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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 3:39:58 GMT -5
I think the big problem with having Cena get #17 at this point is that he's even less present than Lesnar is, so he'd either need to promptly f*** off with the belt for an eternity (which is a trend this company desperately needs to get out of) or he'd need to lose it almost immediately therefore rendering the whole thing basically pointless.
Granted if Goldberg wins the belt much the same's going to happen, but at least it's just Elimination Chamber coming up and that kind of sells itself. Even if that show is looking exceptionally like a waste of time right now between the Shayna Baszler Sizzle Reel Match and the way the WWE and Raw Women's titles are going to have no presence on it and the SmackDown Women's title is completely useless.
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Post by Rican on Feb 24, 2020 9:08:38 GMT -5
Bray vs Cena makes sense considering The Fiends whole thing of going after people who have wronged Bray, but I can’t say I’m terribly excited about it. Especially if it means him losing to Goldberg
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 24, 2020 9:15:23 GMT -5
I’d be fine with Fiend against Cena if it wasn’t for the title and the end result was Fiend absolutely demolishing Cena and looking strong.
Reigns v Goldberg I guess makes sense. Nobody is going to be able to “carry” Goldberg at this point whether he fight Reigns or Ricochet
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 24, 2020 9:15:23 GMT -5
I’d be fine with Fiend against Cena if it wasn’t for the title and the end result was Fiend absolutely demolishing Cena and looking strong.
Reigns v Goldberg I guess makes sense. Nobody is going to be able to “carry” Goldberg at this point whether he fight Reigns or Ricochet
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 9:24:08 GMT -5
Per Dave Meltzer on today's episode of Wrestling Observer Radio: *Bray Wyatt vs. Roman Reigns is no longer the plan for WrestleMania, speculates it may be Goldberg vs. Roman Reigns with Goldberg winning on Thursday. *Wyatt will face John Cena instead, with the Cena/Elias match being scrapped. *Bayley vs. Naomi was the plan for WrestleMania, but that's been moved to Thursday. No word on who Bayley will face at WrestleMania (maybe Sasha?) *Most of the planned matches on the SmackDown side have changed recently. Every word in this original post is almost complete madness. Is it like that to those of you here who are still watching and closely following too?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 24, 2020 9:29:38 GMT -5
Per Dave Meltzer on today's episode of Wrestling Observer Radio: *Bray Wyatt vs. Roman Reigns is no longer the plan for WrestleMania, speculates it may be Goldberg vs. Roman Reigns with Goldberg winning on Thursday. *Wyatt will face John Cena instead, with the Cena/Elias match being scrapped. *Bayley vs. Naomi was the plan for WrestleMania, but that's been moved to Thursday. No word on who Bayley will face at WrestleMania (maybe Sasha?) *Most of the planned matches on the SmackDown side have changed recently. Every word in this original post is almost complete madness. Is it like that to those of you here who are still watching and closely following too? I wish SmackDown was this mad. It’s insanely bland and safe at the moment.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 24, 2020 10:11:12 GMT -5
Every word in this original post is almost complete madness. Is it like that to those of you here who are still watching and closely following too? I wish SmackDown was this mad. It’s insanely bland and safe at the moment. Not going to lie, I'm fine with all of those original planned matches being scrapped. I have no interest in seeing Roman/Bray as it sucked the other 8 million times they fought and I'm sure it would again even with one them having a different character. I like Elias but him as a WrestleMania opponent for Cena is very underwhelming especially factoring in that it's Cena's return match after over a year away. Naomi/Bayley just simply isn't a worthy WrestleMania title match at this point unless it's on the pre show. If this report is true I'm liking the changed card a lot better. Goldberg and Roman has never happened and is kind of a natural match up with them both doing the spear. Fiend is more worthy then Elias and it fits with Fiend primarily targeting legends. There really isn't any interesting options for Bayley but I would take her against Sasha or Lacey or some kind of multi women over her against Naomi.
