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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 26, 2019 11:28:01 GMT -5
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 26, 2019 11:31:30 GMT -5
You got the meme wrong. It's "Why is Rhea Ripley?".
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 26, 2019 13:55:47 GMT -5
You got the meme wrong. It's "Why is Rhea Ripley?". HOW IS BABBY RHEA FORMED?
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Apr 26, 2019 14:17:54 GMT -5
Worth remembering there's scant few situations where you can get away with the 'intention' excuse. Highly doubtful you can erase decades, centuries, whatever, of hateful history behind a word because you didn't realise it's origin or in rarer circumstances, said it because you were paid to on an internet stream in between watching a Post Malone lookalike who vapes play Sonic Adventure or whatever the f***. Whether you intend it to hurt or not doesn't matter, if you're saying it you're part of the problem, still.
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Post by benstudd on Apr 26, 2019 17:00:44 GMT -5
Yes, she was asked to insult people, but it's interesting the language some people default to. And having worked and been friends with plenty of Australians in recent years, none of them have used those words around me, so maybe the problem lies with her. If she can learn from this lapse in judgement and realise why it's so damaging (not just people choosing to take offence or whatever) then good. But there's no cherrypicked context that makes this just seem as simple and innocent as some have tried to say. Well that's the game, to insult people. Not cherry pick how you insult them. These people who pay to be insulted knows very well what it's about. If I put my fingers in a door knob, I should not shocked if fingers gets stuck and I cry in pain afterwards.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 26, 2019 17:03:55 GMT -5
Yes, she was asked to insult people, but it's interesting the language some people default to. And having worked and been friends with plenty of Australians in recent years, none of them have used those words around me, so maybe the problem lies with her. If she can learn from this lapse in judgement and realise why it's so damaging (not just people choosing to take offence or whatever) then good. But there's no cherrypicked context that makes this just seem as simple and innocent as some have tried to say. Well that's the game, to insult people. Not cherry pick how you insult them. These people who pay to be insulted knows very well what it's about. If I put my fingers in a door knob, I should not shocked if fingers gets stuck and I cry in pain afterwards. But the issue here isn't "How dare she hurt the feelings of that guy in particular by insulting him". Your point doesn't really make any sense in light of what the actual conversation is.
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Apr 26, 2019 17:09:56 GMT -5
Well that's the game, to insult people. Not cherry pick how you insult them. These people who pay to be insulted knows very well what it's about. If I put my fingers in a door knob, I should not shocked if fingers gets stuck and I cry in pain afterwards. But the issue here isn't "How dare she hurt the feelings of that guy in particular by insulting him". Your point doesn't really make any sense in light of what the actual conversation is. it wouldn't make sense in any universe either cause if i'm donating $15 on a gaming stream for someone to talk shit about me i kinda have the expectation both from where they work and where the shit's being broadcasted that they're not gonna call me a f***ing slur lol
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Apr 26, 2019 17:14:55 GMT -5
[donates a ten to humberto carillo live on twitch tv]
hell yeah bet he's gonna call me slurs
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Post by benstudd on Apr 26, 2019 17:16:36 GMT -5
Well that's the game, to insult people. Not cherry pick how you insult them. These people who pay to be insulted knows very well what it's about. If I put my fingers in a door knob, I should not shocked if fingers gets stuck and I cry in pain afterwards. But the issue here isn't "How dare she hurt the feelings of that guy in particular by insulting him". Your point doesn't really make any sense in light of what the actual conversation is. *scratching head* Isn't this what happened that she threw an insult at someone and that person didn't like it or am I missing something?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 26, 2019 17:19:12 GMT -5
But the issue here isn't "How dare she hurt the feelings of that guy in particular by insulting him". Your point doesn't really make any sense in light of what the actual conversation is. *scratching head* Isn't this what happened that she threw an insult at someone and that person didn't like it or am I missing something? No, it's that she used a homophobic slur live on stream, and that word is more broadly hurtful to people than to just one specific guy. Did you even read the thread?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 26, 2019 17:20:43 GMT -5
[donates a ten to humberto carillo live on twitch tv] hell yeah bet he's gonna call me slurs Me: Oh hey cool if I become a twitch sub for Tyler Breeze he'll tell me a cool, interesting fact. Tyler Breeze: The Holocaust was all staged after the war to turn people against Germany.
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Post by benstudd on Apr 26, 2019 17:29:50 GMT -5
*scratching head* Isn't this what happened that she threw an insult at someone and that person didn't like it or am I missing something? No, it's that she used a homophobic slur live on stream, and that word is more broadly hurtful to people than to just one specific guy. Did you even read the thread? Still I will say this whole situation was designed to lead to something like that no matter what. She was insulting people that paid for it and then someone pay for her service and he didn't want to be insulted(maybe?) and she said the slur and hoops it wasn't the right person to say that too. Seems like the whole concept was meant to be a disaster.
