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Post by adamclark52 on Jun 16, 2020 15:10:48 GMT -5
I grew up with the OG trilogy so obviously yes those are my favourites. The prequels came out in my early-20’s and while I knew they weren’t good the only thing that really offended me was Jar-Jar in the first one. But I struggle to find anything out of the last two that I can say I liked.
People ask me what I liked about the Rise of Skywalker and the best I can come up with is Wedges half second cameo.
And I absolutely loved Rogue One and didn’t mind Solo at all.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jun 16, 2020 15:41:31 GMT -5
I grew up with the OG trilogy so obviously yes those are my favourites. The prequels came out in my early-20’s and while I knew they weren’t good the only thing that really offended me was Jar-Jar in the first one. But I struggle to find anything out of the last two that I can say I liked. People ask me what I liked about the Rise of Skywalker and the best I can come up with is Wedges half second cameo. And I absolutely loved Rogue One and didn’t mind Solo at all. I think I first saw the Star Wars OT in like 1997, fell in love with it, then two years later at 10 years old I must of done a LOT of growing up cause my instant reaction to the prequels was “this feels different” and severely lacking in interesting characters/performances. I’ll give TROS the dream Kylo scene. But it’s also one of the only scenes allowed to breathe smh.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 16, 2020 16:54:17 GMT -5
I only recently saw Rise of Skywalker and I have to say it wasn't just one of the worst Star Wars movies I've ever seen , it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen that wasn't like, An Asylum film or Z-grade schlock. And I was a defender of Last Jedi. This movie was just shit in about every category I can think of. Yeah, I didn't like the Last Jedi, but I can at least respect that Rian Johnson made choices with his film: the idea of breaking from the past to try and chart a new course. The problem with that being it's the middle film in a trilogy. The Rise of Skywalker feels so full of course correction, fan service, and studio meddling. When Rey shot lighting from her hands and destroyed that transport I actually laughed out loud. I had a friend actually sink into her chair out of embrassment for this film. Your friend's reaction was exactly mine for when Luke pulled the X-Wing out of the water "Yoda and the Force" played in the background. I actually thought about walking out after that. Could you get any more pitiful and obvious with pandering than that? Taking one of my favorite scenes of the original trilogy, robbing it of all it's wonder, and just laying it in the middle of this movie for no other reason than to scream "Hey, remember that scene! Didn't you love that! You'll love this too!" It's a movie more concerned with being liked, than being compelling. It failed on both counts.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 16, 2020 18:32:01 GMT -5
People ask me what I liked about the Rise of Skywalker and the best I can come up with is Wedges half second cameo. Not only was it a meaningless cameo, it happens less than a minute after his stepson is killed on screen. No reference to the connection AT ALL.
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Post by adamclark52 on Jun 16, 2020 20:41:29 GMT -5
Everyone involved should really be ashamed but it made money so what the f*** do they care?
And they know the next one will still have people lined up
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 17, 2020 5:49:23 GMT -5
Thinking back, I think another reason I've come to at least appreciate what Last Jedi was trying to do a lot more is how that movie at least felt like it was speaking to what I personally saw as Force Awakens' biggest problem: that I was just so sick of the "Rebels vs. Empire" story and wanted Star Wars to try something different. Again, it's also why Last Jedi's ending bugged me; the whole film builds up that Star Wars needs to evolve and change if it's going to continue and thrive as a film franchise 40+ years after its debut, yet the film ends on "It's still light vs. dark, rebels vs. empire", and then Rise of Skywalker goes so far as to resurrect freaking Palpatine.
To bring something back from before, that's probably why I appreciated Red Letter Media's episode of Half in the Bag about these movies more than their Plinkett reviews, which have just gotten insanely nitpicky and pandering to certain bitter sectors of their audience: the Half in the Bag episodes basically revolved around them feeling upset that "Star Wars really has no more stories to tell", and that's the feeling I had from seeing the same conflict presented as the one we got way back in the day, just done over again. Again, Lucas at least tried something different with the prequels...he just did it horribly.