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Post by sunnytaker on Feb 24, 2020 10:17:20 GMT -5
Goldberg winning titles in 3 decades while spending the majority of said decades doing anything but wrestling would be such a Chad move. If Goldberg wins this Thursday, he would've won World Championships in 4 Decades (1998, 2003, 2017, 2020?? ) "2030... YOU'RE NEXT!"
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 24, 2020 10:33:05 GMT -5
I just want it to sink in that if The Fiend loses to Goldberg at Super Showdown, we will have not one, but two world champions in this company who are part timers that rarely show up to acknowledge the feuds they are in, let alone wrestle, and this would be for the most important time of the year for WWE, Mania Season
And then we also have guys like Cena, Taker, and HHH who only wrestle like once a year on average anymore, who could also be in prominant Mania storylines come this time around too
Couple that with the fact that they continue to fall back on the same acts of the past few years like Roman for big matches, Edge vs Orton might be the most interesting build of the entire Mania season, there are basically no Tag Team Divisons on either brand, The Women's feuds need either an NXT crutch or feel completely lopsided due to Becky's booking, and we might get Bryan vs Sheamus again?? WWE feels like they have been in a feedback loop for the past decade with no signs of pulling out of it.
It just gets worse every year and in kind, their numbers and ratings follow suit. They really think they can just keep doing the same shit and get away with it and I gotta tell ya, I don't see that lasting much longer with how the trends have been.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 24, 2020 10:52:40 GMT -5
I just want it to sink in that if The Fiend loses to Goldberg at Super Showdown, we will have not one, but two world champions in this company who are part timers that rarely show up to acknowledge the feuds they are in, let alone wrestle, and this would be for the most important time of the year for WWE, Mania Season And then we also have guys like Cena, Taker, and HHH who only wrestle like once a year on average anymore, who could also be in prominant Mania storylines come this time around too Couple that with the fact that they continue to fall back on the same acts of the past few years like Roman for big matches, Edge vs Orton might be the most interesting build of the entire Mania season, there are basically no Tag Team Divisons on either brand, The Women's feuds need either an NXT crutch or feel completely lopsided due to Becky's booking, and we might get Bryan vs Sheamus again?? WWE feels like they have been in a feedback loop for the past decade with no signs of pulling out of it. It just gets worse every year and in kind, their numbers and ratings follow suit. They really think they can just keep doing the same shit and get away with it and I gotta tell ya, I don't see that lasting much longer with how the trends have been. The company will be fine. As to some of your statements, using guys who are around less for WrestleMania season is exactly what makes the show more special. There is so much content and so many good matches weekly that you need to use some rarely-used stars for the big shows now. Is using NXT really a “crutch” or is it still WWE? Becky vs. Shayna won’t be good because of Becky’s booking? I’m fairly confident Shayna will actually win the title from her. Smackdown doesn’t have a tag division? New Day, Usos, Miz/Morrison, Revival are four of the best teams in the company and will probably have a banger at Mania.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 24, 2020 11:58:01 GMT -5
I just want it to sink in that if The Fiend loses to Goldberg at Super Showdown, we will have not one, but two world champions in this company who are part timers that rarely show up to acknowledge the feuds they are in, let alone wrestle, and this would be for the most important time of the year for WWE, Mania Season And then we also have guys like Cena, Taker, and HHH who only wrestle like once a year on average anymore, who could also be in prominant Mania storylines come this time around too Couple that with the fact that they continue to fall back on the same acts of the past few years like Roman for big matches, Edge vs Orton might be the most interesting build of the entire Mania season, there are basically no Tag Team Divisons on either brand, The Women's feuds need either an NXT crutch or feel completely lopsided due to Becky's booking, and we might get Bryan vs Sheamus again?? WWE feels like they have been in a feedback loop for the past decade with no signs of pulling out of it. It just gets worse every year and in kind, their numbers and ratings follow suit. They really think they can just keep doing the same shit and get away with it and I gotta tell ya, I don't see that lasting much longer