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Post by thetower52 on Oct 27, 2019 13:33:07 GMT -5
There sexist tiny weiners can’t Handel it.
I don’t love captain marvel but I enjoyed it once she got to earth
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Post by agent817 on Oct 27, 2019 13:34:56 GMT -5
The same could be said about giving characters a "race-lift." Even though a lot of crybabies online say that they are not not sexist or racist, their comments say otherwise.
Ghostbusters 2016 aside, because I don't want to get into it, I remember people bitched about Oceans 8, then you had other movies with female leads. I even remember people saying two things about Widows, whether it was about a heist film with women, as if it has never been done before (Even the trailer reminded me of Set It Off when I saw it). The other thing people complained about was Viola Davis's character being married to Liam Neeson's character, as for some reason, the double-standard of black and white interracial relationships still exists sadly (With black men and white women being sort of acceptable, but white men and black women still getting the short end of the stick). It's a topic for another day about the latter, but still.
Also, action films with female leads is far from anything new. I mentioned Set It Off just now, but does anybody remember The Long Kiss Goodnight? A very underrated action film, in my opinion. I also feel that Salt and Colombiana were pretty underrated. I know some people complained about the Charlie's Angels film that's coming out, but I bet that because the late 1990s-early-2000s was a simpler time, we didn't have to read or hear men cry about those films coming out at that time. The internet wasn't known for crybabies losing their shit at the time. That's not the case for the 2019 version, which I am open to watching.
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Post by thechase on Oct 27, 2019 13:34:57 GMT -5
There sexist tiny weiners can’t Handel it. Again, you do know women have had the same criticisms right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:38:09 GMT -5
Eh, why would it bother you what someone says about movies you don't like? I edited my post a bit more to elaborate...but it's the absurd militant, almost cult-like way MCU fanboys insist that people not decry these movies for any reason. Passion is one thing, but don't take it personally or make it personal, and that's what they do, they try to vilify you or, in the case of professionals saying the same thing, try to diminish or undervalue their credentials. Well, if you criticize something, you'll likely get criticized back. I don't care either way and Scorsese and Coppola are fantastic directors but they aren't above reproach. If you call out a movie and say it isn't a movie or say a movie is a crash grab when, in Coppola's case, you literally said that you made a movie (Godfather 3) expressly for making money to fuel things like a wine company, then you're going to get criticized. It's part of the territory. That said, like any other criticism, Scorsese and Coppola shouldn't lose sleep over it and neither should people like James Gunn. Everyone has a right to their opinion. Just that fans on both sides can go too far.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 27, 2019 13:40:18 GMT -5
Welp, this is goin exactly the way I figured it would.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:40:24 GMT -5
The same could be said about giving characters a "race-lift." An example that particularly annoys me there was all the complaints about Johnny being black in Fant4stic pretty much completely buried the far more objectionable aspect of that where Sue was still white clearly just so they could avoid having an interracial romance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:40:45 GMT -5
There sexist tiny weiners can’t Handel it. Which is even funnier because the uploader misspelled Handel.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 27, 2019 13:42:16 GMT -5
If Coppola and Scorsese just said "I think the movies suck," I wouldn't have any problems with it. If anything, I'd be interested in seeing how one of these great directors would do an in-depth critique of one of the better Marvel movies. My entire problem with them is dismissing the entire slate of movies as not art, as it comes off as elitist, pretentious snobbery. This is a principles thing for me more than thinking the Marvel movies are beyond reproach, because I think there have been a lot of mediocre or outright bad movies in the MCU.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 27, 2019 13:48:11 GMT -5
Blinding insecurity, an unrestricted tool to voice toxic views, refusal to accept differing opinions, and extremely disturbing senses of superiority and entitlement are a bad combination.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:48:58 GMT -5
If Coppola and Scorsese just said "I think the movies suck," I wouldn't have any problems with it. If anything, I'd be interested in seeing how one of these great directors would do an in-depth critique of one of the better Marvel movies. My entire problem with them is dismissing the entire slate of movies as not art, as it comes off as elitist, pretentious snobbery. This is a principal thing for me more than thinking the Marvel movies are beyond reproach, because I think there have been a lot of mediocre or outright bad movies in the MCU. Pretty much. Are the Marvel movies incredible art? From an effects perspective maybe, and Black Panther has a case, but beyond that, no, not really, other than maybe what an incredible undertaking plotting these to be a (mostly) coherent connected narrative must have been. But it's stupid to try to claim they're not film or to act like they're dragging the genre down, especially given the first ever superhero movie was made in goddamn 1951.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Oct 27, 2019 13:50:24 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't expect this thread to blow up like it did.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 27, 2019 13:52:23 GMT -5
The same could be said about giving characters a "race-lift." Can it be justified when they got Scarlet Johansson to play Major Kusanagi in Ghost In The Shell? Wow, I didn't expect this thread to blow up like it did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 14:00:10 GMT -5
The same could be said about giving characters a "race-lift." Can it be justified when they got Scarlet Johansson to play Major Kusanagi in Ghost In The Shell? That particular case is admittedly kind of sketchy given the creator said he doesn't care, but in general I feel like - coming from a white man here - there's a big difference between turning someone white and turning someone another race, because for so many years in entertainment white was the default state of being. You pretty much need to do race swaps, and retcons like Nightwing being Romani, to get anywhere close to having minority heroes make any sort of dent in the industry.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Oct 27, 2019 14:10:54 GMT -5
Maybe it’s a generational thing. I say that because I grew up on movies like Aliens, Terminator, Friday the 13th, Halloween and Nightmare on Elm Street where strong women would end up defeating overpowering monsters. Everyone I knew loved those movies. These were all franchises. We loved many of those sequels too. We thought leads like Ripley and Sarah Connor were cool. I don’t recall anyone treating them like eye candy either. Many of those movies were addictive. We’d watch them over and over again. I can’t remember anyone having a problem with a female being the hero.
