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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 15, 2019 16:59:09 GMT -5
Goto's damaged goods, rather not see Shibata tie himself down to him. I'd rather see Tanahashi face Kenta at The Dome instead given his and Shibata's moniker of The New Musketeers. No really. He is not that far removed from making the NEVER title actually mean something for a while
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Aug 15, 2019 16:59:43 GMT -5
Goto's damaged goods, rather not see Shibata tie himself down to him. I'd rather see Tanahashi face Kenta at The Dome instead given his and Shibata's moniker of The New Musketeers. Tanahashi would also be a great match, though part of me is expecting he might get Moxley at WK. I thought possibly Jericho.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 15, 2019 17:00:36 GMT -5
Not surprised there. He’s physically capable of doing a run in but a Match is a different story and I doubt he would get cleared for it. It was cool to see him get physical for the first time in a few years but his health is more important and in the end you can say KENTA betrayal cut him so deep that he couldn’t help himself which helps sell that story Makes sense. Would be nice to see him in Goto's corner against KENTA or something like that, though I don't know if Shibata and Goto ever made up or not when Shibata had his tryst with the married woman and Goto was pretty damn open on social media in his disapproval. I think Shibata and Goto are good now. Usually it seems the wrestlers police that stuff themselves and it gets hashed out over time
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Post by Convoy on Aug 15, 2019 17:32:48 GMT -5
Yeah, it’ll probably be Tana vs. Jericho at WK. They hinted to it after the Dominion main event, and Tana is the last of the Big 4 for Jericho to face from when he first came back to the company.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Aug 15, 2019 20:37:54 GMT -5
A lot of Japanese fans still get excited for Goto when he pulls upsets and has good showings, but unfortunately they sorta did away with his potential long ago.
Also, a memorial show in November for The Destroyer (Dick Beyer) has been announced, and the main event will be Liger, Keiji Mutoh, and Kento Miyahara vs. BUSHI, SANADA, and KAI.
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Post by cmhunk on Aug 15, 2019 20:47:41 GMT -5
I know Mutoh can’t really go these days but I can’t wait to see some interactions between Sanada and him.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 15, 2019 21:48:04 GMT -5
Goto's damaged goods, rather not see Shibata tie himself down to him. I'd rather see Tanahashi face Kenta at The Dome instead given his and Shibata's moniker of The New Musketeers. No really. He is not that far removed from making the NEVER title actually mean something for a while That, and just listening to his reactions late in the tournament they've done a decent job in rebuilding some of his credibility with the audience, to the point where he could pretty easily get back into the IC title scene. I'll always hold out a smidgen of hope that he'll eventually get that "thank you" main title run, and his performance/booking in this tournament at least builds him up enough that he feels like a feasible challenger again for the first time since late 2016...though where I agree that he's "damaged goods" is that they really only have one more chance to give him a heavyweight title match, which will need to either be him finally winning the big one or him saying it'll be his last shot. And yeah, I do think Tana is most likely lined up for Jericho at WK, given the post-match stuff at Dominion. I'm more curious what Tana's next longer-term angle is going to be, given how this was the first G1 that really had him show his age in terms of his results.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 16, 2019 1:03:43 GMT -5
No really. He is not that far removed from making the NEVER title actually mean something for a while That, and just listening to his reactions late in the tournament they've done a decent job in rebuilding some of his credibility with the audience, to the point where he could pretty easily get back into the IC title scene. I'll always hold out a smidgen of hope that he'll eventually get that "thank you" main title run, and his performance/booking in this tournament at least builds him up enough that he feels like a feasible challenger again for the first time since late 2016...though where I agree that he's "damaged goods" is that they really only have one more chance to give him a heavyweight title match, which will need to either be him finally winning the big one or him saying it'll be his last shot. And yeah, I do think Tana is most likely lined up for Jericho at WK, given the post-match stuff at Dominion. I'm more curious what Tana's next longer-term angle is going to be, given how this was the first G1 that really had him show his age in terms of his results. Yea, fans still do love Goto and he doesn't have the choker label hard on him as he once did. I still think they can play the IWGP championship card one more time but it will have to be the last time win or lose but that's basically his only damage. He made the NEVER title better and should be in IC title contention As far as Tana goes, it seems to be up in the air. I believe that if NJPW is serious about continuing to do the U.S. expansions you know Tana will always be on the card as a living legend and he should be the U.S. champ. Even at his age he can still go and giving him that title for a year will add a lot of credibility to it and just the fact when they do travel overseas you have the novelty to say Tana will face this person with the title on the line. He's done all he can with the IC title and doesn't need that anymore and winning the IWGP HW title at WK this year was his last hurrah. U.S. title seems right up his alley and you can throw challengers at him
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 16, 2019 7:15:39 GMT -5