with how the trends have been. The company will be fine. As to some of your statements, using guys who are around less for WrestleMania season is exactly what makes the show more special. There is so much content and so many good matches weekly that you need to use some rarely-used stars for the big shows now. Is using NXT really a “crutch” or is it still WWE? Becky vs. Shayna won’t be good because of Becky’s booking? I’m fairly confident Shayna will actually win the title from her. Smackdown doesn’t have a tag division? New Day, Usos, Miz/Morrison, Revival are four of the best teams in the company and will probably have a banger at Mania. The company isn't fine though, and the ratings and fans have been leaving more and more every year, they just fired pretty important people for what felt like no reason, there is a lot of uncertainty about PPVs and their Network, just a whole bunch of shit that points to them not being fine. Will it KILL them? I didn't say that, but this isn't helping. I don't know what you're seeing when you see "So many good matches weekly" but that isn't an excuse for all of the Nostalgia Acts bloating the Mania Card. I could get one or two but this is now bleeding into all the MAIN MANIA STORYLINES for the feuds and will not be followed up on really post Mania. Mania is when a lot of casual viewers and even new viewers tune in, if you give them old acts as a majority of your presentation, it leaves a lot to be desired as why you should watch every week when the guys who are there wrestling every week aren't really a main event fixture on the biggest show of the year outside of a few. The NXT Women are being used as a crutch because WWE's Women's rosters are so stagnant right now. Ripley is being used to help prop up the cards and the names because Bayley's about staring down the barrel of the preshow. Becky's booking has undercut the feud so far because Becky's been superman pushed and is underselling Shayna at every turn right now. Yes, it will work out if Shayna wins the belt, but she has to win. And if she doesn't? That really is gonna suck. And we're not gonna act like WWE gives any sort of a shit about the tag division. New Day and Usos while they have good matches have been done to death over and over, Miz and Morrison have not been treated like a big deal, especially Morrison since coming back, and Revival have one foot out the door. This isn't a current issue though, for some reason, WWE just stops caring about the tag divisions come Mania season, they always seem shallow or like afterthoughts for Mania, maybe it's because of how the storylines play out, but it's common. Overall, if you're excited or don't mind, that's cool, but I see a lot of glaring issues, mainly, Mania season should be the most exciting time for WWE and they feel like they're on autopilot for it, especially this year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 12:22:22 GMT -5
That all sounds like trash. Damn, this card is looking like it's going to end up being spectacularly lame. None of the confirmed, rumored, or inevitable matches sound remotely interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 12:24:15 GMT -5
I really don't see a snowballs's chance in hell Shayna wins at Mania. She's the only person who's gotten any kind of leg up on Becky since Mania so she's being used as the challenger because no one else has been allowed to; post-Mania they'll move over Bayley or something and hope that feuding with Becky can get someone to give a shit about her.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 24, 2020 12:36:05 GMT -5
The company will be fine. As to some of your statements, using guys who are around less for WrestleMania season is exactly what makes the show more special. There is so much content and so many good matches weekly that you need to use some rarely-used stars for the big shows now. Is using NXT really a “crutch” or is it still WWE? Becky vs. Shayna won’t be good because of Becky’s booking? I’m fairly confident Shayna will actually win the title from her. Smackdown doesn’t have a tag division? New Day, Usos, Miz/Morrison, Revival are four of the best teams in the company and will probably have a banger at Mania. The company isn't fine though, and the ratings and fans have been leaving more and more every year, they just fired pretty important people for what felt like no reason, there is a lot of uncertainty about PPVs and their Network, just a whole bunch of shit that points to them not being fine. Will it KILL them? I didn't say that, but this isn't helping. I don't know what you're seeing when you see "So many good matches weekly" but that isn't an excuse for all of the Nostalgia Acts bloating the Mania Card. I could get one or two but this is now bleeding into all the MAIN MANIA STORYLINES for the feuds and will not be followed up on really post Mania. Mania is when a lot of casual viewers and even new viewers tune in, if