Maybe people just didn’t enjoy Captain Marvel and they decided to tear it down any way they can because that’s so easy to do in this day and age with the internet. There are plenty of hateful people out there. Then there are a lot of trolls too. Idk. If I like a movie I like it. If I don’t then I don’t.
A lot of Marvel movies just don’t have that rewatchability factor to them for me. I’ll watch the original Iron Man again before I’d want to watch Captain Marvel again. I’d also watch Aliens before I’d want to watch The Chronicles of Riddick. It’s all about quality for me. I don’t feel a need to attack a movie I don’t care much for. I just watch something else.
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Post by thechase on Oct 27, 2019 14:20:42 GMT -5
Maybe it’s a generational thing. I say that because I grew up on movies like Aliens, Terminator, Friday the 13th, Halloween and Nightmare on Elm Street where strong women would end up defeating overpowering monsters. Everyone I knew loved those movies. These were all franchises. We loved many of those sequels too. We thought leads like Ripley and Sarah Connor were cool. I don’t recall anyone treating them like eye candy either. Many of those movies were addictive. We’d watch them over and over again. I can’t remember anyone having a problem with a female being the hero. Very true, we all grew up on strong female-led movies and tv shows, but they didn't go out of their way to demean men, there was true equality in all of them. There wasn't any overbearing social commentary on gender either. As I said earlier in the thread, I recently saw Terminator Dark Fate, which has three female leads, and enjoyed it. Is there a problem I had with it? Yeah, in one scene and one scene only, the plot took precipice over the agenda-pushing/social commentary, it was a fair popcorn romp and it gives the franchise renewed energy. I disagree with anyone critiquing all of it bar the one issue I had that took a jab at the significance of motherhood. But because I think there is some kind of agenda at play with a lot of the other movies, I and others, are accused of being an "exhibit a" sexist with an erectile dysfunction. Classy. Real classy. Let's not forget some of the people I've seen with the same critiques of these movies and the agenda happen to be female and gender-fluid also.
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Post by Paul on Oct 27, 2019 14:31:07 GMT -5
If you get your idea of what a strong woman is from a mainstream movie, then you need to spend less time at the movies and more time with actual women who do actual brave things in the real world.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 15:11:44 GMT -5
The Scarlett Johannson thing drives me nuts because it could have been used as part of the damn film. A crucial part of it is that they stole this woman's real identity, giving her a goddamn race lift against her will only adds to that.
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Post by Jiren on Oct 27, 2019 15:25:14 GMT -5
I don't hate movies with empowered women.
I hate BAD movies with empowered women (Craptain Marvel).
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 27, 2019 15:28:58 GMT -5
I don't hate movies with empowered women. I hate BAD movies with empowered women (Craptain Marvel). Then shouldn't that just be hating bad movies? What's the empowered women got to do with it?
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 27, 2019 15:32:10 GMT -5
The thread question is loaded.
There are indeed sexist twats out there who are bigots, no doubt, and they use prominent movies to raise their own profiles on social media, but studios and their sycophants in the media also amplify those bigots as a means of smearing legit critics of their films. The movies that claim to be empowering, woke, progressive etc... towards women really aren't. It's just a marketing strategy, which often marginalises much stronger female characters that pre-date them by decades. For example, Ghostbusters 2016 wasn't a feminist statement. It was just a shitty remake with four female characters who were piss poor in comparison to Dana and Janine in the original movies, and when faced with criticism of a bad movie, the studio didn't want to face up to their own failures.
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