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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 24, 2019 21:54:27 GMT -5
Roman's forced push was so bad but by then the damage had been done with Cena. WWE's determination to make people like Cena and to make him a legend drove fans away and killed WWE as a whole. The Roman push only made things worse. I think people have forgotten just how bad Cena's megapush was. As such, I think a lot of the really early backlash against Reigns was because of the fallout of the long-running Cena push. They were JUST starting to phase out Cena as the main ace of the company, and then you see someone else, at the time not even close to being as good, being recast into literally the same role and all that would entail?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 23:09:16 GMT -5
I think Rollins takes the lame cake easily, Roman and Brock have that "really, anybody else for a change?" factor.
I like too much 80-90s stuff to call them as bad, there's actually some interesting stories.
Triple H was my "first" favourite wrestler ever, can't hate him.
Guys like Cena and Batista are freakin' great in retrospect, even though when I was watching during that time I was pissed that guys like Christian, Kurt Angle, Muhammed Hassan, Rob Van Dam and Rey Mysterio weren't used to their full potential. And all the coolest guys were either in ROH or TNA.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 24, 2019 23:45:36 GMT -5
Yo. Diesel, Shawn and Bret legitimately almost killed the company.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 23:50:04 GMT -5
Yo. Diesel, Shawn and Bret legitimately almost killed the company. I've seen their title reigns and I think those times are far more entertaining than anything in past years. Don't really care about else as I'm not running the company.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 24, 2019 23:53:07 GMT -5
Yo. Diesel, Shawn and Bret legitimately almost killed the company. I've seen their title reigns and I think those times are far more entertaining than anything in past years. Don't really care about else as I'm not running the company. DIESEL?! Where he’s desperately trying to emulate Hulk Hogan to the point of Dieseling Up in awful main event after awful main event? He was so bad he made Vince McMahon change direction. Vince McMahon. The most stubborn f***er in the world, saw him wrestle Bulldog and decided to end the top guy run.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 0:02:23 GMT -5
Good point and I see that, but... Kevin Nash is 10,000 more cooler than Seth Rollins. I love that guy, as clumsy as he is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 17:04:22 GMT -5
For me, it's a toss up between Roman (who was made to look like a bum way, way too many times) and Beastie Boy. That was the most bizarre thing about the Roman push. It was like they wanted to push him as the top star, but were afraid to even give him half the booking treatment Cena got or Becky gets now. I seem to remember the guy losing quite a bit and I also remember him winning the Elimination Chamber match in 2018 over Braun and Seth, who were both a million times more popular, only to get laid out by Braun after the match anyway. WTF? I think Roman just plain not being good enough was a big part of it, but the way WWE treated him did no favors.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Oct 25, 2019 17:22:16 GMT -5
Probably Lex Luger. His 1994 theme was pretty cool, though. HeroooooooOOOOOooooOOOOOOO
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Post by mrtumoursmisery on Oct 25, 2019 18:16:22 GMT -5
I've gotta go with Shawn. I actually watched a lot of his run recently and it's even worse than I remember. The matches were great but his character as a face was just awful. How do you cheer a guy who comes out to a song calling himself a sexy boy, that strips in the ring, including pulling down his tights after the Rumble match? Just so cringe. This is exactly right. Other than having some good matches, there is no defense for Shawn's New Generation run as the top babyface. What was his gimmick? Sexy boy, male stripper with a heart of gold? It was AWFUL. He had a forced push because Vince was infatuated with him (sound familiar?). Business was in the toilet when he was on top (which can't be entirely blamed on Shawn, but he's not entirely free of blame, either). The cheers were coming mostly from children and, to a lesser extent, women (remember the "Lets go Cena/Cena sucks" dueling chants, and how the voices for each chant were distinctly different in pitch?). The crowd response during Shawn vs. Sid at Survivor Series '96 says it all. And it doesn't help that he was an asshole backstage, which did have an effect on the on-screen product (he sabotaged the careers of other wrestlers, refused to make certain people look good, forfeited titles instead of losing them, etc.) That being said, Diesel's time on top was pretty bad. Possibly worse than Shawn. The 7-foot-tall badass being portrayed as a smiley, happy-go-lucky underdog was terrible. And his opponents were godawful.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 25, 2019 19:05:49 GMT -5
There has been nothing like Reigns in the WWE, ever. Reigns got Cena's One Night Stand reactions EVERY WEEK.
