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Post by thecrusherwi on Mar 30, 2019 18:10:08 GMT -5
How did Bret Hart have the match in his VHS collection unless WWE made him a copy? Plus, if they keep outtakes and dark matches with a time code on screen, why would they get rid of a match that was intended to air on TV (as evidenced by Monsoon/Heenan calling the match). Bret Hart got a tape of it from WWE (she has this tape). I have no idea how WWE (allegedly) no longer has the master or a copy of it. The NFL does not have a broadcast copy of either of the first two Super Bowls. It can just happen with these massive tape libraries. Things get wrecked or lost all the time.
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Post by cjh on Mar 30, 2019 18:14:08 GMT -5
Bret Hart got a tape of it from WWE (she has this tape). I have no idea how WWE (allegedly) no longer has the master or a copy of it. The NFL does not have a broadcast copy of either of the first two Super Bowls. It can just happen with this massive tape libraries. Things get wrecked or lost all the time. Those games were in 1967-68, though, when it was much more common for shows to not be archived. This is more like the NFL not having their tapes of the 1987 Super Bowl.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Mar 30, 2019 18:32:16 GMT -5
The NFL does not have a broadcast copy of either of the first two Super Bowls. It can just happen with this massive tape libraries. Things get wrecked or lost all the time. Those games were in 1967-68, though, when it was much more common for shows to not be archived. This is more like the NFL not having their tapes of the 1987 Super Bowl. True, but it’s not like this match was likely high on their priority of must save stuff. It’s a dark match featuring a guy who was barely in the company.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Mar 30, 2019 18:41:44 GMT -5
I can safely say that whenever this match sees the light of day(and it will eventually) it’s going to be really underwhelming. I feel like people have it built up like Bret performs some miracle and it’s actually just going to look like a fairly standard match from the era. Yeah it’s basically obtained the same reputation as the Last Battle of Atlanta in that there is no way the match could live up to its own hype
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 18:43:21 GMT -5
The NFL does not have a broadcast copy of either of the first two Super Bowls. It can just happen with this massive tape libraries. Things get wrecked or lost all the time. Those games were in 1967-68, though, when it was much more common for shows to not be archived. This is more like the NFL not having their tapes of the 1987 Super Bowl. Nah, it would be like if the NFL didn’t have a copy of a 1987 Buccaneers/Rams preseason game.
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Post by cjh on Mar 30, 2019 18:52:14 GMT -5
Those games were in 1967-68, though, when it was much more common for shows to not be archived. This is more like the NFL not having their tapes of the 1987 Super Bowl. True, but it’s not like this match was likely high on their priority of must save stuff. It’s a dark match featuring a guy who was barely in the company. They seem to save pretty much everything, though. Some of the docs they make are worth watching just for the B-roll of rehearsal footage or outtakes from 25-35 years ago that they could have easily junked.
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Post by cjh on Mar 30, 2019 19:06:43 GMT -5
Those games were in 1967-68, though, when it was much more common for shows to not be archived. This is more like the NFL not having their tapes of the 1987 Super Bowl. Nah, it would be like if the NFL didn’t have a copy of a 1987 Buccaneers/Rams preseason game. I meant that there's much less reason for footage from 1987 to be missing compared to 20 years earlier since in 1967, erasing shows was a lot more common.
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Post by Zach on Mar 30, 2019 19:46:21 GMT -5
Bret Hart got a tape of it from WWE (she has this tape). I have no idea how WWE (allegedly) no longer has the master or a copy of it. The NFL does not have a broadcast copy of either of the first two Super Bowls. It can just happen with these massive tape libraries. Things get wrecked or lost all the time. The copy WWE made for Bret had to have been in the early 2000s judging by the brand of blank tape that it was copied on. It's hard to believe that they had the tape all these years then suddenly lost it in the mid 2000s after making Bret a copy.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Mar 30, 2019 20:02:36 GMT -5
The NFL does not have a broadcast copy of either of the first two Super Bowls. It can just happen with these massive tape libraries. Things get wrecked or lost all the time. The copy WWE made for Bret had to have been in the early 2000s judging by the brand of blank tape that it was copied on. It's hard to believe that they had the tape all these years then suddenly lost it in the mid 2000s after making Bret a copy. I did not know that. That would be strange.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 30, 2019 20:12:19 GMT -5
The NFL does not have a broadcast copy of either of the first two Super Bowls. It can just happen with these massive tape libraries. Things get wrecked or lost all the time. The copy WWE made for Bret had to have been in the early 2000s judging by the brand of blank tape that it was copied on. It's hard to believe that they had the tape all these years then suddenly lost it in the mid 2000s after making Bret a copy. Honestly, them making the copy for Bret might have been when it got lost. Put back mislabelled, or in the wrong spot etc. It’s definitely a tape from the early 2000’s, all of my recorded VHS stuff was on those same tapes. They were like $20 a dozen. Sidenote, god it would be cool to see the WWE film archive. Like, is it just a massive warehouse with a bunch of old Beta tapes on shelves? Do they retain the master after it’s been converted?
