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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 19, 2019 17:07:09 GMT -5
Simon Williams, Wonder Man. I don't even know why, I just really don't like him.
Jason Todd. I wish he'd stayed dead, and the idea that DC thought they could replace Dick Grayson with a resurrected Todd a few years ago is ridiculous.
I don't dislike him now, but Wolverine's omnipresence in X-Men comics about ten years ago really annoyed me. He was in every title, while other characters never got a look in.
Magneto as a good guy. The character is a cautionary tale of how fighting oppression can make you as bad as the oppressors, yet X-Men writers so often seem determined to write him as a hero.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 17:08:43 GMT -5
I don't know if it is the character himself or how much they ended up changing Talia when they introduced him, but I don't care for Damien Wayne. They just give Batman a son who is a physco and take away anything redeeming about Talia in the process. The animated trilogy of SON OF BATMAN, BATMAN VS. ROBIN, and BATMAN: BAD BLOOD prominently features Damien, and he is always an annoying little shit. Psycho, know-it-all, "badass fighter" who can take down people who have been at it a lot longer than he has and weigh more than 65 pounds. He's insufferable. I think the best depiction I've ever seen of Damian was in Batman Ninja. He's not really an asshole at all in that, just kind of gruff and has a lot of fun with his monkey friend. I've heard he's not terrible in Super Sons either, but I've only read the first issue and at least in that all the comic does is heap praise on him the entire time.
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Post by DSR on Apr 19, 2019 17:11:07 GMT -5
The animated trilogy of SON OF BATMAN, BATMAN VS. ROBIN, and BATMAN: BAD BLOOD prominently features Damien, and he is always an annoying little shit. Psycho, know-it-all, "badass fighter" who can take down people who have been at it a lot longer than he has and weigh more than 65 pounds. He's insufferable. I think the best depiction I've ever seen of Damian was in Batman Ninja. He's not really an asshole at all in that, just kind of gruff and has a lot of fun with his monkey friend. I've heard he's not terrible in Super Sons either, but I've only read the first issue and at least in that all the comics does is heap praise on him the entire time. Yeah BATMAN NINJA he was decent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 17:12:04 GMT -5
Jason Todd. I wish he'd stayed dead, and the idea that DC thought they could replace Dick Grayson with a resurrected Todd a few years ago is ridiculous. I think the big issue with Jason Todd is that... He's really only good for that one story. I've never actually read Under the Hood, know the movie cleans up a lot of the clutter, but Under the Red Hood really demonstrates exactly how to use the character. There is a ton of gravitas you can get out of the situation he was in and he can continue to be Bruce's greatest failure even after no longer being dead. ... But that really only works for the one storyline. Trying to keep him around as a major villain quickly makes him lose all sympathy and basically makes him no different than, like, a Two-Face in terms of being a villain Bruce was once close to, except without an interesting hook to him beyond, "Was Robin," while trying to redeem him undoes the trauma of the situation. They've tried it both ways with him and neither one really serves any purpose. And it's not like he's the only Batman character who has diminishing returns like that. BtAS actually constantly struggles with that problem - the first one or two episodes for a villain are typically pretty good but then they start losing their motivation and become way more bland. It happens to Riddler, Mad Hatter (think he might get the worst of it, his first couple episodes are fantastic and then he just sucks), Bane, Mr. Freeze (though they managed to wring one more great story out of him in Batman Beyond), Baby Doll, Killer Croc, Clayface, the Ventriloquist...
