Chiral
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Post by Chiral on Dec 4, 2019 22:28:24 GMT -5
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Perd
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Post by Perd on Dec 4, 2019 22:37:34 GMT -5
Someone needs to introduce Kofi to the “I wasn’t ready” defense.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 4, 2019 23:11:40 GMT -5
I mean, it seems like the right time for Kofi to do something about it is the Rumble.
He can talk about how the time for Rumble moments is over and it’s time to finally win the damn thing and then go to Mania and defeat the Fiend with the Power of Positivity.
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Post by Malcolm on Dec 4, 2019 23:46:53 GMT -5
Just do what I do in every recent shitty situation involving Brock Lesnar: blame Brock Lesnar.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 23:47:43 GMT -5
I mean, it seems like the right time for Kofi to do something about it is the Rumble. He can talk about how the time for Rumble moments is over and it’s time to finally win the damn thing and then go to Mania and defeat the Fiend with the Power of Positivity. The Fiend vs. Kofi Kingston writes itself... so The Fiend vs. Roman Reigns it is.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Dec 4, 2019 23:53:00 GMT -5
Yeah this comes off as throwing in the towel to me. That's a shame.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 4, 2019 23:57:47 GMT -5
I mean, Hogan cried like a big ol hoe when he lost his title, lmao. Granted, that bordered on the absurd but at least you saw how much it affected dude.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 5, 2019 0:38:46 GMT -5
Translation: “I been in this company 11 years, I don’t give a f*** about fighting about this shit”
I still like the dude and respect him just getting his money. Just super disappointing as somebody who wanted him to get another chance.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 5, 2019 1:09:56 GMT -5
I mean, it seems like the right time for Kofi to do something about it is the Rumble. He can talk about how the time for Rumble moments is over and it’s time to finally win the damn thing and then go to Mania and defeat the Fiend with the Power of Positivity. The Fiend vs. Kofi Kingston writes itself... so The Fiend vs. Roman Reigns it is. If the Fiend beats Kofi he gets back the Jamaican accent
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 5, 2019 2:03:29 GMT -5
Wouldn't the easiest, best way to recoup Kofi's loss is have Kofi be angry... at himself? Yes, Kofi got caught. Yes, Lesnar beat Kofi clean. But Kofi can still be angry at himself for allowing himself to get caught, he can motivate himself to wrestle smarter and harder, he can set about climbing to the #1 contender spot so he can redeem himself in his own eyes, by getting a rematch, after his complete and total dumbass moment.
I haven't watched WWE in almost 5 years, and I came up with this idea in 30 seconds just now. How hard is it to book such a storyline? I get Kofi's "pin me, pay me" shoot mentality, but being a top guy probably nets you more money per year than being in the tag team division does.
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Post by doinkmark on Dec 5, 2019 2:07:59 GMT -5
Kofi spewing that company BS I see. If these characters aren't effected when they lose, then why should the audience care who wins? Then why should we watch the show?
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Post by jivesoulbrah on Dec 5, 2019 2:12:38 GMT -5
Honestly with that attitude he should NEVER be the main champion again. Talk about the “brass ring” quote from years ago, this is exactly why. You lost the one thing you worked many years for in seconds, any human would be DEVASTATED.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 5, 2019 2:12:46 GMT -5
It's so counterintuitive that this is the company line, because the only thing it does is make the championship not seem like a big deal.
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Post by doinkmark on Dec 5, 2019 2:19:20 GMT -5
Kofi's character can still be about the Power Of Positivity and respond to the Brock loss. He doesn't have to be unjustly mad. It's a pretty simple promo actually.
Kofi comes out frowning, his head hung low.
"Last week on SmackDown on FOX, in this very ring, I lost the WWE championship to Brock Lesnar in 8 seconds. And all week, the WWE UniverseTM has been asking me 'Kofi, what are you gonna do now?' Well, after a loss that bad, there's only one thing I can do...."
Kofi smiles big. "BECOME A 2-TIME WWE CHAMPION!!!"
But nah, let's not even give dude a response promo. Lol.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 5, 2019 2:24:59 GMT -5
There really wasn't much else that could be said here on a company podcast, but it only reinforces the fact to me, that everything Kofi did almost the entire year was pointless if this was to be the end result.
