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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 27, 2019 12:47:09 GMT -5
On the off chance this thread gets locked I just want to add that you should always be skeptical of pre-release (and often post) speculation and/or claims about movies. If you like a film after you see it great, if you don't that's good too. But always do yourself a solid and view anyone or any outlet stating that a movie/TV blatantly advocates something before you've seen it with a critical eye, because personal interpretation greatly differs, and a half baked "revelation", "leak" or "expose" about a release will go around the internet world several times before anything resembling the truth can get its shoes on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 12:47:44 GMT -5
this character is a badass because she is a female (Captain Marvel) Which is... Not what the movie is at all? She's badass because she's a person who was naturally determined to keep at it with her goals despite her many failures and the obstacles in her way whose grit led her to be caught up in a magical spaceship explosion that gave her powers made out of the universe itself or whatever the Infinity Gems are supposed to be. There are mentions of the completely true thing that in the time period the movie takes place in she wouldn't have been permitted to be a fighter pilot and she shows up a sexist guy in one scene, otherwise her being a woman is irrelevant to the plot. Though I'll grant readily someone doesn't have to like the movie - I did but between it, Shazam, Joker, and Endgame it's handily my least favorite superhero movie I've seen this year.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 27, 2019 12:49:42 GMT -5
Captain Marvel is crap. Deep down, I think everyone knows it's crap but they choose never to side against the Mouse and Marvel. Okay, real quick, some of my opinions here. I've never seen the Ant-Man movies and I'm not going to. Homecoming is a plotless awful mess where no one is likable. Age of Ultron sucked. Winter Soldier is f***ing boring. Iron Man 2 is a giant commercial where the main villain is somehow completely irrelevant to the actual plot. Ragnarok is two movies Frankensteined together that is terrified to ever let a scene end on a serious note. All of those are still better than The Dark World. I liked Captain Marvel quite a bit. Yeah, Captain Marvel isn't God's gift to filmmaking or anything, but it was a fun popcorn flick and I liked it quite a bit. Brie Larson was fine in it, it had a solid supporting cast, and also alien cats that can and will eat anything. Outside of Winter Soldier (which is one of my favorites in the MCU personally), I agree with all of your opinions about the MCU movies I've seen, though I did see Ant-Man and it was ok. Still haven't seen Ragnarok or either MCU Spidey.
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Post by thechase on Oct 27, 2019 12:54:34 GMT -5
Brie was bland as wood and felt like a supporting player than a lead, Jude Law and Jackson carried the whole thing and had the best development. Brie just shunted around doing things. The cat thing was typical MCU hoakey nonsense and eroded the mystery behind something that did not need explaining.
I don't have a lot of time for Marvel movies, their success mystifies me, and with the exception of the DCEU, DC on their worst days eclipse them, especially if you watch anything from their animation library. I've often joked that the MCU audience would love Batman and Robin if it came out today.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 27, 2019 12:56:25 GMT -5
Welp, this is goin exactly the way I figured it would.
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Post by Fade on Oct 27, 2019 12:59:49 GMT -5
Many were probably indoctrinated into a hateful organization at a young age.
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Post by Raskovnik on Oct 27, 2019 13:02:56 GMT -5
I didn't like Captain Marvel much and can't stand Brie Larson because I think she's an unlikable black hole of charisma, but it's frustrating because I basically have to be on her side anyways because that's where the line in the sand was drawn since the world is full of utter manchildren who cannot deal with strong female characters and squall like infants about it being "blatantly forced" any time a main character isn't a straight dude. Since we all know how hard they have it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:10:22 GMT -5
I'd actually like to shift away from Captain Marvel and to something else - She-Ra and the massive uproar that got over having a muscular 16-year-old girl who grew up as part of a military actually look like a muscular 16-year-old girl instead of being some goddess with giant breasts. Like right from the word go, before there was anything to go off of beyond a plot synopsis and some pictures, you had people declaring the series He-Ra or She-Man, Photoshopping it to take out her long hair, and all kinds of other shit, pretty much a ton of vitriol built up immediately over... a pretty routine character design shift in a reboot as you'd see in pretty much any of the other 8,000 reboots announced every day.
Like, I don't know how the hate for that one could possibly be classified as anything other than, "No, but she's supposed to be a sex object!" given how early the hatred came in toward that. Actually for that matter along that same line, High Guardian Spice and how from a single preview image and the mention of a production staff helmed by women, people completely lost their minds.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:15:33 GMT -5
I don't have a lot of time for Marvel movies, their success mystifies me See, I just don't get how blockbuster movies being successful would mystify people. Like, people can be cynical about how they're made or not find them to be quality pictures, but their reasons for success should be obvious.
