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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 23, 2019 15:13:02 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar and it's not even close. He's been their top guy for years while barely showing up, putting in half-assed-at-best performances, and generally giving absolutely no f***s about the company, the fans, the other guys on the roster, or the business. On top of it, ratings and attendance have dropped during his time on top, and doesn't even move much merch. Oh, and he's a shit human being and an average-at-best MMA competitor. Lesnar is the worst top guy in history. Average? Nah. Part Most of the reason Brock is able to get away with being a shit human being is because he's a Genetic Monster who can pretty much rip the head off of anyone in a similar age group to him.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 23, 2019 15:17:32 GMT -5
Gotta go with Roman. He is the reason lots of long time fans I know gave up on WWE. I gave up on WWE big part because of Roman Seth just REALLY reinforces that decision.And even then he is a solid heel and really good in-ring
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Oct 23, 2019 15:19:14 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar and it's not even close. He's been their top guy for years while barely showing up, putting in half-assed-at-best performances, and generally giving absolutely no f***s about the company, the fans, the other guys on the roster, or the business. On top of it, ratings and attendance have dropped during his time on top, and doesn't even move much merch. Oh, and he's a shit human being and an average-at-best MMA competitor. Lesnar is the worst top guy in history. Average at best MMA fighter is simply laughable. Dude was a monster for a green fighter then got derailed by a horrible sickness. Because of said sickness he didn’t reach his massive outerworldy potential, but that doesn’t make him average at best. Everything else is on point. His MMA record is 5-3. Name ONE other fighter who has ever been touted as a world beater with that kind of record. I'll wait. Let's not forget that his last fight went to a decision against a guy who barely fought back, and STILL wound up getting overturned because Lesnar was roided to the gills, which they knew before the fight ever took place. He's pretty easily the most overrated fighter in MMA history.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 23, 2019 15:23:17 GMT -5
Average at best MMA fighter is simply laughable. Dude was a monster for a green fighter then got derailed by a horrible sickness. Because of said sickness he didn’t reach his massive outerworldy potential, but that doesn’t make him average at best. Everything else is on point. His MMA record is 5-3. Name ONE other fighter who has ever been touted as a world beater with that kind of record. I'll wait. Let's not forget that his last fight went to a decision against a guy who barely fought back, and STILL wound up getting overturned because Lesnar was roided to the gills, which they knew before the fight ever took place. He's pretty easily the most overrated fighter in MMA history. Arent his losses one overtuned by drug use(which is fair) and another one while he was still suffering from that stomach disease? I think it is unfair to consider his loss dude to being pretty sick as proof he is not a legit bad-ass.He beat the best of the best if I recall correctly
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Oct 23, 2019 15:25:11 GMT -5
His MMA record is 5-3. Name ONE other fighter who has ever been touted as a world beater with that kind of record. I'll wait. Let's not forget that his last fight went to a decision against a guy who barely fought back, and STILL wound up getting overturned because Lesnar was roided to the gills, which they knew before the fight ever took place. He's pretty easily the most overrated fighter in MMA history. Arent his losses one overtuned by drug use(which is fair) and another one while he was still suffering from that stomach disease? 1 was a green rookie getting caught in a submission. 1 was post-sickness. 1 was getting wrecked by Cain.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 23, 2019 15:25:53 GMT -5
Arent his losses one overtuned by drug use(which is fair) and another one while he was still suffering from that stomach disease? 1 was a green rookie getting caught in a submission. 1 was post-sickness. 1 was getting wrecked by Cain. So the drug one didn't count as a loss?Just erased from the board?I also remember one loss was dude to the sickness still being under effect ,he was really sloppy.But I never paid that much attention either.I think it just might have been the Cain one and he was already recovered
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Oct 23, 2019 15:26:36 GMT -5
1 was a green rookie getting caught in a submission. 1 was post-sickness. 1 was getting wrecked by Cain. So the drug one didn't count as a loss?Just erased from the board? Yeah, got switched to a No-Contest. 5-3-1
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Post by spagett on Oct 23, 2019 15:36:04 GMT -5
I get why people dislike Rollins now.
His recent booking has been appalling and he comes across as such a thin skinned jerk on social media, he seems a real life heel.
But come on now, How can people say this one year of Rollins is worse than the FOUR/FIVE years of PUSH ROMAN nonsense?
Have people forgotten that Roman had 3 Wrestlemania main events in a row from 2016 to 2018 that were all dreadful boring horrible matches? He stank out Mania 3 years running.
He was unbearable as the top guy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 16:08:34 GMT -5
Seth winning this over the eternal forcefeeding of Roman Reigns? Wow. I'm definitely calling recency bias here, as well as his leukemia battle maybe making people remember things differently.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Oct 23, 2019 16:10:53 GMT -5
Seth winning this over the eternal forcefeeding of Roman Reigns? Wow. I'm definitely calling recency bias here, as well as his leukemia battle maybe making people remember things differently. Neither should be winning over Super Cena or Triple "Am I f***ing Going Over?" H, to be honest.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 23, 2019 16:22:24 GMT -5
Seth winning this over the eternal forcefeeding of Roman Reigns? Wow. I'm definitely calling recency bias here, as well as his leukemia battle maybe making people remember things differently. Neither should be winning over Super Cena or Triple "Am I f***ing Going Over?" H, to be honest. Eh,Triple H was never the top Guy. not in the face sense Reign of Terror he was a heel, but then the top guys were always Cena, Austin,Rock,Shawn,Bret.etc. Maybe during his brief run as WWE Champ on SD! ? But that was just forgetable
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Oct 23, 2019 16:31:12 GMT -5
Objectively? Roman is pretty much the gold standard for what a top guy shouldn't be to the point where any time someone's compared to him it's because they're getting a really shit push. I can't not vote for him.
