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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Jul 1, 2019 14:17:18 GMT -5
Blindsiding someone with a chair "so that they don't have enough time to get their hands up" is not a face move. "his face status" in that sentence was supposed to refer to Cody, who is the guy teaming with his brother against Heel Bucks at Fight for the Fallen and has worked as the heel in both of his matches thus far. I'm expecting him and Dustin Rhodes to be a much more obvious and old school face tag team against the Young Bucks.
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Post by lavelleuk on Jul 1, 2019 16:11:20 GMT -5
I haven't really watched wrestling properly for the last couple of years, but I've checked out the last two AEW events and been pleasantly surprised.
Some things I don't like are due to my age/personal preferences so not really worth mentioning.
I will say I haven't enjoyed the women's matches very much, was surprised to see people praising them. Thought the recent triple threat was really poor and very botchy, got to be honest none of the Japanese female wrestlers have impressed me, the smiling girl is annoying too. Both kongs looked in great pain just moving too.
That Bates I've not seem in AEW but I saw her have some god awful matches in the UK a few years ago after leaving NXT, she was worse than some of the rookies who never made it lol. Genuinly surprisedshe's not only in AEW but also in a position of power I believe? I'd have thought they'd only want the very best to show they're a good alternative to WWE
Not a fan of that Maxwell guy either, boring look, boring promos. But I've always hated pointless filler "please boo me" promos whether it's ECW insult the fans promos, WWE insult local sports teams promos or just his random "don't boo me...Oh my god you're booing that!" stuff. Always boring.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Jul 1, 2019 17:45:09 GMT -5
- Call me a scrooge, but basically any and all of the comedy stuff. I just never did like comedy with my wrestling. I suppose if it's done right, and rarely it could be ok, but it seems like AEW is going out of their way to make the pre-show "the goofy part".
- The only other thing I can think of off the top of my head right now, is that I wish everyone would get on the same page in regards to how much they want to "kayfabe" stuff or not. I thought Tony did a really good job sort of taking a kayfabe-but-shooting stance about the chair shot, while the Bucks just came out and said the chair was gimmicked. I know its 2019 and it's all a work but you dont have to pull the curtain back every chance you get.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 18:10:54 GMT -5
Tony Khan in general is a big block for me, for reasons I've gone into in other threads.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jul 2, 2019 11:12:18 GMT -5
Tell Justin Roberts that ever vowel does not need to last 5 seconds.
Sell more in fast paced matches. Cramming in as many high spots as possible is not impressive if it comes at the expense of realism.
Cody is just not my cup of tea outside mid card stuff.
Terrific character work from Moxley but he still is not a very interesting wrestler to me any more than Ambrose was.
And more skin tight clothes on Allin please.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Jul 2, 2019 19:29:59 GMT -5
Here is a thing, AEW needs to get a camera for their post-match interviews and get them on the AEW channel to give it a Unique Selling Point.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jul 2, 2019 19:37:36 GMT -5
Wait, so the bucks are heels?
I’m still confused about Cody
And that Omega beatdown on Moxley had me trying to remember which one was the face and heel.
Omega Was fueling with the evil Jericho, who got got jumped by John Moxley who beat up Omega. Omega comes out o this super fan friendly entrance vs the Lucha bros, Moxley has this super violent but entertaining hardcore match and Omega jumps him after the match after he’s already destroyed his body.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 2, 2019 21:45:23 GMT -5
Wait, so the bucks are heels? I’m still confused about Cody And that Omega beatdown on Moxley had me trying to remember which one was the face and heel. Omega Was fueling with the evil Jericho, who got got jumped by John Moxley who beat up Omega. Omega comes out o this super fan friendly entrance vs the Lucha bros, Moxley has this super violent but entertaining hardcore match and Omega jumps him after the match after he’s already destroyed his body. Omega was just returning the favor of when Moxley attacked hin..I dknt see how he could be a heel in this scenario
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Jul 2, 2019 22:09:42 GMT -5
Honestly, in the spirit of the thread, it might be a little complicated. Basically AEW seems to be working on an axis of "How Babyface a team/individual is"
So like the Rhodes Brothers are more Babyface than the Young Bucks who are more Babyface than the Dark Order
And the context of who is wrestling how matters as well, as Cody wrestling singles matches with way more heelishness in him than I expect his tag match will have based on the build. He will likely work face against Shawn Spears, since the blood feud is coming from Spears choices as more heel than Cody.