That, and just listening to his reactions late in the tournament they've done a decent job in rebuilding some of his credibility with the audience, to the point where he could pretty easily get back into the IC title scene. I'll always hold out a smidgen of hope that he'll eventually get that "thank you" main title run, and his performance/booking in this tournament at least builds him up enough that he feels like a feasible challenger again for the first time since late 2016...though where I agree that he's "damaged goods" is that they really only have one more chance to give him a heavyweight title match, which will need to either be him finally winning the big one or him saying it'll be his last shot. And yeah, I do think Tana is most likely lined up for Jericho at WK, given the post-match stuff at Dominion. I'm more curious what Tana's next longer-term angle is going to be, given how this was the first G1 that really had him show his age in terms of his results. Yea, fans still do love Goto and he doesn't have the choker label hard on him as he once did. I still think they can play the IWGP championship card one more time but it will have to be the last time win or lose but that's basically his only damage. He made the NEVER title better and should be in IC title contention As far as Tana goes, it seems to be up in the air. I believe that if NJPW is serious about continuing to do the U.S. expansions you know Tana will always be on the card as a living legend and he should be the U.S. champ. Even at his age he can still go and giving him that title for a year will add a lot of credibility to it and just the fact when they do travel overseas you have the novelty to say Tana will face this person with the title on the line. He's done all he can with the IC title and doesn't need that anymore and winning the IWGP HW title at WK this year was his last hurrah. U.S. title seems right up his alley and you can throw challengers at him I remember a few years ago when Tana did an interview an said that a non-IWGP title he'd like to win would be the ROH title; tells me he'd be interested in doing a couple of longer stays in the US and getting to work some western wrestlers in front of western crowds. Definitely an idea, especially if they're able to run more often on the left coast.
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Post by corndog on Aug 16, 2019 15:30:16 GMT -5
That, and just listening to his reactions late in the tournament they've done a decent job in rebuilding some of his credibility with the audience, to the point where he could pretty easily get back into the IC title scene. I'll always hold out a smidgen of hope that he'll eventually get that "thank you" main title run, and his performance/booking in this tournament at least builds him up enough that he feels like a feasible challenger again for the first time since late 2016...though where I agree that he's "damaged goods" is that they really only have one more chance to give him a heavyweight title match, which will need to either be him finally winning the big one or him saying it'll be his last shot. And yeah, I do think Tana is most likely lined up for Jericho at WK, given the post-match stuff at Dominion. I'm more curious what Tana's next longer-term angle is going to be, given how this was the first G1 that really had him show his age in terms of his results. Yea, fans still do love Goto and he doesn't have the choker label hard on him as he once did. I still think they can play the IWGP championship card one more time but it will have to be the last time win or lose but that's basically his only damage. He made the NEVER title better and should be in IC title contention As far as Tana goes, it seems to be up in the air. I believe that if NJPW is serious about continuing to do the U.S. expansions you know Tana will always be on the card as a living legend and he should be the U.S. champ. Even at his age he can still go and giving him that title for a year will add a lot of credibility to it and just the fact when they do travel overseas you have the novelty to say Tana will face this person with the title on the line. He's done all he can with the IC title and doesn't need that anymore and winning the IWGP HW title at WK this year was his last hurrah. U.S. title seems right up his alley and you can throw challengers at him I think the US title would be a good one for Goto. He did a good job of elevating the NEVER title and he usually works the US tours.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 16, 2019 15:35:41 GMT -5
Yea, fans still do love Goto and he doesn't have the choker label hard on him as he once did. I still think they can play the IWGP championship card one more time but it will have to be the last time win or lose but that's basically his only damage. He made the NEVER title better and should be in IC title contention As far as Tana goes, it seems to be up in the air. I believe that if NJPW is serious about continuing to do the U.S. expansions you know Tana will always be on the card as a living legend and he should be the U.S. champ. Even at his age he can still go and giving him that title for a year will add a lot of credibility to it and just the fact when they do travel overseas you have the novelty to say Tana will face this person with the title on the line. He's done all he can with the IC title and doesn't need that anymore and winning the IWGP HW title at WK this year was his last hurrah. U.S. title seems right up his alley and you can throw challengers at him I think the US title would be a good one for Goto. He did a good job of elevating the NEVER title and he usually works the US tours. Goto as U.S. champ works too. I still think and is hoping for an Ishii and Goto team up as they could give the tag division a big shot in the arm. ZSJ/Suzuki would obviously be the other choice but it all depends what they are doing with Suzuki assuming he retires. It seems to be pointing to him vs Liger at WK but if we got double duty than him and ZSJ winning tag league should be the choice
But back to the U.S. title, nothing but Gaijins have won it and that has to change. Goto and Ishii both travel so they are good choices. Tanahashi to me is the best choice because he will bring instant credibility and when he travels you have the title on the line to continue to build it up and give Tana like a year reign before dropping it someone else
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Post by Convoy on Aug 16, 2019 16:16:56 GMT -5
Tana would be a good choice for the US belt, especially if Mox will be finishing up at WK. I'm sure Mox would like a chance to face him before he leaves.