Do I personally think he's the worst though? Honestly, nah. Almost every aspect of modern top guys in WWE that I dislike can be traced back to John Cena and I don't think anyone has made watching the show as consistently miserable for me as he did. Also Jinder happened.
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Post by horseface on Oct 23, 2019 16:33:22 GMT -5
Of the choices there it's gotta be Diesel for me. Wins at a house show with zero buildup(and only a few days after Backlund had won it, giving fans no time to digest him as heel champion), terrible promo the next night, then they keep it on him forever despite it just never really clicking.
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Post by brooklynmets on Oct 23, 2019 16:37:30 GMT -5
Right on. Depends if you mean "worst" as in worst in terms of ratings etc or worst in terms of who you liked least. HBK not blowing ratings out of the stratosphere never mattered to me when I was a kid and was my hero. The Seth hate is so overblown too. So he said some smug things online and might be a little sensitive about criticism. Really doesn't matter to me. I think the criticism on Michaels is probably more geared toward all the political stuff and his attitude problems. I don’t think it’s a knock on the quality of his matches. That is the reason why I chose other. My opinion Bret Hart was just as much a problem as HBK with him not dropping the title in his hometown, not taking Deisels finisher in the cage because he didnt want to look weak. Bret was,is, and always will be a bitter crybaby that makes everything about himself. Those seven votes HBK got.. lol.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 23, 2019 16:38:53 GMT -5
Jinder I think would make the argument for worst wwe champion ever.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Oct 23, 2019 16:42:09 GMT -5
Seth winning this over the eternal forcefeeding of Roman Reigns? Wow. I'm definitely calling recency bias here, as well as his leukemia battle maybe making people remember things differently. Rollins' top face run is what finally made me stop watching and I still agree with this, because he literally is just Roman with worse promos.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Oct 23, 2019 16:48:36 GMT -5
Luger. He made me quit watching WWF for years.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Oct 23, 2019 17:15:54 GMT -5
I think the criticism on Michaels is probably more geared toward all the political stuff and his attitude problems. I don’t think it’s a knock on the quality of his matches. That is the reason why I chose other. My opinion Bret Hart was just as much a problem as HBK with him not dropping the title in his hometown, not taking Deisels finisher in the cage because he didnt want to look weak. Bret was,is, and always will be a bitter crybaby that makes everything about himself. Those seven votes HBK got.. lol. There’s been a history of problems between top talent over the course of wrestling history. It happens when you’re mixing egos and a competitive environment. We’ve heard about it with Sammartino and Rogers or Hogan and Savage or Dusty and Flair. The heat between Bret and Michaels got the most coverage since that’s when we started getting access to things like newsletters and shoot interviews. Neither came out of that whole deal looking very good. Bret never should’ve been given creative control. That just leads to problems. Hogan never should have had it either. No active wrestler should have it, in my opinion. Bret Hart was definitely one of the best world champions of the 90s. Perhaps the best. He had a bunch of memorable matches and they were always great. No one can take that away from him either.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 23, 2019 17:39:53 GMT -5
Neither should be winning over Super Cena or Triple "Am I f***ing Going Over?" H, to be honest. Eh,Triple H was never the top Guy. not in the face sense Reign of Terror he was a heel, but then the top guys were always Cena, Austin,Rock,Shawn,Bret.etc. Maybe during his brief run as WWE Champ on SD! ? But that was just forgetable Trips was definitely the top guy from around late-2002 through 2004. You might argue Orton was in that role for a spell, but he fared so badly in that run that I think it's fair to disregard it. Until Batista and subsequently Cena came around, Trips was definitely 'the face' (not in the babyface sense, mind you) of the company. The only real competition was Lesnar, who was conveniently kept off the Triple H 'A' show. Hell, even when guys like Goldberg and Benoit finally overcame him, they still tended to play second fiddle roles to whatever Trips was doing at the time. It was nuts, and completely against any booking philosophy the company had before.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 23, 2019 17:41:43 GMT -5
Eh,Triple H was never the top Guy. not in the face sense Reign of Terror he was a heel, but then the top guys were always Cena, Austin,Rock,Shawn,Bret.etc. Maybe during his brief run as WWE Champ on SD! ? But that was just forgetable Trips was definitely the top guy from around late-2002 through 2004. You might argue Orton was in that role for a spell, but he fared so badly in that run that I think it's fair to disregard it. Until Batista and subsequently Cena came around, Trips was definitely 'the face' (not in the babyface sense, mind you) of the company. The only real competition was Lesnar, who was conveniently kept off the Triple H 'A' show. Hell, even when guys like Goldberg and Benoit finally overcame him, they still tended to play second fiddle roles to whatever Trips was doing at the time. It was nuts, and completely against any booking philosophy the company had before. Yeh but I assume the intention of the thread is top babyfaces. Given the choices
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