I saw non-fans tune in, completely baffled about why the announcers were treating this obvious mega-heel as if he was the top babyface. These other guys, they might be bad, but Reigns caused the shows he was on to make no sense.
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Post by Hurbster on Oct 25, 2019 20:07:30 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett for me. But at least he wasn't that big a deal in WWE.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Oct 25, 2019 21:50:04 GMT -5
Diesel because Nash is a dildo.
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Post by J. Hova on Oct 25, 2019 22:38:06 GMT -5
I voted for Diesel, which was tough for me. I really like Kevin Nash as a person from his shoots and everything it just seems like his personality and mine are pretty well aligned.
His run as champion was horrid. He couldn't work, his babyface promos were terrible. The only thing Diesel should have ever been was a heel or a tweener like he was after Bret beat him. The only matches he ever had that were worth a damn were when he was with the two best workers in the company or industry as a whole. If you ever want to cure yourself of your addiction to wrestling, watch the Diesel vs. Mabel match. To sum up Diesel's reign, there's the Gerald Brisco story. Big Kev was complaining to Gerald about being the lowest paid WWF champion in history to which Gerald quipped, "That's because you are the lowest drawing WWF champion in history." Just think about how much ground that covers.
I think we might have a little recency bias going on here with Seth. I mean his face reigns are terrible from what I've seen (I stopped watching about two years ago but still watch the PPVs and occasionally the weekly recaps) but that's booking. He should just not be on twitter, period. He has thin skin. I'll just say thank God twitter wasn't around and the internet was in its infancy during the 90s, otherwise HBK would probably be a pariah.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 0:15:40 GMT -5
Seth Rollins makes me miss Roman as the top guy.
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Post by Woo on Oct 26, 2019 2:58:57 GMT -5
Tough choice. Diesel wasn't great but his early 96 character showed he could've been amazing were it not for booking. Roman also was screwed by the WWE booking. Seth too in many ways.
But it's Shawn. He wasn't mature enough and refused to job.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Oct 27, 2019 9:29:00 GMT -5
I think anyone at the top in 95 might have struggled.
Big feuds with Mabel and The British Bulldog didn’t help
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 27, 2019 10:52:05 GMT -5
I think anyone at the top in 95 might have struggled. Big feuds with Mabel and The British Bulldog didn’t help And Sid.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 11:44:34 GMT -5
I want to say it was someone from the dark days of the new generation era but even then the main events at least got big reactions usually. In the past couple of years though Reigns and Rollins have been in a number of main event matches that have completely lost the crowd.
It's a bad look when your top guy is wrestling to silence. When Bruno/Hogan/Austin/Rock/Cena wrestled it was almost always the match on the card the crowd was most invested in. These days the main event is regularly getting less of a reaction than the women's division or even midcard matches and I can't just blame the length of the shows. If the match/wrestler is good or over enough, people will react.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 27, 2019 12:22:58 GMT -5
I want to say it was someone from the dark days of the new generation era but even then the main events at least got big reactions usually. In the past couple of years though Reigns and Rollins have been in a number of main event matches that have completely lost the crowd. It's a bad look when your top guy is wrestling to silence. When Bruno/Hogan/Austin/Rock/ Cena wrestled it was almost always the match on the card the crowd was most invested in. These days the main event is regularly getting less of a reaction than the women's division or even midcard matches and I can't just blame the length of the shows. If the match/wrestler is good or over enough, people will react. Come on, Cena doesn't even compare. Booing the top face out of the building night after night is not "investment". Hogan and Austin made people happy. Cena just made people angry.
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Post by Woo on Oct 27, 2019 14:09:06 GMT -5
I'm not the biggest Seth fan but I'm surprised he is winning this. Did he ever tear his quad walking across the ring? Nash didn't injure his leg whilst being the top guy though. Seth did however.
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