I also do kind of wonder about the age range I'm in for each trilogy. I first saw the originals as a 10 year old, back in 1995, and the prequels began soon after that, so I was still kinda in the right age range for it? Then again, Episodes 2 and 3 came out when I in high school and college, respectively, so maybe I was too out of the mindset that a lot of younger people currently have now, where they like the prequels unironically since they "grew up with them".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 6:41:19 GMT -5
I also do kind of wonder about the age range I'm in for each trilogy. I first saw the originals as a 10 year old, back in 1995, and the prequels began soon after that, so I was still kinda in the right age range for it? Then again, Episodes 2 and 3 came out when I in high school and college, respectively, so maybe I was too out of the mindset that a lot of younger people currently have now, where they like the prequels unironically since they "grew up with them". That's a very underrated point. I was an impressionable wide-eyed kid when 4-6 came out. I was in my complicated yet still decent 20s when 1-3. I'm a jaded 40 year old when 7-9 came out. Oof.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 11:20:43 GMT -5
Here's something..... A deleted sequence from TRoS was going to feature Kylo Ren encountered a being called "The Eye of the Webbish Bog" on Mustafar. Flash forward to this coming December in his Marvel book...... Vader encounters the very same being in the year between ESB and ROTJ.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 17, 2020 16:30:48 GMT -5
I also do kind of wonder about the age range I'm in for each trilogy. I first saw the originals as a 10 year old, back in 1995, and the prequels began soon after that, so I was still kinda in the right age range for it? Then again, Episodes 2 and 3 came out when I in high school and college, respectively, so maybe I was too out of the mindset that a lot of younger people currently have now, where they like the prequels unironically since they "grew up with them". That's a very underrated point. I was an impressionable wide-eyed kid when 4-6 came out. I was in my complicated yet still decent 20s when 1-3. I'm a jaded 40 year old when 7-9 came out. Oof. Here's the thing: I can say similar things about my ages when these movies came out, but that isn't the root issue of my reactions. I LOVED Rogue One. I actually LIKED Solo for the most part. I liked the Rebels cartoon. The Clone Wars cartoon is about 50 shades of awesome. I have not watched all of the Mandalorian yet (it is hard getting my son, my wife, and I all together to watch it), but what I have seen was damned good. Star Wars definitely has good stories to tell. George Lucas' understudy, Dave Filoni, should be given Kevin Feige-levels of control of the Star Wars franchise.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Sept 17, 2020 16:50:59 GMT -5
I also do kind of wonder about the age range I'm in for each trilogy. I first saw the originals as a 10 year old, back in 1995, and the prequels began soon after that, so I was still kinda in the right age range for it? Then again, Episodes 2 and 3 came out when I in high school and college, respectively, so maybe I was too out of the mindset that a lot of younger people currently have now, where they like the prequels unironically since they "grew up with them". That's a very underrated point. I was an impressionable wide-eyed kid when 4-6 came out. I was in my complicated yet still decent 20s when 1-3. I'm a jaded 40 year old when 7-9 came out. Oof. I feel like I can easily go back and watch movies I loved as a kid and judge them without nostalgia goggles. Like Dune. I loved Dune as a kid. I still so, but can acknowledge it is bizarre dogshit in many ways.
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 17, 2020 17:04:06 GMT -5
Reflecting on it 9 months after...my strongest feeling is just disappointment.
And it really did negatively affect my overall opinion of the Sequel Trilogy. I still like The Last Jedi the most, but knowing how inconclusively (or even handwaved) a lot of things from that ended up, it just all feels rather pointless.
