cjh
Hank Scorpio
Posts: 6,573
|
Post by cjh on May 15, 2019 14:29:59 GMT -5
I thought the Network didn't usually add logos to older footage? That huge title in the top right-hand corner was pretty distracting. They will likely remove that from the on demand version soon if they haven't already. Those always appear on shows that debut on the live stream.
|
|
|
Post by Rumble McSkirmish on May 15, 2019 15:51:58 GMT -5
I got a kick out of the fact that the guy who beat Magee at the 1983 strongest man competition was another strong man turned pro wrestler: Bill Kazmaier (Whom also had his brush with ring greatness teaming with Jushin Liger at WCW Starrcade 91: Battlebowl.)
|
|
|
Post by Pooh Carlson on May 15, 2019 18:01:34 GMT -5
Just watched the special. Very enjoyable, both the doc and match. - I'm glad Magee is in good health now. I saw that pic of him after the attack. It's jarring at first seeing him not huge, but he's just normal size human now. - That was a nice tv match too. The crowd reactions were great. Not hyperbole when Monsoon says they're on their feet for Magee. They really loved him that night and hated Bret. I especially liked that one fan throwing up middle finger at Bret at the entrance way.- It'd very Vince move to make sure everyone in earshot hear you proclaim Magee his new world champ and then to Magee be like we'll bring you along slowly. - I was distracted by X-Pac's cute little dog sleeping. Somebody should photoshop Seth Rollins' face on that kid to use as a response to the Bret gif.
|
|
|
Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on May 15, 2019 18:12:04 GMT -5
Just watched the special. Very enjoyable, both the doc and match. - I'm glad Magee is in good health now. I saw that pic of him after the attack. It's jarring at first seeing him not huge, but he's just normal size human now. - That was a nice tv match too. The crowd reactions were great. Not hyperbole when Monsoon says they're on their feet for Magee. They really loved him that night and hated Bret. I especially liked that one fan throwing up middle finger at Bret at the entrance way.- It'd very Vince move to make sure everyone in earshot hear you proclaim Magee his new world champ and then to Magee be like we'll bring you along slowly. - I was distracted by X-Pac's cute little dog sleeping. Somebody should photoshop Seth Rollins' face on that kid to use as a response to the Bret gif.
|
|
chazraps
Wade Wilson
Better have my money when I come-a collect!
Posts: 27,955
|
Post by chazraps on May 15, 2019 21:36:11 GMT -5
I thought the Network didn't usually add logos to older footage? That huge title in the top right-hand corner was pretty distracting. That's just for what's on the channel as it's playing live so you know what you're watching.
|
|
|
Post by Sir Woodrow on May 16, 2019 14:52:16 GMT -5
Bret meets the future Shawn Michaels
|
|
|
Post by prettynami on May 17, 2019 19:45:12 GMT -5
Kid has a glorious bedazzled shirt too.
|
|
|
Post by DZ: WF Legacy on May 17, 2019 19:49:10 GMT -5
He was just expressing that he was Bret's #1 fan.
|
|
|
Post by Joe Neglia on May 17, 2019 23:00:17 GMT -5
Does anyone find it ironic that it was Dave Meltzer who hyped this match up to the “legend” it became but WWE at large ignores Meltzers existence but now they are promoting this so heavily as the most infamous lost match. All off Dave’s promotion of it originally They've used Meltzer plenty of times over the years in talking head bits. And he was actually on the payroll as an advisor for a while many years ago.
|
|
Phil Parent
El Dandy
Your Favourite Teacher
Posts: 8,508
|
Post by Phil Parent on May 18, 2019 22:12:59 GMT -5
So, I'm sitting at Tim Hortons after a show with 4 of my colleagues tonight and one goes "Hey, WWE released Magee VS Hart on the Network." and somehow this meant something for all of us. We heard of this match as Bret Hart's ultimate carry job, but also as a showcase for this guy Tom Magee who never went anywhere afterwards. So you had 4 wrestlers huddled up behind that fifth guy holding his cell phone up, watching a wrestling match/documentary on TH's shitty free wifi. The world we live in.