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 19, 2019 17:16:51 GMT -5
Jason Todd. I wish he'd stayed dead, and the idea that DC thought they could replace Dick Grayson with a resurrected Todd a few years ago is ridiculous. I think the big issue with Jason Todd is that... He's really only good for that one story. I've never actually read Under the Hood, know the movie cleans up a lot of the clutter, but Under the Red Hood really demonstrates exactly how to use the character. There is a ton of gravitas you can get out of the situation he was in and he can continue to be Bruce's greatest failure even after no longer being dead. ... But that really only works for the one storyline. Trying to keep him around as a major villain quickly makes him lose all sympathy and basically makes him no different than, like, a Two-Face in terms of being a villain Bruce was once close to, except without an interesting hook to him beyond, "Was Robin," while trying to redeem him undoes the trauma of the situation. They've tried it both ways with him and neither one really serves any purpose. Exactly. His main reason for existing was to be Bruce Wayne's greatest failure, and a reminder for the likes of Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon that being Batman's sidekick is dangerous. The tragedy of the character, and the impact of Robin dying, is something that should have stuck. Instead, it just got retconned and we realised that, even in the supposedly dark and gritty Batverse, death doesn't mean anything. They tried to redo it years later, with Spoiler. It was pretty grossly handled, and then that was undone too.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 19, 2019 17:21:28 GMT -5
I never really thought about it but that's a damn good answer. The character's roots aren't bad by any means, but he's been coasting off of one kill for nearly 50 years now and has been the starting point of a LOT of horrible shit for decades now. I thought Warren Ellis did a great job with Norman in Thunderbolts as this guy who thinks he's a big-time player but is really just an psycho with more money than the other psychos but that unfortunately ended up letting others take him into the total realm of absurdity that was Dark Reign and Siege.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 19, 2019 17:27:43 GMT -5
Kitty Pryde can go straight to Hell.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 19, 2019 17:30:58 GMT -5
I don't know if it is the character himself or how much they ended up changing Talia when they introduced him, but I don't care for Damien Wayne. They just give Batman a son who is a physco and take away anything redeeming about Talia in the process. Damian became a lot better after he stopped being a psycho and started being the annoying little brother with delusions of grandeur. One of the few times you can point at a Grant Morrison creation who was actually better handled by later writers.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 19, 2019 17:31:45 GMT -5
Cyclops,boring boy scout. Who ran out on his wife and kid.
Superman,another boring boy scout. Maybe 5 stories with Supes as the main worth reading.
Reed Richards,besides Kirby and Bryne no one has been able to make him interesting.
Deadpool oh wow another wacky anti hero.
Harley Quinn,loved her on Batman TAS. Hate how she has been changed in the past 15 years.
Modern Batman. I am tired of the whole "But given time to plan Batman can beat anyone" crap. Only Batman I have read since 2010 and enjoyed was DKIII.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 19, 2019 17:34:03 GMT -5
Loweezy in "Barney Google & Snuffy Smith". Always trying to force poor Snuffy to work instead of just sitting on the porch and drink his moonshine.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 19, 2019 17:37:08 GMT -5
I never really thought about it but that's a damn good answer. The character's roots aren't bad by any means, but he's been coasting off of one kill for nearly 50 years now and has been the starting point of a LOT of horrible shit for decades now. I thought Warren Ellis did a great job with Norman in Thunderbolts as this guy who thinks he's a big-time player but is really just an psycho with more money than the other psychos but that unfortunately ended up letting others take him into the total realm of absurdity that was Dark Reign and Siege. One of the biggest mistakes Marvel ever did was try turning Norman Osborne into a Lex clone. He was much more entertaining as a delusional, self-sabotaging nutbag.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 19, 2019 17:41:45 GMT -5
I thought Warren Ellis did a great job with Norman in Thunderbolts as this guy who thinks he's a big-time player but is really just an psycho with more money than the other psychos but that unfortunately ended up letting others take him into the total realm of absurdity that was Dark Reign and Siege. One of the biggest mistakes Marvel ever did was try turning Norman Osborne into a Lex clone. He was much more entertaining as a delusional, self-sabotaging nutbag. He works better as Spider-Man’s enemy rather than an Avengers-level threat, IMO.