It's the only trilogy where seemingly two people with diametrically opposing views created it, and ended up muddling it. The prequels were perhaps too reliant on Lucas, but there's a certain continuity of purpose at least to Episodes I-VI.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Sept 17, 2020 17:11:52 GMT -5
It's been sitting in my Continue Watching queue on Disney+ for a couple monts now; I got about 40 minutes into a rewatch and realized I was completely bored.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Nov 4, 2020 3:08:33 GMT -5
Maybe recent events have me thinking about this, but despite the fact that they aren't good movies, I still think the prequels tell a much better, more timely, and consistently relevant story than what the Disney sequels, despite being better made movies, have offered.
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Post by adamclark52 on Nov 4, 2020 5:05:57 GMT -5
I just watched Rise of Skywalker for the first time since opening weekend and it does not lend itself well to repeat viewings
It was BAD
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Nov 4, 2020 5:42:05 GMT -5
It's amazing how poorly planned the sequels were. I liked all of them to an extent, especially TLJ (I know that's not the most popular take lol), but they're flawed in different ways.
After watching it again on Disney+, TRoS was flat-out a poorly paced fanfic-y film that felt rushed and nonsensical. I thought it was highly entertaining and fun despite this, but it failed in all the important areas of substance. The Knights of Ren were so unbelievably botched (TLJ omitting them entirely did not help matters). I have complicated feelings about this movie, because I liked how it tied things up at the tip top end, I loved seeing The Emperor again, but the aforementioned issues and Carrie dying IRL derailed things. We never got that moment where she confronts Ben Solo, which isn't the fault of the directors or anything, but it still puts a wet blanket on the whole sequel trilogy to be forced to omit that pivotal moment.
Again, enjoyed the sequels for what they were, but my points still remain.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Nov 4, 2020 6:32:25 GMT -5
It's amazing how poorly planned the sequels were. I liked all of them to an extent, especially TLJ (I know that's not the most popular take lol), but they're flawed in different ways. After watching it again on Disney+, TRoS was flat-out a poorly paced fanfic-y film that felt rushed and nonsensical. I thought it was highly entertaining and fun despite this, but it failed in all the important areas of substance. The Knights of Ren were so unbelievably botched (TLJ omitting them entirely did not help matters). I have complicated feelings about this movie, because I liked how it tied things up at the tip top end, I loved seeing The Emperor again, but the aforementioned issues and Carrie dying IRL derailed things. We never got that moment where she confronts Ben Solo, which isn't the fault of the directors or anything, but it still puts a wet blanket on the whole sequel trilogy to be forced to omit that pivotal moment. Again, enjoyed the sequels for what they were, but my points still remain. I'm hearing a lot of love lately for TLJ. There is a podcast I am currently listening to where they ask the guests to rank the Star Wars franchise. TLJ has ranked high on most lists, even getting the top spot. TFA also usually ranks pretty well. Most peoples rationale is that TFA was good to kind of reset the Star Wars movies, being something familiar. And TLJ was going new directions and doing something new.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 4, 2020 12:45:47 GMT -5
Maybe recent events have me thinking about this, but despite the fact that they aren't good movies, I still think the prequels tell a much better, more timely, and consistently relevant story than what the Disney sequels, despite being better made movies, have offered. I saw this thread bumped and got a chill down my spine, I Was Having Such A Good Day. But this is damn spot on. Coming from a kid in the 90s that fell in love w/ the OT, hated and balked at the prequels, and really was digging the Disney Trilogy (until TLJ), prequels absolutely win against the DT on technicality alone of being a coherent logical story. Despite being worse in pretty much every way SMH. I could only watch TROS once. Tried a second time and good god.
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Post by adamclark52 on Nov 4, 2020 14:32:17 GMT -5
Rise of Skywalker was basically a bunch of kids playing Star Wars, with a $250 million dollar budget.
And I’ve realized the Last Jedi would work if they’d laid the new Star Wars movies out like the Marvel movies, just movies connected. But it had to be a trilogy and a trilogy needs a defined beginning, middle and end. The new one had a beginning then it went off the rails.