you give them old acts as a majority of your presentation, it leaves a lot to be desired as why you should watch every week when the guys who are there wrestling every week aren't really a main event fixture on the biggest show of the year outside of a few. The NXT Women are being used as a crutch because WWE's Women's rosters are so stagnant right now. Ripley is being used to help prop up the cards and the names because Bayley's about staring down the barrel of the preshow. Becky's booking has undercut the feud so far because Becky's been superman pushed and is underselling Shayna at every turn right now. Yes, it will work out if Shayna wins the belt, but she has to win. And if she doesn't? That really is gonna suck. And we're not gonna act like WWE gives any sort of a shit about the tag division. New Day and Usos while they have good matches have been done to death over and over, Miz and Morrison have not been treated like a big deal, especially Morrison since coming back, and Revival have one foot out the door. This isn't a current issue though, for some reason, WWE just stops caring about the tag divisions come Mania season, they always seem shallow or like afterthoughts for Mania, maybe it's because of how the storylines play out, but it's common. Overall, if you're excited or don't mind, that's cool, but I see a lot of glaring issues, mainly, Mania season should be the most exciting time for WWE and they feel like they're on autopilot for it, especially this year. Mania is going to be like a 15-16 match card. The only nostalgia acts that are rumored to be involved are for the Cena-Fiend, Goldberg-Roman, and Taker-Styles feuds. And all of those pit the nostalgic acts against current stars. The “part-timer” Lesnar, who has actually been around quite a bit lately and who I don’t consider a nostalgia act, is also facing a “new” star. The rest of the card doesn’t seem to have nostalgia acts. Edge is signed for 3 years so this won’t be one and done with Orton, there will be followup. As to the women, I wasn’t saying they aren’t using NXT stars , I was saying why is that considered a crutch when NXT is a part of WWE. You can say WWE doesn’t care about the tag team division, but the booking of smack down over the last few years would point to otherwise. The new day and Usos are always featured heavily, just as Miz and Morrison have been recently
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 12:48:55 GMT -5
Every word in this original post is almost complete madness. Is it like that to those of you here who are still watching and closely following too? I wish SmackDown was this mad. It’s insanely bland and safe at the moment. I hadn't realized a few things when I posted earlier.... 1) Bayley/Naomi is being moved to the Saudi PPV, I assumed it was this week on Smackdown (WM36 program burned off on a TV show? oof.) 2) Bray is on Smackdown. Legit forgot that. oof. There was a time "bland and safe" may've been a compliment - hell, it might perfectly describe my first several years as a WWF fan - but now..............not so much..
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Post by sunnytaker on Feb 24, 2020 13:16:17 GMT -5
I really don't see a snowballs's chance in hell Shayna wins at Mania. She's the only person who's gotten any kind of leg up on Becky since Mania so she's being used as the challenger because no one else has been allowed to; post-Mania they'll move over Bayley or something and hope that feuding with Becky can get someone to give a shit about her. dunno. I've heard a rumor that becky and seth are planning to take a break after mania (getting married maybe?) and that becky at least was talking about needing to refresh her character a bit and the time off would help her as far as that goes. so if there's any truth to that I expect her to lose the title at mania to make it a full year give or take a few days as champ and having faced everyone else possible as bazler would be a fresh matchup for the rest of the raw roster. ditto bayley on smackdown. she's gone through everyone but naomi and sasha at this point so I can see naomi winning either at the definitely not in Saudi arabia Saudi show or mania if they do a screwy finish there. granted nxt women's division has better depth than either brand at this point but barring the usual smarkamania RAW callups (Bianca? not sure who else) becky and bayley have run their courses as champ right now
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Feb 24, 2020 13:45:14 GMT -5
if the static stuff on SD is leading to a debuting Killer Kross maybe we get him vs Bryan at WM
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 24, 2020 14:00:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see how any of this shit is exciting. Especially if Brock is in "f*** it" mode, and just loses to a Claymore in ten seconds. Seeing as how Brock likes working with smaller guys these days, this is a possibility.