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Post by KobashiChop on Apr 26, 2019 17:38:21 GMT -5
But the issue here isn't "How dare she hurt the feelings of that guy in particular by insulting him". Your point doesn't really make any sense in light of what the actual conversation is. *scratching head* Isn't this what happened that she threw an insult at someone and that person didn't like it or am I missing something? I'll preface this by saying I'm not a member of the LGBTQ community and I cant in any way relate to anyone of that community reacting to this on any way. It's a bullshit thing to call someone as an insult. Its an antiquated thing to say in this context and people need to move o from using it. People are upset for a justifiable reason. Personally speaking, she did the right thing to apologise the way she did. I've used homophobic language in the past and its something you have to make the effort to grow out of. I grew up in a working class English town and I know the sentiments that you grow up with until you make the effort to be better. Evidently she hasn't just yet. It doesn't make her a raging homophobe but she clearly defaults to homophobic language even if she's grown up using it without a homophobic context. Hopefully doing this on a stage as big as the internet is a learning experience for her. That's why people are upset. Because this particular F word serves as a reminder to a particular demographic that they are denigrated for nothing more than their sheer existence. Not a choice of lifestyle, a taste or a fashion sense, their f***ing existence. The people that are evidently upset in this thread arent calling for her to be fired or cancelled but are most notably just upset that a prominent wrestler is using this language. Like I said, this doesn't make Rhea an unquestionably homophobic person, but rather it just means she needs to address the fact that this is a word that has a severe effect on a particular section of the larger audience.
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Post by Spider2024 on Apr 26, 2019 17:40:43 GMT -5
But how much does that gal weigh?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 26, 2019 17:51:06 GMT -5
No, it's that she used a homophobic slur live on stream, and that word is more broadly hurtful to people than to just one specific guy. Did you even read the thread? Still I will say this whole situation was designed to lead to something like that no matter what. She was insulting people that paid for it and then someone pay for her service and he didn't want to be insulted(maybe?) and she said the slur and hoops it wasn't the right person to say that too. Seems like the whole concept was meant to be a disaster. I don't think I've even heard how the guy who got insulted took it. It's irrelevant to what people are talking about here. You're focusing so much on this one guy but it's not about him and it's not even really about the idea of insulting people who pay you to insult them, it's that the word she used for it was a harmful slur.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Apr 26, 2019 17:52:15 GMT -5
If she was really sorry, she wouldn't have said it in the first place. .... what?
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 26, 2019 18:09:04 GMT -5
If she was really sorry, she wouldn't have said it in the first place. .... what? She said "If she was really sorry, she wouldn't have said it in the first place."
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Post by romanstylesiii on Apr 26, 2019 18:47:48 GMT -5
If she was really sorry, she wouldn't have said it in the first place. That is pretty reductionist. As for Rhea, she is young and this was stupid. I don't for a second think she's a homophobe. This isn't something to lump in with Hogan. I'm queer, and at her age I still used that word as a 'generic' insult and I don't even come from Australia. People often think that intentions are magic and that using the word when *you* aren't phobic makes it okay. 100% this. People say stupid things in a reactionary way. As someone who is also in the LGTBQ community I find the people who sit on a soap box like the first poster way more offensive than someone who just slipped up. Putting yourself on a soap box and acting like you have never said anything stupid, while you have a giant pitchfork is FAR more detrimental to contemporary society than someone who says something dumb. Once again, as someone IN that community, if you are going to take part in an online social media lynch mob, please do not pretend to be apart of our community or act like you care. You are the thing we are fighting against.
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Post by r. on Apr 26, 2019 22:08:30 GMT -5
Just as a question for the overseas people here how does that jive with the slang {Spoiler}fag you use for smokes? [eta: spoilered and used for both clarity and sensitivity]
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Post by Cyno on Apr 26, 2019 22:15:19 GMT -5
Just as a question for the overseas people here how does that jive with the slang {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}fag you use for smokes? [eta: spoilered and used for both clarity and sensitivity] You're a cigarette.
She said "If she was really sorry, she wouldn't have said it in the first place."
I get the sentiment behind the original post, but it doesn't make sense. Apologies are meant to show contrition for wrongdoings. If you didn't do anything wrong, then there's nothing to be sorry about.
I agree with the consensus that I doubt Rhea Ripley is consciously homophobic, but it says a lot more about how normalized that word was as a generic insult versus its status as a slur against members of the LGBTQ+ community. It's something I was desensitized to when I was a teenager/young adult and I had to re-sensitize myself to the word being a slur that shouldn't be used.
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