You can still hold Tana/Jericho at WK, but make it for the belt (even though it obviously wouldn't need it). Mox can retain against Juice at a Destruction and lose it to Tana at KoPW. Or alternatively he can retain it KoPW and lose it at Power Struggle. Then Jericho can attack Tana at some point, since that's just how his feuds go.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 16, 2019 16:18:33 GMT -5
I think the US title would be a good one for Goto. He did a good job of elevating the NEVER title and he usually works the US tours. Goto as U.S. champ works too. I still think and is hoping for an Ishii and Goto team up as they could give the tag division a big shot in the arm. ZSJ/Suzuki would obviously be the other choice but it all depends what they are doing with Suzuki assuming he retires. It seems to be pointing to him vs Liger at WK but if we got double duty than him and ZSJ winning tag league should be the choice But back to the U.S. title, nothing but Gaijins have won it and that has to change. Goto and Ishii both travel so they are good choices. Tanahashi to me is the best choice because he will bring instant credibility and when he travels you have the title on the line to continue to build it up and give Tana like a year reign before dropping it someone else
I was going to ask if the point of the US title wasnr doe only people in the US but Kenny is american right?
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Post by Duke Cameron on Aug 16, 2019 16:32:55 GMT -5
Goto as U.S. champ works too. I still think and is hoping for an Ishii and Goto team up as they could give the tag division a big shot in the arm. ZSJ/Suzuki would obviously be the other choice but it all depends what they are doing with Suzuki assuming he retires. It seems to be pointing to him vs Liger at WK but if we got double duty than him and ZSJ winning tag league should be the choice But back to the U.S. title, nothing but Gaijins have won it and that has to change. Goto and Ishii both travel so they are good choices. Tanahashi to me is the best choice because he will bring instant credibility and when he travels you have the title on the line to continue to build it up and give Tana like a year reign before dropping it someone else
I was going to ask if the point of the US title wasnr doe only people in the US but Kenny is american right? I think he’s Canadian.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 16, 2019 16:45:16 GMT -5
I was going to ask if the point of the US title wasnr doe only people in the US but Kenny is american right? I think he’s Canadian. Oh yeh I meant Canadian. Other the but wouldn't make sense
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 16, 2019 18:02:37 GMT -5
Goto as U.S. champ works too. I still think and is hoping for an Ishii and Goto team up as they could give the tag division a big shot in the arm. ZSJ/Suzuki would obviously be the other choice but it all depends what they are doing with Suzuki assuming he retires. It seems to be pointing to him vs Liger at WK but if we got double duty than him and ZSJ winning tag league should be the choice But back to the U.S. title, nothing but Gaijins have won it and that has to change. Goto and Ishii both travel so they are good choices. Tanahashi to me is the best choice because he will bring instant credibility and when he travels you have the title on the line to continue to build it up and give Tana like a year reign before dropping it someone else
I was going to ask if the point of the US title wasnr doe only people in the US but Kenny is american right? Amusingly, it wouldn't be until Juice, Cody, then Moxley where the title would have any American title holders. Still, that's a string of three, that can tide it over for a bit. It's not like Bulldog winning the European title and then just more or less losing any meaning to that after until Regal won it, Al Snow, too, if you wanna count the parody aspect.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 16, 2019 18:03:10 GMT -5
Goto as U.S. champ works too. I still think and is hoping for an Ishii and Goto team up as they could give the tag division a big shot in the arm. ZSJ/Suzuki would obviously be the other choice but it all depends what they are doing with Suzuki assuming he retires. It seems to be pointing to him vs Liger at WK but if we got double duty than him and ZSJ winning tag league should be the choice But back to the U.S. title, nothing but Gaijins have won it and that has to change. Goto and Ishii both travel so they are good choices. Tanahashi to me is the best choice because he will bring instant credibility and when he travels you have the title on the line to continue to build it up and give Tana like a year reign before dropping it someone else