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 19, 2019 17:43:18 GMT -5
Jason Todd. I wish he'd stayed dead, and the idea that DC thought they could replace Dick Grayson with a resurrected Todd a few years ago is ridiculous. I think the big issue with Jason Todd is that... He's really only good for that one story. I've never actually read Under the Hood, know the movie cleans up a lot of the clutter, but Under the Red Hood really demonstrates exactly how to use the character. There is a ton of gravitas you can get out of the situation he was in and he can continue to be Bruce's greatest failure even after no longer being dead. ... But that really only works for the one storyline. Trying to keep him around as a major villain quickly makes him lose all sympathy and basically makes him no different than, like, a Two-Face in terms of being a villain Bruce was once close to, except without an interesting hook to him beyond, "Was Robin," while trying to redeem him undoes the trauma of the situation. They've tried it both ways with him and neither one really serves any purpose. I always thought the more interesting direction with Jason would be that if you have to keep him alive after his resurrection, than have him step into an Oracle like role as support for other hero/s with an ongoing character story of him having to deal with not being an active crime fighter any more. There's an entirely fascinating narrative of a former sidekick with the day to day struggle of knowing that if he puts on the mask again he'll become the same extremist he was as the Red Hood while wanting to do the sort of good that Dick, Bruce, and others do. This on top of his own identity issues of wondering if he's really the same person before his death and potential ideological differences with the Bat Family, and you have a figure that doesn't need to be "gritty Robin" or a member of the Rogue's Gallery to stand out.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 19, 2019 17:53:38 GMT -5
Used to not like "blank slate" Firestorm and really didn't like Fire Elemental Firestorm. The Raymond/Stein combo and their chemistry was the best, IMO. I also liked FS as a Spider-Man type personality and am not a fan of the attempts to make him more serious.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 19, 2019 17:56:52 GMT -5
Cyclops,boring boy scout. Who ran out on his wife and kid. Superman,another boring boy scout. Maybe 5 stories with Supes as the main worth reading. Reed Richards,besides Kirby and Bryne no one has been able to make him interesting. Deadpool oh wow another wacky anti hero. Harley Quinn,loved her on Batman TAS. Hate how she has been changed in the past 15 years.
Modern Batman. I am tired of the whole "But given time to plan Batman can beat anyone" crap. Only Batman I have read since 2010 and enjoyed was DKIII.This, on the last two. They weren't bad, but making them into Poochies have hurt how I feel about both. Think all the failed Roman pushes, except Roman never got a phase where people considered him a good character too.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 19, 2019 18:12:52 GMT -5
Man, I’m looking at some of these lists and I have to find it funny that a lot of these characters are some of my favorites.
Mister Fantastic (My favorite member of my favorite team)
Cyclops (My second favorite hero over all after Spider-Man
Jason Todd (My favorite Robin)
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Apr 19, 2019 18:16:12 GMT -5
Howard The Duck
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Apr 19, 2019 18:48:18 GMT -5
On the topic of Norman Osborn being overpowered/a bigger threat than he should be, it reminds me of a theory I really liked about how it was actually Norman who made the deal with Mephisto, not Peter. Norman, a noted psychopath with an existing criminal record, somehow becomes director of SHIELD, a big enough threat that he can invade Asgard, and Harry comes back to life, despite that having nothing to do with Peter's deal.
On the topic of the thread, I cannot stand Namor. He's a selfish, arrogant douchebag who will team with whoever he feels will benefit him the most, be they hero or villain, he seems to exclusively be attracted to women already in relationships, and he once gave up the location of an Infinity Stone to the Black Order because he challenged Black Panther to a fight and got his ass handed to him on a silver platter.
He's basically the ultimate alpha-bro dick and I hate him for it.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 19, 2019 19:19:26 GMT -5
The biggest failure with Jason Todd was putting his fate up to popular vote and killing him off based on that rather than on telling a good story. It was a dumb idea to begin with because comic fanboys have always been terrible like that.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Apr 19, 2019 19:30:49 GMT -5
Green Goblins all of them just don't see the appeal of any of them - Much prefer Hobgoblin or Demogoblin.
Angel - I just find him really boring.
High Evolutionary - I really have no time for this high tier super villain. He does nothing for me.
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