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Post by wwefan71080 on Apr 6, 2019 14:06:53 GMT -5
The booking of this show was complete garbage, here’s how I would have booked it
Shawn Michaels vs Marty Jannetty Keep Stieners vs headshrinkers Keep megamaniacs vs Money inc with Money inc going over Lex Luger vs Owen Hart Mr Perfect vs Ric Flair loser leaves Randy Savage vs Razor Ramon Bob Backlund vs Roddy Piper Keep Doink vs Crush but have only one doink but use like fireworks from his flower on the jacket to win Keep the title match as booked without the hogan crap Undertaker vs Bam Bam bigelow
I think I made this a much better WM with this booking
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Post by chrom on Apr 6, 2019 15:01:42 GMT -5
This is the only good thing to come from it
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Post by doodvid on Apr 6, 2019 19:59:36 GMT -5
The Shango vs Santana match has appeared online for the first time... youtu.be/akNlI6bFPg8Most notable for Jim Ross finding his feet on commentary, referring to Bruce (Prichard) when he audibly coughs and asks if there's a cough button and also when he doesn't know the name of El Matador's finisher!
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 7, 2019 1:30:50 GMT -5
The Shango vs Santana match has appeared online for the first time... youtu.be/akNlI6bFPg8Most notable for Jim Ross finding his feet on commentary, referring to Bruce (Prichard) when he audibly coughs and asks if there's a cough button and also when he doesn't know the name of El Matador's finisher! That was pretty cool.
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Post by mauled on Apr 7, 2019 1:47:04 GMT -5
I watched it yesterday for the first time in years after watching the go home Raw and the March to Wrestlemania. It's not good. in fact it's very, very bad. I know that a lot of people here have a nostalgia for it but I still don't get it. The set is cheesy af, several matches have terrible endings, and the crowd seems to be made of tourists, gamblers who don't care at all and drunks. I know people often say Wrestlemania XI is worse, and it is very bad, but I'd rather watch it than this turd again. Don't think anyone is nostalgic for it. It's a bad show that tied with 11 as the worst. Though Hogan and his political games maybe too this one for me
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Post by mauled on Apr 7, 2019 1:54:39 GMT -5
The booking of this show was complete garbage, here’s how I would have booked it Shawn Michaels vs Marty Jannetty Keep Stieners vs headshrinkers Keep megamaniacs vs Money inc with Money inc going over Lex Luger vs Owen Hart Mr Perfect vs Ric Flair loser leaves Randy Savage vs Razor Ramon Bob Backlund vs Roddy Piper Keep Doink vs Crush but have only one doink but use like fireworks from his flower on the jacket to win Keep the title match as booked without the hogan crap Undertaker vs Bam Bam bigelow I think I made this a much better WM with this booking I like your booking except for I'd have Randy in the Main Event against Bret. You'd have star power and classic Wrestling match and unlike Hogan, Randy would've (and did on the Japan tour) put Bret over. Razor I would've had against Perfect. You have the set up from Survivor Series so that works besides isn't Flair already gone by then.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 7, 2019 8:29:58 GMT -5
Great card, wwefan71080. Also good idea mauled having Razor v. Perfect. That could have a double count out as the finish fight to the back and set up the Michaels/Perfect feud. But I would have Lex go over Perfect. Perfect was too good and big a star especially coming off of a Flair feud. Owen Hart I believe was injured but if healthy a good opponent for Lex. At that point it would make Owen look bad losing.
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Post by SmashTV on Apr 8, 2019 2:22:19 GMT -5
Im from the UK so the NFL was lost on me, even Lawrence Taylor I had no idea whe he was. Same here; I got that he was an NFL player of some note but that was it. Therefore, to see him in the main event AND WIN was too much. The only thing I remember taking from WMXI was the crowd booing when Diesel kicked out of the super kick. It was always good in mid 90s WWF when the crowd went against the script and you could feel the sense of dread backstage!