That said the Last Jedi is still absolute garbage for so many other reasons.
So after watching all the Star Wars movies in order my opinions have changed a little. Revenge of the Sith Was a lot better than I remembered. I’m going to say that (thanks to George Lucas’ incessant tinkering) it’s even better than Return of the Jedi. If the original version of Return of the Jedi was released again it would take its spot back. Solo was a little worse than I remembered. Maybe not “worse” but it’s just not something to watch very often. And I’m not sure I’m ready to accept it yet but Rogue One may be the best. The final act certainly is the best part of the entire series.
My new rankings: 1a. The Empire Strikes Back 1b. Rogue One 3. A New Hope 4. Revenge of the Sith 5. Return of the Jedi 6. Solo 7. The Force Awakens 8. The Phantom Menace 9. Attack of the Clones 10. The Last Jedi 11. Rise of Skywalker
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 4, 2020 14:45:56 GMT -5
And I’ve realized the Last Jedi would work if they’d laid the new Star Wars movies out like the Marvel movies, just movies connected. But it had to be a trilogy and a trilogy needs a defined beginning, middle and end. The new one had a beginning then it went off the rails. That said the Last Jedi is still absolute garbage for so many other reasons. I'm really glad you said these two lines. I'm in agreement with both. If the Last Jedi was a stand alone non-trilogy movie that basically was showing the state of that galaxy at the time, it could have worked.The First Order being the overall power, finding and destroying the HQ of the Resistance, with the Resistance barely surviving but finding their "new hope". The "basics" of the movie works well. In fact after saying that, I think the overall story of TLJ could have worked better if it was flipped with TFA. Basically "Trilogy opens with the New Empire hunting down the end of the Resistance. Luke Skywalker makes his final stand. The Resistance gets a spark of Hope and they eventually take down Starkiller Base. With their main weapon destroyed, the Empire goes to it's last ditch effort of Palpatine's Final Order. The end." But the movie has so many problems that trying to morph it into a stand alone movie would be redoing the majority of the movie. It would take a "SNYDER CUT TIMES TWO" to save TLJ.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 15:04:43 GMT -5
And I’ve realized the Last Jedi would work if they’d laid the new Star Wars movies out like the Marvel movies, just movies connected. But it had to be a trilogy and a trilogy needs a defined beginning, middle and end. The new one had a beginning then it went off the rails. That said the Last Jedi is still absolute garbage for so many other reasons. I'm really glad you said these two lines. I'm in agreement with both. If the Last Jedi was a stand alone non-trilogy movie that basically was showing the state of that galaxy at the time, it could have worked.The First Order being the overall power, finding and destroying the HQ of the Resistance, with the Resistance barely surviving but finding their "new hope". The "basics" of the movie works well. In fact after saying that, I think the overall story of TLJ could have worked better if it was flipped with TFA. Basically "Trilogy opens with the New Empire hunting down the end of the Resistance. Luke Skywalker makes his final stand. The Resistance gets a spark of Hope and they eventually take down Starkiller Base. With their main weapon destroyed, the Empire goes to it's last ditch effort of Palpatine's Final Order. The end." But the movie has so many problems that trying to morph it into a stand alone movie would be redoing the majority of the movie. It would take a "SNYDER CUT TIMES TWO" to save TLJ. I swear there was a point during TLJ's pre-production where it wasn't definitive that it would only be a trilogy. The initial idea of each film being "given" to a different filmmaker (with few huge ties to the previous chapter - which was a big reason why Treverrow was booted) seems to imply that they wanted a string of movies that would have to expand beyond the 3-part story model. However we Star Wars fans hear "new Star Wars movies!" and we immediately think "trilogy" and I guess the fix was in as to how the fanbase would react to a string of (essentially) open-ended movies about these new kids. In the end, they bring JJ back to do essentially what Treverrow was doing & fired for: connect back to TFA and end the story.
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