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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 2:01:57 GMT -5
At this juncture I'd probably give the belt to Page, but really only so he can lose it in short order to Moxley.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 30, 2019 2:32:17 GMT -5
At this juncture I'd probably give the belt to Page, but really only so he can lose it in short order to Moxley. Yeah, that was actually a third reason I had in mind for Page. He could easily be a transitional champion to put the belt on Moxley, a possibility that doesn't really exist with Jericho as champ since Moxley vs. Jericho isn't a fresh match up with too much ex-WWE baggage. Would consider hyping it as a hyped TV main event though since they will eventually face off at some point.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 30, 2019 2:43:57 GMT -5
Having to win a match, to get in a match that if you win gives you a bye in a tournament was a weird stipulation, ends up being more work than just having an opening round match in a tournament. I would have liked some explanation on why a commentator was only referred to as golden boy, is he an ex wrestler? Also I would have saved the unsanctioned stipulation for a fued blow off and just billed the main event as a hardcore. Goldenboy is someone from the esports scene, a commentator there. As for the bye, I guess the idea is that they'll get some more rest time, since sure, they had to win a match now like they would have had to in the tournament, anyway, but the other teams are going to have to win theirs much closer to the other tournament matches, and are thus going to have their endurance tested more.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 30, 2019 2:55:13 GMT -5
The Dark Order isn't working, but it can be tweaked, I think.
The Librarian shit is unwatchable. It wasn't funny when they were hyping it on BTE. Just because "the joke is it's not funny" is the premise, doesn't mean you get a pass. Whichever guy who came up with it needs to admit they came up with it, apologize, and give a better gimmick to Leva and Peter, because this shit isn't good, even in an ironic way.
I don't need to see venue or convention operators getting TV time. The match was fine, but that needs to be a one and done.
Entrances, they really gotta turn the music up, if I'm focusing on trying to hear the music, I'm missing out on the rest.
Almost all of that was pre-show stuff. So yeah, their pre-show game needs work, because their main show is top tier stuff.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jun 30, 2019 2:59:57 GMT -5
Really the only thing about AEW I dont like is the Young Bucks. They have been having pretty much the same match since 2008. Everything else about AEW has been at least decent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 3:09:50 GMT -5
The Librarians.
The thing is there will be some gimmicks that don't work early on. As long as they recognise when something's not getting over it's fine. The Librarians well I just don't ever see this shit getting over, it's different but doesn't work and the people behind the gimmick aren't good either.
Also pre shows are a good way for them to gauge what is or isn't working.
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Post by King Devitt on Jun 30, 2019 3:18:34 GMT -5
As others have stated: the unprotected chairshot. not necessary at all. especially considering that the feud has a great backstory that many of us were wondering would lead to a feud.
Personally though the one thing that irritated me was the British guy (forget his name) on the pre-show. He was so annoying that I had to watch the rest of it with the sound off.
Like who cares that Private Party aren't the most muscular dudes? The guy wouldn't let it go, but you have Chuckie T in there who looks like he hasn't seen a gym in years.
Also turned the sound off for The Librarian stuff. Backstage skits are fine, and even then at DoN it was cringey and too long.
Dark Order have potential but I'm not digging mini-Kratos at all. I don't think he's a good fit. I do dig the rest of it tho. Work on the timing of the lights out stuff. Takes wayyyyy too long.
Entrances need more character to them. Don't give the "chosen ones" the pyro and fancy trons. And again as others stated the music needs to be louder.
And tweaked. It's an improvement, but it sounds so lifeless and samey.
I like Hangman Page for the most part, but I don't think he's first world champ material. MJF would be a muuuuuch better choice overall.
Other than that for a "b-show" I didn't mind much else.
It was a wrestling show at a video game convention, that alone, for what we got, was pretty stellar.
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Post by Crow Dust on Jun 30, 2019 5:55:37 GMT -5
Too much comedy and some of it just being terrible
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 30, 2019 9:42:37 GMT -5
The Dark Order so far doesn’t truly bother me, but they hopefully will figure out how they want to book them and don’t let them exist aimlessly like Aces & Eights on Impact, or Bray Wyatt when the writers run out of ideas for him. The group needs to have a strong presence that at least keeps them in title contention.
Camera work is kinda iffy on occasion, but it’s a new company so that’s a hiccup I can forgive them for now.
Page is generally fine with me, I thought he was hella impressive in his Japan matches. But I’m also leaning towards Jericho being the first AEW Champion because of his star power. Either man winning would be fine and I’m sure Page will eventually get a reign if he keeps improving at his pace, but Y2J can still go, as goofy as the whole Painmaker thing is ( I honestly kinda enjoy it).
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 30, 2019 9:44:06 GMT -5
The Dark Order so far doesn’t truly bother me, but they hopefully will figure out how they want to book them and don’t let them exist aimlessly like Aces & Eights on Impact, or Bray Wyatt when the writers run out of ideas for him. The group needs to have a strong presence that at least keeps them in title contention. Camera work is kinda iffy on occasion, but it’s a new company so that’s a hiccup I can forgive them for now. Page is generally fine with me, I thought he was hella impressive in his Japan matches. But I’m also leaning towards Jericho being the first AEW Champion because of his star power. Either man winning would be fine and I’m sure Page will eventually get a reign if he keeps improving at his pace, but Y2J can still go, as goofy as the whole Painmaker thing is ( I honestly kinda enjoy it). Guessing that Dark Order vs Best Friends is going to be a feud, probably one taking the other out of the tag tournament, maybe causing both of them to end up out of it.