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Post by segaz on Apr 8, 2019 15:48:12 GMT -5
- Say what you will about Hogan stinking up this show (and I'm one of the people who really resented him even being there, let alone winning the title), but the live crowd was SUPER into him. - I would love to know all the other things Bret had planned for that match. He claims in his book that Yoko was badly blown up and went home early. I thought it was pretty solid. Fans are also chanting Hogan at the end of the Luger/Yoko match at X. He overstayed his welcome by 1992 but 1992-1993 he was at least giving fans reason to like and want him. You will rarely hear people admit this. Much as people might hate Hogan, he still had star power in the WWE at this time. WM XI just sends me to sleep. A bad spectacle is better watching than that boring show. The Micheals/Nash match is pretty bad, even compared to Bret/Top-Hogan/Yoko. Botched kickout before 2, botched Jackknife power bomb, lukewarm Sid betrayal..... Giant Gonzalez just for the spectacle again is better than Bundy. Oh dear. Bundy.
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Post by bogussting on Apr 8, 2019 20:33:40 GMT -5
XI is hardcore mediocre, but I love the color scheme -and while IX is my favorite looking WM overall, XI has my all-time favorite entrance set.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 8, 2019 22:20:09 GMT -5
I mean at least IX feels like one last outdoor 80's show when you consider you have Tito Santana (pre-show), Randy Savage, Gorilla Monsoon, Bobby Heenan, Sherri, Afa, Matt Borne, Bob Backlund, Mike Rotunda (even as IRS), Ted DiBiase, Brutus Beefcake, Hulk Hogan, Jimmy Hart, Mr. Perfect, Mr. Fuji and Bret Hart. A callback to the WWF's evolution from a Northeast Territory operated by Vince McMahon Sr. to "What the World is Watching".
It's interesting too, when you watch the decline from Wrestlemania VIII, which was the last big hurrah for Rock n Wrestling to IX, which while its a parking lot, its a big Vegas event and a rare outdoor WWF PPV (the last one for 15 years) with the same names from before. You get to Wrestlemania X and its almost like a big time old school WWF MSG show. Vince was ready to pass the torch to Bret with Yoko ala Hogan/Sheik but it never took off like that. You get to X and you still have at least the Bushwhackers, Bret, Bam Bam, Savage, Piper and Fuji but it just feels like small remnants of a once thriving company.
By XI, so much has changed. The WWF is bottoming out. The PPV is held in their home state of Connecticut, you have Davey Boy and Luger wasting away together against a generic tag team, a house show finish for the IC Title, two of the best technical wrestlers in the company having a bad match with poor officiating from a washed up Main Eventer, a WWF Title match that takes a backseat to a football player, and a lifetime midcarder jobbing to said football player to end it.
Don't forget the cameramen and celebrity cameos. Its the worst of mid-90s wrestling mixed with the best of mid-90s television and none of it ages well, even older fans hate it. Horrible show.
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 8, 2019 22:36:43 GMT -5
I mean at least IX feels like one last outdoor 80's show when you consider you have Tito Santana (pre-show), Randy Savage, Gorilla Monsoon, Bobby Heenan, Sherri, Afa, Matt Borne, Bob Backlund, Mike Rotunda (even as IRS), Ted DiBiase, Brutus Beefcake, Hulk Hogan, Jimmy Hart, Mr. Perfect, Mr. Fuji and Bret Hart. A callback to the WWF's evolution from a Northeast Territory operated by Vince McMahon Sr. to "What the World is Watching". It's interesting too, when you watch the decline from Wrestlemania VIII, which was the last big hurrah for Rock n Wrestling to IX, which while its a parking lot, its a big Vegas event and a rare outdoor WWF PPV (the last one for 15 years) with the same names from before. You get to Wrestlemania X and its almost like a big time old school WWF MSG show. Vince was ready to pass the torch to Bret with Yoko ala Hogan/Sheik but it never took off like that. You get to X and you still have at least the Bushwhackers, Bret, Bam Bam, Savage, Piper and Fuji but it just feels like small remnants of a once thriving company. By XI, so much has changed. The WWF is bottoming out. The PPV is held in their home state of Connecticut, you have Davey Boy and Luger wasting away together against a generic tag team, a house show finish for the IC Title, two of the best technical wrestlers in the company having a bad match with poor officiating from a washed up Main Eventer, a WWF Title match that takes a backseat to a football player, and a lifetime midcarder jobbing to said football player to end it. Don't forget the cameramen and celebrity cameos. Its the worst of mid-90s wrestling mixed with the best of mid-90s television and none of it ages well, even older fans hate it. Horrible show. And that's one of the most telling signs. From 8 to 13, Bret Hart had either the best or second best match on the show (with even his match against Yoko at IX being tone of the latter's better bouts). XI manages to be so awful and such a waste of good talents that the man who helped define great matches at Wrestlemania in the 90s is outdone by a football player.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 12:33:42 GMT -5