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Post by cjh on Mar 30, 2019 20:34:19 GMT -5
The copy WWE made for Bret had to have been in the early 2000s judging by the brand of blank tape that it was copied on. It's hard to believe that they had the tape all these years then suddenly lost it in the mid 2000s after making Bret a copy. Honestly, them making the copy for Bret might have been when it got lost. Put back mislabelled, or in the wrong spot etc. It’s definitely a tape from the early 2000’s, all of my recorded VHS stuff was on those same tapes. They were like $20 a dozen. Sidenote, god it would be cool to see the WWE film archive. Like, is it just a massive warehouse with a bunch of old Beta tapes on shelves? Do they retain the master after it’s been converted? www.wwe.com/classics/inside-video-vault-photos#fid-26163322Here's what it looked like in 2013.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 31, 2019 8:45:22 GMT -5
Honestly, them making the copy for Bret might have been when it got lost. Put back mislabelled, or in the wrong spot etc. It’s definitely a tape from the early 2000’s, all of my recorded VHS stuff was on those same tapes. They were like $20 a dozen. Sidenote, god it would be cool to see the WWE film archive. Like, is it just a massive warehouse with a bunch of old Beta tapes on shelves? Do they retain the master after it’s been converted? www.wwe.com/classics/inside-video-vault-photos#fid-26163322Here's what it looked like in 2013. That is so f***ing cool. Like, for some reason I picture being the curator of that archive would be the coolest thing in the world even tho it’s probably a very boring, tedious job. People can hate WWE controlling wrestling history, but if it weren’t for them a lot of this footage would be lost to time and never see the light of day again. Also, Howard Finkel REALLY looks like a mini Big Show in those pictures
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 31, 2019 10:28:30 GMT -5
He was pretty cool with the acrobatic moves (another site had an Arn Anderson match and a Terry Gibbs match) but my god he had no wrestling ability otherwise. He had no ring clue when it came to being with one other person in the ring. The two matches I did see I wound up fast forwarding a majority of them. Which shows the difference between wrestlers like Omega or the Young Bucks who have acrobatic styles of working and what Magee was doing. The Bucks do a ton of flips, but they know how to sell and they’re hitting opponents with deadly stuff, it always feels like Nick and Matt are trying to win a fight. Magee always acts like he’s putting on a performance, and not much else. Not much he does has any true “oomph” to it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 10:37:21 GMT -5
There’s a match on YouTube where Tim Horner gets a decent match out of Magee. It also has a hilarious sequence where Horner is laying on the ground and Magee randomly does a backflip before choking Horner.
Magee was an athletic freak, but he had zero idea how to work. Kind of surprised that Vince didn’t send him to Calgary to work with Stu to get better. Unless he did...