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Post by Raskovnik on Oct 27, 2019 13:15:55 GMT -5
I'd actually like to shift away from Captain Marvel and to something else - She-Ra and the massive uproar that got over having a muscular 16-year-old girl who grew up as part of a military actually look like a muscular 16-year-old girl instead of being some goddess with giant breasts. Like right from the word go, before there was anything to go off of beyond a plot synopsis and some pictures, you had people declaring the series He-Ra or She-Man, Photoshopping it to take out her long hair, and all kinds of other shit, pretty much a ton of vitriol built up immediately over... a pretty routine character design shift in a reboot as you'd see in pretty much any of the other 8,000 reboots announced every day. Like, I don't know how the hate for that one could possibly be classified as anything other than, "No, but she's supposed to be a sex object!" given how early the hatred came in toward that. Actually for that matter along that same line, High Guardian Spice and how from a single preview image and the mention of a production staff helmed by women, people completely lost their minds. These are the same people who threw a temper tantrum over Skarlet's new design in MK11, which I think looks fantastic AND is infinitely more attractive if that's what you're into, then that silly, unimaginative bikini they had her in back in MK9.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:16:43 GMT -5
I'd actually like to shift away from Captain Marvel and to something else - She-Ra and the massive uproar that got over having a muscular 16-year-old girl who grew up as part of a military actually look like a muscular 16-year-old girl instead of being some goddess with giant breasts. Like right from the word go, before there was anything to go off of beyond a plot synopsis and some pictures, you had people declaring the series He-Ra or She-Man, Photoshopping it to take out her long hair, and all kinds of other shit, pretty much a ton of vitriol built up immediately over... a pretty routine character design shift in a reboot as you'd see in pretty much any of the other 8,000 reboots announced every day. Like, I don't know how the hate for that one could possibly be classified as anything other than, "No, but she's supposed to be a sex object!" given how early the hatred came in toward that. Actually for that matter along that same line, High Guardian Spice and how from a single preview image and the mention of a production staff helmed by women, people completely lost their minds. Yeah. Absolute nonsense. It was also like...a perfect example of what Brie Larson was actually talking about in that interview she got shit for. Like, I'm a 32 year old dude. She-Ra does not exist for me. Who cares what I think of it? (That said, that new She-Ra cartoon freaking rules and everyone should watch it)
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Post by thechase on Oct 27, 2019 13:16:58 GMT -5
I didn't like Captain Marvel much and can't stand Brie Larson because I think she's an unlikable black hole of charisma, but it's frustrating because I basically have to be on her side anyways because that's where the line in the sand was drawn since the world is full of utter manchildren who cannot deal with strong female characters and squall like infants about it being "blatantly forced" any time a main character isn't a straight dude. Since we all know how hard they have it. Not only do a lot of these men have perfectly healthy relationships, there are women who have argued these same points too. Don't mistake assumption for knowledge. You don't know these people.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:17:28 GMT -5
I'd actually like to shift away from Captain Marvel and to something else - She-Ra and the massive uproar that got over having a muscular 16-year-old girl who grew up as part of a military actually look like a muscular 16-year-old girl instead of being some goddess with giant breasts. Like right from the word go, before there was anything to go off of beyond a plot synopsis and some pictures, you had people declaring the series He-Ra or She-Man, Photoshopping it to take out her long hair, and all kinds of other shit, pretty much a ton of vitriol built up immediately over... a pretty routine character design shift in a reboot as you'd see in pretty much any of the other 8,000 reboots announced every day. Like, I don't know how the hate for that one could possibly be classified as anything other than, "No, but she's supposed to be a sex object!" given how early the hatred came in toward that. Actually for that matter along that same line, High Guardian Spice and how from a single preview image and the mention of a production staff helmed by women, people completely lost their minds. These are the same people who threw a temper tantrum over Skarlet's new design in MK11, which I think looks fantastic AND is infinitely more attractive if that's what you're into, then that silly, unimaginative bikini they had her in back in MK9. They've thrown a fit over every woman's design in MK11. Like, it's still ongoing, like how apparently putting in the MK2 outfits with Sindel doesn't count as classic ones and they need to put in the 9 ones for it to really count as a throwback. Admittedly I don't really like Skarlet's hooded look personally, but her other attires in 11 look genuinely great. Hell of a lot better than the red floss she called clothes in 9.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 27, 2019 13:18:54 GMT -5
The only thing that wigged me out about Netflix She-Ra's art style is the eyebrows. And that's for all the human characters, not just Adora. But that's just the art style for the show in general.
It got bad enough that JMS, one of the creators of the 80's She-Ra show, had to come out and say that he never intended his designs for Adora/She-Ra to be sexual in nature either and called out the people getting up in arms about Netflix She-Ra.
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Post by thechase on Oct 27, 2019 13:22:57 GMT -5
I don't have a lot of time for Marvel movies, their success mystifies me See, I just don't get how blockbuster movies being successful would mystify people. Like, people can be cynical about how they're made or not find them to be quality pictures, but their reasons for success should be obvious. It's not so much the box office success that mystifies me, it's the notion these films should be shielded from mass criticism at all costs. Look at the recent Coppola/Scorhsese/Aniston debacle.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 27, 2019 13:23:42 GMT -5
I don't like superman because he's overpowered, captain marvel is much the same but with no kryptonite to give anybody else a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:24:27 GMT -5
See, I just don't get how blockbuster movies being successful would mystify people. Like, people can be cynical about how they're made or not find them to be quality pictures, but their reasons for success should be obvious. It's not so much the box office success that mystifies me, it's the notion these films are critic-proof. Eh, why would it bother you what someone says about movies you don't like?
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Post by Chiral on Oct 27, 2019 13:29:03 GMT -5
Welp, this is goin exactly the way I figured it would.
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Post by thechase on Oct 27, 2019 13:30:06 GMT -5
It's not so much the box office success that mystifies me, it's the notion these films are critic-proof. Eh, why would it bother you what someone says about movies you don't like? I edited my post a bit more to elaborate...but it's the absurd militant, almost cult-like way MCU fanboys insist that people not decry these movies for any reason. Passion is one thing, but don't take it personally or make it personal, and that's what they do, they try to vilify you or, in the case of professionals saying the same thing, try to diminish or undervalue their credentials.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 27, 2019 13:32:30 GMT -5
Many were probably indoctrinated into a hateful organization at a young age. Wrong. It was this: And this
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