The Shango vs Santana match has appeared online for the first time... youtu.be/akNlI6bFPg8Most notable for Jim Ross finding his feet on commentary, referring to Bruce (Prichard) when he audibly coughs and asks if there's a cough button and also when he doesn't know the name of El Matador's finisher! AWESOME find, thanks for posting this. Didn't even know they did commentary for this (and he throws it back to Mean Gene at the end, which means they must've intended to air it someplace). But we have an extra bit of trivia now: JR called his first WWF match by himself. Wow.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Apr 9, 2019 12:53:51 GMT -5
Didn't they air the dark matches on Prime Time?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 9, 2019 13:04:46 GMT -5
Didn't they air the dark matches on Prime Time? Seems to me this one did. But JR is trying stuff out here, talking to Prichard, coughing on screen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 15:46:22 GMT -5
Didn't they air the dark matches on Prime Time? The only PPV dark matches I can ever recall from the Prime Time days were a ton of Summerslam '92 unaired matches (cut from throughout the taping of that event). They used to air a lot of house show stuff from Boston, Philly and MSG there. As well as matches from the weekend shows with alternate commentary (I think a lot of the Sean Mooney/Lord Alfred Hayes called matches we've seen over the years came from Prime Time). I have this vague recollection that stuff from the 1991 UK Albert Hall event may've aired on Prime Time too. I figure this one did not air anywhere or end up on a VHS tape because JR says a lot of stuff that I doubt Vince would ever allow on air (coughing, talking to backstage).
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Post by auph10imitated on Apr 10, 2019 10:38:22 GMT -5
I completely agree that Hulk Hogan did have star power in 1993, the thing is people recall his return interview on RAW during the Brutus Beefcake angle and he was booed, but this was a hardcore NY crowd. He was still mega over at Mania 9 when he won the title and he still could have been used in a beneficial capacity.
Personally I would have used him as a guest referee/enforcer in the main event. I would have had him help Bret Hart win the match in some way shape or form (yes it would have been ther whole WM4/WM6 stealing the spotlight shitm but it still would have given him rub) you have Bret pose with Hogan at the end of the show with a furious Yokozuna looking on.
Then I would have Bret Hart & Hulk Hogan vs Yokozuna & Lex Luger headline the 1993 King of the Ring to set up Hulk Hogan vs Yokozuna at Summerslam (while Bret defends the gold against Luger) Hogan didnt need the title at that point, he could have easily filled the Andre the Giant special attraction role and still been super over. In fact it also sets up the inevitable Bret vs Hogan Wrestlemania X Main Event. Which would have been fitting to have Hogan then pass the torch to Bret at Mania X. Of course Hogan's ego would never in a million years allowed this, but from a business standpoint still could have had that untouchable Andre attraction role.
Then following Wrestlemania X I would have put Hogan & Savage back together as the Mega Powers and have them do a run with the tag team championships in 1994, fending off the likes of The Headshrinkers and The Quebeccars and eventually set up a Hogan & Savage vs Shawn & Diesel fued, it would be the two workhorses in Savage & Shawn and the two hosses in Hogan & Diesel.
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Post by chronocross on Apr 10, 2019 10:40:14 GMT -5
........if they'd put Tito/Shango on the actual show, it woulda bumped the star rating up by at least 2. (Tito Santana's last WM was a dark match. He won, making it his 2nd WM victory - his 1st was at WM1.) I got to watch it last week and it was an okay for match for its time, I thought for sure Shango was going over.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 10:47:42 GMT -5
........if they'd put Tito/Shango on the actual show, it woulda bumped the star rating up by at least 2. (Tito Santana's last WM was a dark match. He won, making it his 2nd WM victory - his 1st was at WM1.) I got to watch it last week and it was an okay for match for its time, I thought for sure Shango was going over. Kind of a weird finish, though. Figured Tito would cap him off with the finisher, but instead it's a crazy fall from the top (to be fair, sorta makes sense for a guy the size of Shango missing that fall to be done).
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