And then you factor in allegiances, like MJF is attached to Cody, so in angles where he is helping Cody against (for example) Shawn Spears, he is more babyface than he is normally.
Everyone's situation is different and a little complicated and I love that because it makes them more complex as characters, but it also makes understanding the situation at a glance harder.
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Post by Dang! on Jul 3, 2019 14:50:20 GMT -5
I didn't like the whole "bloody" stuff in both of Cody's appeareances. The "hardcore" stuff with Ambrose and Janela was pretty tame so far, but there's no need for going all out "outlaw mudshow" with the blood.
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Post by Muskrat on Jul 3, 2019 16:26:27 GMT -5
A lot of these are pretty nit picky
-Justin Roberts needs to take about 10-20% off the top there. He’s like a parody of a ring announcer out there, I don’t remember him being that bad
-Still kinks in the production, but that’s to be expected. That’ll tighten up with weekly TV
-I didn’t see it, but I haven’t heard much positive about the pre show last weekend.
-There gonna have depth issues for the first while as people get established. Stick to it, and build people up. Don’t panic and just bring in too many already established guys
-Excalibur’s mask honestly really bugs me. If he wasn’t so good at his job, it would bother me more.
-I probably would’ve let FyterFest be its own independent thing. Having the over the top shit while still building major angles was a questionable move for their second ever show. It probably would’ve been better to let that exist in a bubble with a lot of it being a niche audience for an already niche product. If they do the CEO thing next year, I’d probably treat it more like a house show than an important event. It’s not really the show you wanna push on a new audience, and they’re gonna have to start being a little less insular come October. Right now it’s okay, as I’d bet a majority of the people follow BTE and the Road to YouTube shows but come TNT you have to book on the assumption most haven’t seen it.
-In hindsight, they probably shouldn’t have launched 6 months before having TV. The sporadic summer schedule should’ve been small shows to keep the name out there leading up to All Out as the big debut right before TV starts. Instead, they started with a bang and now it feels like they’re treading water till things REALLY kickoff at All Out and the TNT show. It’s like when shows used to do a “Special Sneak Preview” of 1 episode of a new show, and the show doesn’t debut for 4 months. If they had to launch in May, I would’ve gone All In 2 and not bothered starting any real storylines yet, just do a showcase PPV. I definitely would’ve waited to establish the 2 top contenders. The Moxley debut would’ve been more shocking too if he was coming off G1 and was a reigning champion in NJPW
-The Dark Order really isn’t clicking yet, but I’d give them time. They have been gone a long time and people legitimately aren’t familiar with them at all.
-Alex Marvez was a mistake. Nothing against him personally, but I would’ve gone with a younger face. Someone who legitimately be the voice of AEW for 20+ years. Somebody relatively unknown that eventually when you hear his voice you know it’s AEW. I don’t see Marvez ever being that guy. For better or worse, when you hear Michael Cole you know it’s WWE because he’s been their lead guy for 10+ years, and a full time commentator there for over 20
-They definitely need to tighten up their communication a bit. The PAC thing, the Brian Cage thing all could’ve been sorted out before they became an issue with proper communication between companies. If you’re gonna work with other promotions, you can’t have little communication break downs or shits not gonna work. I would say that’s likely CD’s department, but I’m really not sure. Either way, that needs to be fixed.
That’s all for now. Like I said, mostly nit picky, and most of them are easily correctable.
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Post by government mule on Jul 5, 2019 9:14:26 GMT -5
As somebody who has only really watched WWE and only really recognise them and the older TNA guys, I felt I needed more context on who some people were because I hadn't had the opportunity to see some of these guys before.
My main fear before this project started was the idea of being excluded before I could get involved (why the hell does that commentator wear a mask?!?). It feels a little bit pretentious at the moment, and I hope we get more inclusiveness that caters for everyone that wants to try new things without the idea of being ignored (eg - 'We're not going to tell you about this Japanese wrestler because you should know already - you're not a real fan unless you've watched their entire NJPW catalogue).
