cut him so deep that he couldn’t help himself which helps sell that story
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 15, 2019 16:06:10 GMT -5
Yeh,according to WON Shibata was a one-off deal. Not surprised there. He’s physically capable of doing a run in but a Match is a different story and I doubt he would get cleared for it. It was cool to see him get physical for the first time in a few years but his health is more important and in the end you can say KENTA betrayal cut him so deep that he couldn’t help himself which helps sell that story Makes sense. Would be nice to see him in Goto's corner against KENTA or something like that, though I don't know if Shibata and Goto ever made up or not when Shibata had his tryst with the married woman and Goto was pretty damn open on social media in his disapproval.
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Post by corndog on Aug 15, 2019 16:28:30 GMT -5
Yeh,according to WON Shibata was a one-off deal. I never know how much is leaked to Meltzer via New Japan. He obviously has a good source, but he didn't know it was Moxley for sure, he usually just knows contracts and injuries, which New Japan doesn't seem to mind sharing themselves. I think Shibata is something that even his sources might work him for the surprise or chance that Shibata does get cleared.
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Post by Convoy on Aug 15, 2019 16:42:36 GMT -5
Not surprised there. He’s physically capable of doing a run in but a Match is a different story and I doubt he would get cleared for it. It was cool to see him get physical for the first time in a few years but his health is more important and in the end you can say KENTA betrayal cut him so deep that he couldn’t help himself which helps sell that story Makes sense. Would be nice to see him in Goto's corner against KENTA or something like that, though I don't know if Shibata and Goto ever made up or not when Shibata had his tryst with the married woman and Goto was pretty damn open on social media in his disapproval. They seem to be on much better terms now than the prior two years. This came up in another thread a few weeks back, and the takeaway was that Goto is a known family man who is very traditional; he loves his friend, but he didn't approve of how his friend acted.
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Post by chrom on Aug 15, 2019 16:53:51 GMT -5
Goto's damaged goods, rather not see Shibata tie himself down to him.
I'd rather see Tanahashi face Kenta at The Dome instead given his and Shibata's moniker of The New Musketeers.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 15, 2019 16:55:43 GMT -5
Goto's damaged goods, rather not see Shibata tie himself down to him. I'd rather see Tanahashi face Kenta at The Dome instead given his and Shibata's moniker of The New Musketeers. Tanahashi would also be a great match, though part of me is expecting he might get Moxley at WK.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 15, 2019 16:58:14 GMT -5
Goto's damaged goods, rather not see Shibata tie himself down to him. I'd rather see Tanahashi face Kenta at The Dome instead given his and Shibata's moniker of The New Musketeers. Tanahashi would also be a great match, though part of me is expecting he might get Moxley at WK. More like Jericho vs Tana
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