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Post by H-Virus on Apr 20, 2019 6:44:56 GMT -5
The Fantastic Four are completely lame. Most of Marvel's ultra powerful heroes I care little about. Thor, Iron Man, Sentry. Theyre ok in a team but I dont care individually. I find I just can't relate to them. Or find their foes interesting. I much prefer the street level heroes... Daredevil, Spider-Man, Iron Fist. They're more relateable and their rogues gallery is cooler and more interesting to me. Like, I'd much rather read a story with a villain like Kingpin, Hammerhead, Doc Ock than about Thanos or Ultron. I'm the complete opposite. When I'm reading about superheroes, I don't care if they're relatable. I want them, their adventures, and their enemies to all be larger-than-life. Watching Superman and Wonder Woman take on gods, galactic tyrants and eldritch abominations will almost always interest me more than seeing Batman taking on mob bosses and criminals with mental disorders. Speaking of Batman, the only time I actually like him, ironically enough, is when he is fighting street criminals in his own city with his own family of heroes. Putting him on a team with actual superpowered heroes where he's expected to deal with people who could turn him into red mist with a single punch just annoys the piss out of me. Also, the Joker might be the most overrated villain of all time. I've tried getting into the Fantastic 4 several times and they've never been able to hold my interest. Same goes for the X-Men; I enjoyed the 90s cartoon and Evolution, but their books and movies just do nothing for me.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 20, 2019 6:54:03 GMT -5
And screw Monkey Khan while we’re at it. These two know what they did.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 20, 2019 7:58:24 GMT -5
Yeah, throw another vote in from me for Hal Jordan. Just a bland, boring character who seems to only get any love because the current crop of DC writers and editors grew up on the guy and don't want to give up their childhoods.
Starfire is another. And I mean comic book Starfire, not cartoon Starfire. Cartoon Starfire is awesome. Now I haven't read anything featuring Starfire since Red Hood and the Outlaws, so maybe things have changed, but before that she was just intolerable. She was basically created to be an idealized form of female attractiveness from the 1980's, straight out of a Playboy centerfold, complete with giant 80's hair. And she's never changed since, making her feel like an absurdly outdated character by the time 2000 rolled around. If there was ever a character in need of a drastic makeover it's her.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 20, 2019 8:30:38 GMT -5
I have been completely over Wolverine since 1995. Also, f***ing Magog. I f***ing hate that character. He serves a fine purpose in Kingdom Come, which f***ing rules, but when they decided to have him show up in Justice Society in the main DC universe? f*** that noise. It was all because they wanted to slap a Superman on the team, so they pulled Kingdom Come Superman and then pulled Magog...and then did a shitty Civil War kind of storyline that split the team into two seperate teams. This completely killed both books. Justice Society had become too big of a team as, for sure, but instead of trimming back, they expected you to buy two books...one of which starred f***ing Magog. They even put some of the best characters on each team just to really f*** you over. Like the marriage between Hourman and Liberty Bell? Well they are on seperate teams now, motherf***ers! Anyway it was very cathartic watching him die in the Brightest Day tie-ins. I guess it's silly since none of that shit is even in continuity since New 52 anymore, but damn did it ruin my favorite book. splitting the JSA into 2 books was one of the low key shittiest ideas DC had in the last 10+ years.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 20, 2019 8:53:14 GMT -5
I have been completely over Wolverine since 1995. Also, f***ing Magog. I f***ing hate that character. He serves a fine purpose in Kingdom Come, which f***ing rules, but when they decided to have him show up in Justice Society in the main DC universe? f*** that noise. It was all because they wanted to slap a Superman on the team, so they pulled Kingdom Come Superman and then pulled Magog...and then did a shitty Civil War kind of storyline that split the team into two seperate teams. This completely killed both books. Justice Society had become too big of a team as, for sure, but instead of trimming back, they expected you to buy two books...one of which starred f***ing Magog. They even put some of the best characters on each team just to really f*** you over. Like the marriage between Hourman and Liberty Bell? Well they are on seperate teams now, motherf***ers! Anyway it was very cathartic watching him die in the Brightest Day tie-ins. I guess it's silly since none of that shit is even in continuity since New 52 anymore, but damn did it ruin my favorite book. splitting the JSA into 2 books was one of the low key shittiest ideas DC had in the last 10+ years. The 2006 JSA relaunch was just such a pointless waste in the first place, and I say that as someone who loved the 1999 series. A big part of the appeal of the 1999 series though was taking established characters with different backgrounds and motivations and turning them into a family, as well as salvaging some really damaged characters in the process. The 2006 series was a couple of old timers and a bunch of completely new characters created from scratch. None of the new characters really felt like they had any real depth to them and were only created to fill niches in the roster.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 20, 2019 8:59:38 GMT -5