Also, I was more affected by the blood in the Cody/Dustin than I thought I would be. I get that a bit of colour adds to a big match and that's ok, but Dustin looked like he needed a blood donor by the end of the match and I was surprised that it took me out of it so much that I must have acclimatised to the lack on blood in recent years. That much of a blade job seems unnecessary nowadays.
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Post by Venti on Jul 5, 2019 9:57:55 GMT -5
As somebody who has only really watched WWE and only really recognise them and the older TNA guys, I felt I needed more context on who some people were because I hadn't had the opportunity to see some of these guys before. My main fear before this project started was the idea of being excluded before I could get involved (why the hell does that commentator wear a mask?!?). It feels a little bit pretentious at the moment, and I hope we get more inclusiveness that caters for everyone that wants to try new things without the idea of being ignored (eg - 'We're not going to tell you about this Japanese wrestler because you should know already - you're not a real fan unless you've watched their entire NJPW catalogue). That's pretty much how I feel. Everyone got pissed at him, but that's what Jim Cornette was basically saying. There is all these things that just go on unexplained. And I don't think it's intentional, but it really does feel kinda like "if you don't get all these random Being the Elite and indy wrestling gags and references, you aren't a real fan." It really feels like I'm seeing a bunch of inside jokes playing out on screen. That's why stuff like Moxley being a violent antihero, Cody and Dustin's brother vs brother match, were so great. Straightforward wrestling characters and angles, and easy to understand. Watching guys pretend to be video game characters, Librarians shushing each other because it's a BTE inside joke, a random PWG guy most people haven't heard of who wears a mask for reasons unknown, all feels like stuff people would grill WWE for. I will give them the benefit of the doubt, Fyter Fest was more of a crossover with the whole video game thing, and AEW is a brand new company still finding their identity and footing. But still, I hope they understand that new viewers will get overwhelmed/turned off if they have to Google and YouTube a bunch of things just to get a basic understanding of what's going on.
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Post by government mule on Jul 5, 2019 10:07:32 GMT -5
As somebody who has only really watched WWE and only really recognise them and the older TNA guys, I felt I needed more context on who some people were because I hadn't had the opportunity to see some of these guys before. My main fear before this project started was the idea of being excluded before I could get involved (why the hell does that commentator wear a mask?!?). It feels a little bit pretentious at the moment, and I hope we get more inclusiveness that caters for everyone that wants to try new things without the idea of being ignored (eg - 'We're not going to tell you about this Japanese wrestler because you should know already - you're not a real fan unless you've watched their entire NJPW catalogue). That's pretty much how I feel. Everyone got pissed at him, but that's what Jim Cornette was basically saying. There is all these things that just go on unexplained. And I don't think it's intentional, but it really does feel kinda like "if you don't get all these random Being the Elite and indy wrestling gags and references, you aren't a real fan." It really feels like I'm seeing a bunch of inside jokes playing out on screen. That's why stuff like Moxley being a violent antihero, Cody and Dustin's brother vs brother match, were so great. Straightforward wrestling characters and angles, and easy to understand. Watching guys pretend to be video game characters, Librarians shushing each other because it's a BTE inside joke, a random PWG guy most people haven't heard of who wears a mask for reasons unknown, all feels like stuff people would grill WWE for. I will give them the benefit of the doubt, Fyter Fest was more of a crossover with the whole video game thing, and AEW is a brand new company still finding their identity and footing. But still, I hope they understand that new viewers will get overwhelmed/turned off if they have to Google and YouTube a bunch of things just to get a basic understanding of what's going on. Yes absolutely agree. There have been many positives from the first two shows and I do believe they have a potentially very stable base on which to build. Just please cut out the pretentious inside jokes and references and make it inclusive for everyone to enjoy an alternative to the WWE. Casual fans such as myself do want this to work, we just need the guidance to care and especially with JR behind the desk, we have that outlet to be invested, if they choose to use it.
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Post by B-RadimusPrime on Jul 5, 2019 10:11:25 GMT -5
I’ve been trying to think of things I don’t really care for when it comes to AEW, but most of them are smaller gripes that I can look past.