We did get weird looks. But that might have been WonderFred's BO. Straight up kitty litter.
Anyways, yeah! Tom Magee, man! I see it, I see what Vince saw there. Kerry Von Erich doing backflips. In many ways ahead of his time, but in others this is a guy that defies definitions, like an anomaly type of deal. He really wasn't bad in what he did, he had great form, he did his spots well. The little interview shows that he seems to be a good guy with a good head on his shoulders, seems like he would have been coachable, so we talked about it, why didn't he work out?
And then I latched on to something they said in the documentary. Multiple tours of Japan.
Ahhhh?
So, I picked up MY phone, I brought up THIS match on YouTube.
Now, he went from Bret Hart to Hiroshi Wajima, that's quite the drop in quality. For those who don't know, Wajima was one of Japanese wrestling's biggest busts, he was brought in AJPW amidst huge hype, and his potential never materialised. And you kinda see why Magee didn't work out.
His basics were shit. It's like a chef that can do all the complicated exotic stuff but then can't cook scrambled eggs. Bret made his match VS Magee PERFECT to make Magee look like a million bucks. He isolated his high spots, spaced them out and sold big for them. He walked him through the whole thing as well. Bret had Magee do everything he looked good doing and hid all his weaknesses. That's the mark of not only a great wrestler but a great wrestling mind as well, Bret should be an agent somewhere, but maybe he'd cost too much for the job given we're talking about Bret the f***ing Hitman Hart, but he'd be awesome at it, I'm sure.
Wajima on the other hand... wow, he gave him NOTHING, uh? And it showed, Magee suffered out there. Now, I'm sure the match under that one in the listing VS Riki Choshu was a lot better, and you can't forget about Wajima's own limitations. But when you hear the crowd laugh at the lightness and slowness of his strikes, you know there's a problem. He got exposed straying too far away from his confort zone.
Tom Magee would be an immortal legend had he been given an invincibility aura, electric entrance, facepaint & tassles. Maybe he could have been the Ultimate Warrior better than Jim Hellwig, where his physique and spots would have been glorified and his weaknesses hidden.
We'll never know. But there was something there that could have worked.
|
|
Mozenrath
FANatic
Foppery and Whim
Speedy Speed Boy
Posts: 121,038
Member is Online
|
Post by Mozenrath on May 19, 2019 1:53:16 GMT -5
Honestly, so long as he was safe, I'd have probably (if I were a promoter) stuck with him and maybe had him in a Hercules Hernandez role if he didn't get his offense down. Get him to focus on his selling, count on his impressive look to let guys look like a big deal by beating this adonis of a dude who could do the flips and such to pump the crowd for a hope spot.
|
|
Zach
Trap-Jaw
Posts: 368
|
Post by Zach on May 19, 2019 18:14:44 GMT -5
My only complaint is I wish they showed Bret and Tom's reactions after. I wish they showed the interview he did after the match too but it's probably nothing great anyway.
I think it was a little unfair for Tom be labeled as a bad wrestler all these years, he clearly CAN have a good match if paired with the right guy which was the case with a lot of guys back then, especially Warrior. With more training and experience he could have been one of the top guys by the early 90s
It's also interesting that they aired the match straight off the VHS because that proves WWE really doesn't have the tape anymore. I almost was expecting to see an HD crystal clear video of the match pop up at the end
|
|
cjh
Hank Scorpio
Posts: 6,573
|
Post by cjh on May 19, 2019 18:29:35 GMT -5
My only complaint is I wish they showed Bret and Tom's reactions after. I wish they showed the interview he did after the match too but it's probably nothing great anyway. I think it was a little unfair for Tom be labeled as a bad wrestler all these years, he clearly CAN have a good match if paired with the right guy which was the case with a lot of guys back then, especially Warrior. With more training and experience he could have been one of the top guys by the early 90s It's also interesting that they aired the match straight off the VHS because that proves WWE really doesn't have the tape anymore. I almost was expecting to see an HD crystal clear video of the match pop up at the end They still might have it somewhere. There was some Mid-Atlantic TV footage of Flair/Steamboat from the late-1970s on the 2013 "Top 50 Rivalries" home video, and WWE found some better quality video of it than what they used on the Steamboat bio in 2010. In 2010, the video looked like it was pulled from YouTube while the 2013 footage looked like it could be from the original tape.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 20:40:32 GMT -5
Kind of shows how Vince has changed over the years, if Magee showed up today Vince would be hellbent on pushing him regardless of fan reaction or how much he sucked, just because he’s a stubborn old codger and “he knows what’s best” for the WWE Universe.