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 31, 2019 12:55:23 GMT -5
There’s a match on YouTube where Tim Horner gets a decent match out of Magee. It also has a hilarious sequence where Horner is laying on the ground and Magee randomly does a backflip before choking Horner. Magee was an athletic freak, but he had zero idea how to work. Kind of surprised that Vince didn’t send him to Calgary to work with Stu to get better. Unless he did... Sounds like the matches I saw (one with Terry Gibbs and one with Arn Anderson). Magee will do a flip and then just stand there. Most athletic wrestlers, like Owen or Dynamite would do the flips and immediately go to another move and just keep going. I consider Arn Anderson a great wrestler like Bret Hart and it looked like Arn had no idea what he was working with. Without checking Wikipedia because I'd much rather read it from someone on here with knowledge of his time with WWF, did Magee wrestler day in day out/year in year out for his time with WWF? I don't ever recall him on TV and he made no PPVs or special events, even Scott Casey did! Was he simply on an "as needed" basis?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Mar 31, 2019 13:52:41 GMT -5
There’s a match on YouTube where Tim Horner gets a decent match out of Magee. It also has a hilarious sequence where Horner is laying on the ground and Magee randomly does a backflip before choking Horner. Magee was an athletic freak, but he had zero idea how to work. Kind of surprised that Vince didn’t send him to Calgary to work with Stu to get better. Unless he did... Sounds like the matches I saw (one with Terry Gibbs and one with Arn Anderson). Magee will do a flip and then just stand there. Most athletic wrestlers, like Owen or Dynamite would do the flips and immediately go to another move and just keep going. I consider Arn Anderson a great wrestler like Bret Hart and it looked like Arn had no idea what he was working with. Without checking Wikipedia because I'd much rather read it from someone on here with knowledge of his time with WWF, did Magee wrestler day in day out/year in year out for his time with WWF? I don't ever recall him on TV and he made no PPVs or special events, even Scott Casey did! Was he simply on an "as needed" basis? The reason you didn't see him was by design, at least initially. The plan was for him to work dark matches and the "C" house shows (the smallest markets), so that he could get more experience and get better before they decided he was ready. This is the same strategy they would later plan for Dingo Warrior (Ultimate Warrior). In early 1987, Magee started out working mostly Terry Gibbs and Mike Sharpe on these smaller house shows. I don't know if WWE lost faith in him or if he had injuries, but he stopped working WWF shows by the summer of 1987. In early 1988 he ends back in All Japan where he actually began his career. This is where most of his professionally recorded matches seem to come from. He starts working WWF house shows again in 1989, mostly working against Tim Horner. By this time we are a couple of years removed from that October '86 match with Bret, and I'm sure WWF realized that Tom just wasn't getting better. From what I can see, he was pretty much out of wrestling by 1990.
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 31, 2019 14:13:49 GMT -5
Sounds like the matches I saw (one with Terry Gibbs and one with Arn Anderson). Magee will do a flip and then just stand there. Most athletic wrestlers, like Owen or Dynamite would do the flips and immediately go to another move and just keep going. I consider Arn Anderson a great wrestler like Bret Hart and it looked like Arn had no idea what he was working with. Without checking Wikipedia because I'd much rather read it from someone on here with knowledge of his time with WWF, did Magee wrestler day in day out/year in year out for his time with WWF? I don't ever recall him on TV and he made no PPVs or special events, even Scott Casey did! Was he simply on an "as needed" basis? The reason you didn't see him was by design, at least initially. The plan was for him to work dark matches and the "C" house shows (the smallest markets), so that he could get more experience and get better before they decided he was ready. This is the same strategy they would later plan for Dingo Warrior (Ultimate Warrior). In early 1987, Magee started out working mostly Terry Gibbs and Mike Sharpe on these smaller house shows. I don't know if WWE lost faith in him or if he had injuries, but he stopped working WWF shows by the summer of 1987. In early 1988 he ends back in All Japan where he actually began his career. This is where most of his professionally recorded matches seem to come from. He starts working WWF house shows again in 1989, mostly working against Tim Horner. By this time we are a couple of years removed that October '86 match with Bret, and I'm sure WWF realized that Tom just wasn't getting better. From what I can see, he was pretty much out of wrestling by 1990. It almost felt like the 89 run was Vince giving him one last chance to see if had improved or was even capable of improving, and soon getting his answer.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 31, 2019 16:06:37 GMT -5
Honestly, them making the copy for Bret might have been when it got lost. Put back mislabelled, or in the wrong spot etc. That's my theory as well. May well not have even got put back after copying it, either. Possibly got left in an area where they were unwittingly thrown in the trash or even stolen.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 31, 2019 16:14:22 GMT -5
Honestly, them making the copy for Bret might have been when it got lost. Put back mislabelled, or in the wrong spot etc. That's my theory as well. May well not have even got put back after copying it, either. Possibly got left in an area where they were unwittingly thrown in the trash or even stolen. Right, which is on the lower end of "wrestling tapes treated horribly" stories. I can't recall, was it the World Class or Mid-South tapes that were basically left to sit out in someone's drafty, hot, tin shed for years and years?
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Post by TGM on Mar 31, 2019 16:15:19 GMT -5
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