My biggest disappointment is the women’s division. So far, I’m only interested in Kylie Rae. She looked like she can legit go in the ring. I’ve been watching matches of most of the division and I’d say Kylie and Bea Priestly are the only ones worth watching. Britt *looks* like a star but I’m not completely sold on her in-ring stuff. Nyla impressed me at the end of the triple threat match but definitely needs some seasoning. Leva and Allie are poor choices for a serious women’s division. I think it’s laughable that so many wrestling fans were hating on ROH for adding Angelina Love and Velvet Sky to their roster...but I’d say Angelina is leaps and bounds better than Allie or Leva have ever been.
I’m not familiar with Sadie Gibbs or Penelope Ford. I’ll look into them soon though. I don’t really want to see either Aja or Awesome Kong again, honestly. As a poster previously said, they both look like they can hardly move.
I’m a big women’s wrestling fan but I know there are far more talented women on the scene that AEW could have went after. I would honestly prefer that they build their women’s division around Kylie, Bea and some of the Joshi wrestlers and rethink their ideas with some of the others. It really is a shame they didn’t get Tessa.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 5, 2019 10:50:53 GMT -5
Wait, so the bucks are heels? I’m still confused about Cody And that Omega beatdown on Moxley had me trying to remember which one was the face and heel. Omega Was fueling with the evil Jericho, who got got jumped by John Moxley who beat up Omega. Omega comes out o this super fan friendly entrance vs the Lucha bros, Moxley has this super violent but entertaining hardcore match and Omega jumps him after the match after he’s already destroyed his body. Omega was just returning the favor of when Moxley attacked hin..I dknt see how he could be a heel in this scenario People are too used to babyfaces being lawful stupid, I guess.
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Post by markymark on Jul 5, 2019 11:59:28 GMT -5
I’ve been trying to think of things I don’t really care for when it comes to AEW, but most of them are smaller gripes that I can look past. My biggest disappointment is the women’s division. So far, I’m only interested in Kylie Rae. She looked like she can legit go in the ring. I’ve been watching matches of most of the division and I’d say Kylie and Bea Priestly are the only ones worth watching. Britt *looks* like a star but I’m not completely sold on her in-ring stuff. Nyla impressed me at the end of the triple threat match but definitely needs some seasoning. Leva and Allie are poor choices for a serious women’s division. I think it’s laughable that so many wrestling fans were hating on ROH for adding Angelina Love and Velvet Sky to their roster...but I’d say Angelina is leaps and bounds better than Allie or Leva have ever been. I’m not familiar with Sadie Gibbs or Penelope Ford. I’ll look into them soon though. I don’t really want to see either Aja or Awesome Kong again, honestly. As a poster previously said, they both look like they can hardly move. I’m a big women’s wrestling fan but I know there are far more talented women on the scene that AEW could have went after. I would honestly prefer that they build their women’s division around Kylie, Bea and some of the Joshi wrestlers and rethink their ideas with some of the others. It really is a shame they didn’t get Tessa. The issue with Angelina and Velvet is using the same stale BP gimmick from a decago ago, and yes Angelina was always a solid wrestler, I found it funny that Meltzer rated the Allure match from BITW better than Allie vs Leva.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 12:27:58 GMT -5
I still don’t get the line of thinking that every single wrestler needs to be explained. Like, how were they supposed to give a proper backstory to every person in a battle royal on a one hour long preshow? Has that ever even been a thing?
My only real gripe so far is that there’s a little too much Brandi for my liking.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 5, 2019 12:36:52 GMT -5
Until the weekly show starts up, BTE and other stuff on Youtube is the only way for them to build angles, characters, and storylines. It's like not watching Raw or Smackdown ever and dipping into a WWE PPV and complaining about not knowing who Seth Rollins or Kofi Kingston are.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 5, 2019 14:05:44 GMT -5
I still don’t get the line of thinking that every single wrestler needs to be explained. Like, how were they supposed to give a proper backstory to every person in a battle royal on a one hour long preshow? Has that ever even been a thing? My only real gripe so far is that there’s a little too much Brandi for my liking. I don't get the commentator wearing a mask hangups. Did they wonder why Ventura or Lawler wore their wrestling gimmicks at the commentary booth... Its also not like luchadors or masked wrestlers in general are some bizzare unheard of thing.
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