splitting the JSA into 2 books was one of the low key shittiest ideas DC had in the last 10+ years. The 2006 JSA relaunch was just such a pointless waste in the first place, and I say that as someone who loved the 1999 series. A big part of the appeal of the 1999 series though was taking established characters with different backgrounds and motivations and turning them into a family, as well as salvaging some really damaged characters in the process. The 2006 series was a couple of old timers and a bunch of completely new characters created from scratch. None of the new characters really felt like they had any real depth to them and were only created to fill niches in the roster. yeah I'll agree to that. the only new member added to the team I actually liked was Citizen Steel. the rest of them were just kinda background noise. I really don't get why they replaced Atom Smasher with Damage, especially since they ended up putting Atom Smasher back on the team again later anyway (whilst also killing off Damage in a neddlessly violent, Geoff Johns Special sort of way). and it's not like Magog was the only crappy new character they added. Cyclone seemed to occupy a niche that was already occupied by Stargirl, and her only characterization seemed to be "clinically depressed but Johns isn't comfortable writing about it so it's mentioned but never actually seen". Judo Master and Mr. America were both blah cardboard cutouts without any personality to speak of, and the new Amazing Man was such a nothing character that even Johns ditched him as quickly as he introduced him. I can't help but think a lot of that is on Alex Ross, too, though. guy has a bizarre fetishism for really old characters only he remembers or cares about.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 20, 2019 9:00:22 GMT -5
Howard only works If Steve Gerber is writing him. Have you read the Gerber stuff? I thought Chip Zdarsky's Howard book from a couple years ago was really well-done.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Apr 20, 2019 11:02:52 GMT -5
And screw Monkey Khan while we’re at it. These two know what they did. I forgot about him. F*** HIM, TOO!!!
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 20, 2019 15:53:11 GMT -5
Howard only works If Steve Gerber is writing him. Have you read the Gerber stuff? I thought Chip Zdarsky's Howard book from a couple years ago was really well-done. I need to read more of Chip's run. Keep hearing it is close to Gerber's run.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 20, 2019 16:51:18 GMT -5
For me, I like Peter Parker, but sometimes, their attempts to make him an every man come across as so patronizing, it makes me wonder if Marvel knows their readers can put their pants on in the morning without setting themselves on fire. At a certain point, you can stack so much adversity, awkwardness, and short-sighted decisions on a character to where the reader is just going to wonder if Peter deserves to live like shit. The guy invented his webbing, and then just never had another idea in his life, and will fail to pay his rent and almost be homeless for what, the romance of it all? He is on a first-name basis with the SORCERER SUPREME, at least one billionaire, many famous inventors, and his bright idea is to take pictures of himself doing the splits on skyscrapers to barely be able to feed and clothe himself. Set up a f***ing patreon or something. You're not scrappy, you're a dumbass. Yeah, throw another vote in from me for Hal Jordan. Just a bland, boring character who seems to only get any love because the current crop of DC writers and editors grew up on the guy and don't want to give up their childhoods. Starfire is another. And I mean comic book Starfire, not cartoon Starfire. Cartoon Starfire is awesome. Now I haven't read anything featuring Starfire since Red Hood and the Outlaws, so maybe things have changed, but before that she was just intolerable. She was basically created to be an idealized form of female attractiveness from the 1980's, straight out of a Playboy centerfold, complete with giant 80's hair. And she's never changed since, making her feel like an absurdly outdated character by the time 2000 rolled around. If there was ever a character in need of a drastic makeover it's her. Thankfully, they've moved away from that a lot. Goddamn, did that run suck.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 20, 2019 16:55:17 GMT -5
I'll never understand why anyone anywhere cares about Hal Jordan. He's the beginning of the modern idea of Green Lantern, certainly, but he's also the most boring and one-note of the lot. Pretty much same thing for Barry Allen. It's telling that adaptations constantly try to just turn him into Wally. I agree with Hal so much, all the other modern lanterns have something else to them but he is just generic hero. I think one of the biggest mistakes of the Lantern movie was using him. Thing is though, if you do Abin Sur passing on his ring, you pretty much have to use Hal otherwise fans will lose it.