I think Tom could have been a solid guy in the undercard or part of a team as long as he got to work with guys that would make him look better than he was, a la the Ultimate Warrior,
|
|
|
Post by MAD TITAN on May 20, 2019 0:41:00 GMT -5
Kind of shows how Vince has changed over the years, if Magee showed up today Vince would be hellbent on pushing him regardless of fan reaction or how much he sucked, just because he’s a stubborn old codger and “he knows what’s best” for the WWE Universe. I think Tom could have been a solid guy in the undercard or part of a team as long as he got to work with guys that would make him look better than he was, a la the Ultimate Warrior, He's been hellbent on making that next "guy" before he passes away. Which is why we end up with Reigns' failed push.
|
|
|
Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 20, 2019 5:01:19 GMT -5
Kind of shows how Vince has changed over the years, if Magee showed up today Vince would be hellbent on pushing him regardless of fan reaction or how much he sucked, just because he’s a stubborn old codger and “he knows what’s best” for the WWE Universe. I think Tom could have been a solid guy in the undercard or part of a team as long as he got to work with guys that would make him look better than he was, a la the Ultimate Warrior, He's been hellbent on making that next "guy" before he passes away. Which is why we end up with Reigns' failed push. If only a guy who had the look that Vince loves, and is a WWE product (no independent experience at all), was loved by the crowd, getting big pops constantly. But where you gonna find somebody like that?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 21:35:01 GMT -5
Man, he had to have one of the best looks ever.
I just watched the match. It was definitely not a bad match by any means but I don’t see what all the hype was about lol. Maybe I was wrong for expecting one of the best matches ever.... but Bret must have had about 30 better matches.
Magee was incredibly basic in his offense but Bret made him look like a million bucks. I suppose that’s the real story here.
|
|
|
Post by BlackoutCreature on May 21, 2019 21:37:59 GMT -5
Man, he had to have one of the best looks ever. I just watched the match. It was definitely not a bad match by any means but I don’t see what all the hype was about lol. Maybe I was wrong for expecting one of the best matches ever.... but Bret must have had about 30 better matches. Magee was incredibly basic in his offense but Bret made him look like a million bucks. I suppose that’s the real story here. Yeah, watching it I thought it was a pretty good match, but it seemed like it was pretty blatantly being carried by Bret. I'm not sure how anybody could look at it and say "man, that Tom Magee was awesome".
|
|
Mozenrath
FANatic
Foppery and Whim
Speedy Speed Boy
Posts: 121,038
Member is Online
|
Post by Mozenrath on May 22, 2019 0:46:07 GMT -5
Man, he had to have one of the best looks ever. I just watched the match. It was definitely not a bad match by any means but I don’t see what all the hype was about lol. Maybe I was wrong for expecting one of the best matches ever.... but Bret must have had about 30 better matches. Magee was incredibly basic in his offense but Bret made him look like a million bucks. I suppose that’s the real story here. Yeah, watching it I thought it was a pretty good match, but it seemed like it was pretty blatantly being carried by Bret. I'm not sure how anybody could look at it and say "man, that Tom Magee was awesome". Keep in mind, there basically were no guys with Tom's look who were doing cartwheels and shit back then, that's probably what they saw and saw dollar signs in. He was buff as hell, but didn't move like a steamroller on nyquil like Ted Arcidi.
|
|
Crappler El 0 M
Dalek
Never Forgets an Octagon
I'm a good R-Truth.
Posts: 58,479
|
Post by Crappler El 0 M on May 22, 2019 7:50:11 GMT -5
Watching it again, you can really see how inexperienced and limited Tom was. Bret was smart to build the match around Tom only doing flips, arm drag, leap frog, and dropkicks.
|
|