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Post by eJm on Jun 30, 2019 9:45:23 GMT -5
I’d say production is still a problem going forward. Especially on Fyter Fest, there were a few moments of cameras missing things and sometimes they went into cutting to the crowd too much. It’s not as bad as TNA were at one point or the worst of WWE but they do need to iron that out before October.
Like I said before, if they find someone like Lagana with live production experience, it’ll make things easier. I appreciate the Bucks and Cody wanting to do it but it really benefits their job if an experience hand is there to steer the ship.
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Post by Rave on Jun 30, 2019 9:57:41 GMT -5
Please no more unprotected chairshots. Allin's Coffin Drop should be at least limited to big shows, if not phased out as well.
I will be very happy if I never again see Alex Jebailey in any kind of wrestling-related capacity. Nakazawa can go too. That match was beyond bad, even for a comedy match.
I'm in the minority in that I love the Librarians and that it's intentionally s'posed to be terrible, but I don't think I'd miss it much. Just keep the Leva/Avalon pairing, that's all I ask.
Maybe get a streaming service other than BR Live, one that actually supports console streaming and isn't buffering every few seconds.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jun 30, 2019 10:01:12 GMT -5
I only watched the pre show but yeah the Librarian shit is SO bad. It's not so bad it's good. It's just bad. Not even close to entertaining. Not even like a "Oh maybe I'd like this if I watched BTE. I just don't get it." Just bad. Even the live crowd didn't seem to give a shit either and you KNOW they're actively desperate to like everything and give it a chance. I actually feel bad for the people doing it.
I don't get Nakazawa either but again I don't watch BTE so whatever. I don't like the way Justin Roberts over does his announcing either.
The tag match was great though.
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Post by The Trashman on Jun 30, 2019 10:04:13 GMT -5
The backstage stuff is just awful and oh yeah unprotected chair shot. Also I forgot how much I hated Justin Roberts.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jun 30, 2019 10:19:56 GMT -5
The Librarian gimmick reminded me alot of Daffneys Governor gimmick in TNA. That's an interesting comparison, because Daffney ended up taking off as soon as she ditched the gimmick and went back to being a psychotic goth queen. Meanwhile, Leva Bates, who has spent most of her career dressing up as video game and anime characters, was utilized on this video game/pro wrestling crossover event playing a heel librarian gimmick. That's some odd choice of talent utilization here, and it sticks out when almost everyone else is thriving on playing the roles that got them to the dance. Likewise, you have the Super Smash Bros. on a video game/pro wrestling crossover event not doing any video game references. Like, obviously you can't use the name, or else face the wrath of Nintendo's legal department, but come on.
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Post by ayumidah on Jun 30, 2019 10:20:08 GMT -5
Mostly just the Librarians. Maybe get a streaming service other than BR Live, one that actually supports console streaming and isn't buffering every few seconds. Oh, it wasn't just me then? Everyone on my timeline was going on about how smooth theirs played and it was bumming me out because I had to pretty much sit here and coax it to keep playing every couple of minutes at points. Started to think it was my device or something.
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Post by markymark on Jun 30, 2019 10:56:12 GMT -5
Even Tony Khan wasnt a fan of Jebailey vs Nakazawa, if they wanted a good comedy relief match, just do Nakazawa vs Avalon(with a new gimmick)
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Post by Rave on Jun 30, 2019 11:14:09 GMT -5
Maybe get a streaming service other than BR Live, one that actually supports console streaming and isn't buffering every few seconds. Oh, it wasn't just me then? Everyone on my timeline was going on about how smooth theirs played and it was bumming me out because I had to pretty much sit here and coax it to keep playing every couple of minutes at points. Started to think it was my device or something. Oh you definitely weren't alone. The preshow wasn't too bad with it, but once the main show started, it just wouldn't stop buffering. I think I spent more of the show trying to get it to stop than actually watching, and it only calmed down near the tail end. I know my internet's pretty shit, but that's pretty bad even for it.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 30, 2019 11:19:04 GMT -5
Nakazawa vs Jebailey was meant for a very specific audience and it was represented with the people attending the show. I loved the match personally, but then I'm part of that targeted audience as a member of the FGC. I don't think anyone has to worry about it being anything but a one-time thing though, given that Jebailey is barely a trained wrestler and not a member of the AEW roster. At worst it'd be a once a year thing during pre-shows if AEW does more crossover shows with CEO tournaments. Like I said either in this thread or another, maybe the pre-shows should be dark from now on. They serve a similar purpose to a warmup comedian before a TV show taping, who isn't exactly the most entertaining person, but they serve their purpose of getting the audience ready for the real show.
Nakazawa came over from DDT Pro Wrestling in Japan, which is sort of a mix between more standard puro and WWE-style sports entertainment. I think they're still considered an independent promotion, but they have a pretty decent following. Their biggest show draws about 6000 people.
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Post by Cieto on Jun 30, 2019 11:40:32 GMT -5
They need to sync the entrance themes into the PPV audio also, rather than the just the standard arena PA system. I find I'm mostly searching the web after just to listen to the themes properly.
Other than that, quite happy/content with everything else so far. The last 15 plus years or so wrestling has been/or at least has tried to be too perfect, so I really dont mind the teething problems here and there. Especially when we are only 2 shows deep.
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