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 20, 2019 17:33:50 GMT -5
I agree with Hal so much, all the other modern lanterns have something else to them but he is just generic hero. I think one of the biggest mistakes of the Lantern movie was using him. Thing is though, if you do Abin Sur passing on his ring, you pretty much have to use Hal otherwise fans will lose it. I dunno, I don't recall people getting upset about Rayner getting it from Abin in Superman TAS.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 20, 2019 18:27:58 GMT -5
Thing is though, if you do Abin Sur passing on his ring, you pretty much have to use Hal otherwise fans will lose it. I dunno, I don't recall people getting upset about Rayner getting it from Abin in Superman TAS. Some definitely were, given Rayner was getting a huge push in the comics and the whole Parallax thing was seen by a lot of fanboys as sacrificing Hal to push Kyle harder. Personally, I like Kyle more, anyway, so I didn't mind.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 20, 2019 18:34:47 GMT -5
I don't mind Logan, but there really wasn't any need for him to come back from the dead after he "died" after a few years ago.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Apr 20, 2019 19:21:17 GMT -5
The way many of you feel about Hal Jordan is the way I feel about John Stewart. Easily my least favorite of all the GLs.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 21, 2019 1:51:17 GMT -5
There are very few characters I hate. For the most part, I look more at the writers behind them. There are comic characters I've loved, hated and was indifferent to at various points in their histories.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 21, 2019 1:56:04 GMT -5
Yeah, throw another vote in from me for Hal Jordan. Just a bland, boring character who seems to only get any love because the current crop of DC writers and editors grew up on the guy and don't want to give up their childhoods. Starfire is another. And I mean comic book Starfire, not cartoon Starfire. Cartoon Starfire is awesome. Now I haven't read anything featuring Starfire since Red Hood and the Outlaws, so maybe things have changed, but before that she was just intolerable. She was basically created to be an idealized form of female attractiveness from the 1980's, straight out of a Playboy centerfold, complete with giant 80's hair. And she's never changed since, making her feel like an absurdly outdated character by the time 2000 rolled around. If there was ever a character in need of a drastic makeover it's her. Er.... this Starfire?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 21, 2019 2:18:46 GMT -5
There are very few characters I hate. For the most part, I look more at the writers behind them. There are comic characters I've loved, hated and was indifferent to at various points in their histories. Yeah, I don't think there are any or at least many characters that I flat out hate... I hate some of the stories they are involved with but a decent writer can take even bad characters and do something with them... If I had to say a character I hate... Superboy Prime and any other character that exists basically to mock the fanbase.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 21, 2019 4:25:59 GMT -5
There are very few characters I hate. For the most part, I look more at the writers behind them. There are comic characters I've loved, hated and was indifferent to at various points in their histories. Yeah, I don't think there are any or at least many characters that I flat out hate... I hate some of the stories they are involved with but a decent writer can take even bad characters and do something with them... If I had to say a character I hate... Superboy Prime and any other character that exists basically to mock the fanbase. Even him, I can look at and see three distinct eras that I have three distinct attitudes toward. His original appearances, in the original Crisis and the story that set him up for his role in that, I'm indifferent to. Infinite Crisis, I actually like. Reality-punching aside, it was a great take on a good guy who thought he was doing the right thing and becoming increasingly overwhelmed by it to the point of losing control. Most everything after that is blegh.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 21, 2019 7:38:07 GMT -5
There are very few characters I hate. For the most part, I look more at the writers behind them. There are comic characters I've loved, hated and was indifferent to at various points in their histories. Yeah, I don't think there are any or at least many characters that I flat out hate... I hate some of the stories they are involved with but a decent writer can take even bad characters and do something with them... If I had to say a character I hate... Superboy Prime and any other character that exists basically to mock the fanbase. I always thought his "you're ruining everything!!!!" BS reflected a lot more on the writers themselves than the people they were trying to mock.
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