I loved the Mania win, I respect why others would defend the loss ruining the moment for how important it would be for a cultural standpoint, but looking at it from a storyline standpoint, I would kind of be insulted if a moment that was so important to people for a variety of reasons was tossed away so meaninglessly and then followed up with the guy basically going "Oh well, I lost, time for me to go back to the midcard and be happy I'm here", because that's the reality, the character acts like he doesn't care and doesn't give a shit that he lost, doesn't care that the fans are upset he lost, is just now going through old stale New Day beats like nothing happened. It's f***ing insulting, from my perspective.
Kofi's entire character was murdered on the first FOX Smackdown. This isn't Kofi Kingston, WWE Champion, WrestleMania Moment, anymore. This is a shell, and the audience reactions have reflected it. WWE honestly should be ashamed of themselves for how they handled this all to go back to f***ing Lesnar, but WWE and building characters doesn't mix anymore and hasn't for some time, hell, look at how bad they're screwing Lynch up too.
Props to Daniel Bryan who against all odds has made or helped make two of the greatest singular moments of this entire decade, without him, 2010-2019 WWE is a much duller, shittier era, as far as I'm concerned.
But sadly, that's all they are, moments, and that's all they'll continue to be. Moments. Where you don't wanna ask "Then what happened?", because there isn't a story to tell, there's only a moment. If you try and tell the story, it's dissatisfactory, and ends on sour notes that devalue what made the moment special... and you just wanna remember the one moment where it was good. And that's WWE's problem. You're supposed to tell a story, not simply gave a moment. And they lost the ability to do that long ago. It can be done, other companies have more than proven it. Hell, NXT, has proven it. But with how WWE is? With who is in charge? This is the sad realities we get... and given how Bryan and Kofi's Mania wins were fought tooth and nail for? We're LUCKY to get those and that's the really sad part.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 5, 2019 2:31:10 GMT -5
The sad thing is, they could easily explain Kofi not getting a title shot simply by way of no more automatic rematches, and further being locked out by Lesnar quitting Smackdown, making a rematch now impossible, but vowing to take down The Fiend if he gets the chance, while still being proud to represent the tag division in Woods's absence.
Why go for such a midcarder for life response?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 5, 2019 2:34:40 GMT -5
The sad thing is, they could easily explain Kofi not getting a title shot simply by way of no more automatic rematches, and further being locked out by Lesnar quitting Smackdown, making a rematch now impossible, but vowing to take down The Fiend if he gets the chance, while still being proud to represent the tag division in Woods's absence. Why go for such a midcarder for life response? It goes against everything Kofi Kingston is supposed to be is the worst part about this response. Your character for the past year has been grinding for opportunities and proving your worth to everyone after all this time. And after getting it and losing it your response is now... "Oh well, at least I got it right? No point in trying anymore" It's just... INSULTING, to hear that, especially for the people who pulled for you so much and wanted to see you succeed, this is like "Follow your dreams, keep fighting for them, and if you achieve them, and lose them, don't bother trying to attain them again, give up", like it's a really f***ed up way of thinking and that's what this situation really boils down to. Imagine a kid watching that, and kids DID watch that, that's such a shit thing to tell them whether you intended to or not.
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Post by Andee9001 on Dec 5, 2019 2:39:59 GMT -5
You know what? It's just bad writing. You can try any bs justifications but it doesn't change the fact it was just bad.
Still as shitty as the ending was i'm glad he got the reign in the first place. Awesome guy.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 5, 2019 3:09:44 GMT -5
This is such a difficult matter to respond to for me because, at the same time, I want to be:
A) Happy that he won the thing in the first place, especially in such a great match at WrestleMania. You know, "Better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all" and all that B) Annoyed that he doesn't seem to want to try and get another world title, especially after the way it ended... Which may come to back to the "Better to have loved" quote, at least from his perspective
In kayfabe, Kingston f***ed up. Simple. From there, you own up to your mistakes and get back on the horse, especially as the good guy of the narrative. Shit happens. Hell, go back to the tag division after that, there's no shame in it (as much as many seem to want to say otherwise). You'd probably have been back there regardless as soon as Woods went down. But at least show some hunger to get back to that peak down the line, like. It's just so weird that they've seemingly refused to address the matter on TV. But that's not just on Kingston, pretty much nobody is concerned about world titles when Lesnar's holding one. Mysterio was more fighting for his own revenge than getting the world title. Velasquez was more fighting for Mysterio's revenge than getting the world title.
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Post by Ryushinku on Dec 5, 2019 3:49:35 GMT -5
I hope he still does retain some anger about it, and it is playing the official "I'm a good soldier for the company" line.
While the way it ended did him a huge disservice, he could be champ a second time if he has the drive. I hope so...rather than a one and done.
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