I was going to ask if the point of the US title wasnr doe only people in the US but Kenny is american right? Not Americans, but gaijans (foreigners). Jay White is from New Zealand and Kenny Omega is from Canada But I wouldn't say the title was only for foreigners. If anything, the title initially seemed to be there just to have another title. It kept Kenny Omega busy since he wasn't in the IWGP title picture and when Jay White won it off him, it was a logical conclusion to put it on a young guy especially since he just lost to Tana for the IC at WK. The title looked like it would have high standing but since Juice won it, it has taken a step back (and it is not his fault). They booked Juice like a bad champ twice and gave Cody a meaningless reign. Moxley looks nice with it but he hasn't defended it yet so verdict is still out on him
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 16, 2019 19:21:13 GMT -5
I was going to ask if the point of the US title wasnr doe only people in the US but Kenny is american right? Not Americans, but gaijans (foreigners). Jay White is from New Zealand and Kenny Omega is from Canada But I wouldn't say the title was only for foreigners. If anything, the title initially seemed to be there just to have another title. It kept Kenny Omega busy since he wasn't in the IWGP title picture and when Jay White won it off him, it was a logical conclusion to put it on a young guy especially since he just lost to Tana for the IC at WK. The title looked like it would have high standing but since Juice won it, it has taken a step back (and it is not his fault). They booked Juice like a bad champ twice and gave Cody a meaningless reign. Moxley looks nice with it but he hasn't defended it yet so verdict is still out on him I don't mind so much that Cody won it, but given he had a knee injury that was grinding him to a halt, Juice was just not a guy who could cover for that for him, and the matches just weren't good.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 16, 2019 19:29:59 GMT -5
Not Americans, but gaijans (foreigners). Jay White is from New Zealand and Kenny Omega is from Canada But I wouldn't say the title was only for foreigners. If anything, the title initially seemed to be there just to have another title. It kept Kenny Omega busy since he wasn't in the IWGP title picture and when Jay White won it off him, it was a logical conclusion to put it on a young guy especially since he just lost to Tana for the IC at WK. The title looked like it would have high standing but since Juice won it, it has taken a step back (and it is not his fault). They booked Juice like a bad champ twice and gave Cody a meaningless reign. Moxley looks nice with it but he hasn't defended it yet so verdict is still out on him I don't mind so much that Cody won it, but given he had a knee injury that was grinding him to a halt, Juice was just not a guy who could cover for that for him, and the matches just weren't good. I think they should have had Cody win it earlier if anything. Just seems like they never had any real intention of giving Juice a strong run off the back of his performance against White was career defining for him In what was supposed to be his 2nd coronation in a decisive win over Cody Rhodes fell short due to Cody not being able to work and even then it was sort of put in a dead spot anyway with no real build
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 16, 2019 19:48:22 GMT -5
I don't mind so much that Cody won it, but given he had a knee injury that was grinding him to a halt, Juice was just not a guy who could cover for that for him, and the matches just weren't good. I think they should have had Cody win it earlier if anything. Just seems like they never had any real intention of giving Juice a strong run off the back of his performance against White was career defining for him In what was supposed to be his 2nd coronation in a decisive win over Cody Rhodes fell short due to Cody not being able to work and even then it was sort of put in a dead spot anyway with no real build Yeah, like, I know NJPW was seemingly a bit blindsided by AEW's formation, but if that's all it was, then that doesn't explain how Juice did so little with the belt after winning it back, when Gedo would have had the time to plan, or ROH even would have been potentially allowed to use it some, but nothing really came to pass.
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