Goldberg ain't going more than five minutes or so, so a f***ing spear-missed spearfest sounds boring and pointless.
Cena ain't going to be around full time, so giving him a meaningless 17th title reign, while burying Bray sounds pointless as well.
Undertaker better have been sucking stem cells out of fetuses like Christopher Reeve on South Park or something, because his broken down ass isn't going to have a decent or lengthy match with anybody on the roster.
Triple H is the only one who can probably have an ok match, only because his ego won't let him suck out loud on the Mania stage.
But yeah, none of these possible matches or scrapped matches sound good at all. There's so much good shit (yeah, I said it) that you can do with the full time current guys, but no, let's roll out the dinosaurs.
I was a fan of these guys back then, but they should NOT be taking up Wrestlemania spots in Two Thousand and f***ing Twenty, for god's sake. You wanna push Oldberg out there for the Saudi shows or a Money in the Bank or Battleground or whatever ppv? Knock yourself out, but not Mania.
Might as well rename the company WCWWE.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 24, 2020 14:04:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see how any of this shit is exciting. Especially if Brock is in "f*** it" mode, and just loses to a Claymore in ten seconds. Seeing as how Brock likes working with smaller guys these days, this is a possibility. Goldberg ain't going more than five minutes or so, so a f***ing spear-missed spearfest sounds boring and pointless. Cena ain't going to be around full time, so giving him a meaningless 17th title reign, while burying Bray sounds pointless as well. Undertaker better have been sucking stem cells out of fetuses like Christopher Reeve on South Park or something, because his broken down ass isn't going to have a decent or lengthy match with anybody on the roster. Triple H is the only one who can probably have an ok match, only because his ego won't let him suck out loud on the Mania stage. But yeah, none of these possible matches or scrapped matches sound good at all. There's so much good shit (yeah, I said it) that you can do with the full time current guys, but no, let's roll out the dinosaurs. I was a fan of these guys back then, but they should NOT be taking up Wrestlemania spots in Two Thousand and f***ing Twenty, for god's sake. You wanna push Oldberg out there for the Saudi shows or a Money in the Bank or Battleground or whatever ppv? Knock yourself out, but not Mania. Might as well rename the company WCWWE. Most of the full-time guys will still be in featured matches as well. WrestleMania is like 7 hours long.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 24, 2020 14:07:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see how any of this shit is exciting. Especially if Brock is in "f*** it" mode, and just loses to a Claymore in ten seconds. Seeing as how Brock likes working with smaller guys these days, this is a possibility. Goldberg ain't going more than five minutes or so, so a f***ing spear-missed spearfest sounds boring and pointless. Cena ain't going to be around full time, so giving him a meaningless 17th title reign, while burying Bray sounds pointless as well. Undertaker better have been sucking stem cells out of fetuses like Christopher Reeve on South Park or something, because his broken down ass isn't going to have a decent or lengthy match with anybody on the roster. Triple H is the only one who can probably have an ok match, only because his ego won't let him suck out loud on the Mania stage. But yeah, none of these possible matches or scrapped matches sound good at all. There's so much good shit (yeah, I said it) that you can do with the full time current guys, but no, let's roll out the dinosaurs. I was a fan of these guys back then, but they should NOT be taking up Wrestlemania spots in Two Thousand and f***ing Twenty, for god's sake. You wanna push Oldberg out there for the Saudi shows or a Money in the Bank or Battleground or whatever ppv? Knock yourself out, but not Mania. Might as well rename the company WCWWE. Most of the full-time guys will still be in featured matches as well. WrestleMania is like 7 hours long. Mania being that long is yet another problem. It's getting worse, not better.
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