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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 15, 2020 11:07:33 GMT -5
I didn't even get to watch the show yet, what he do this time? I assume he won clean as a sheet
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Post by bigfatpaulie on Oct 15, 2020 11:09:25 GMT -5
I personally think, if the story goes where I think it will, Cody is doing some incredible character work. Going back to that throne-smashing potshot at Triple H, this has been a slow burn towards him becoming more and more like Triple H, more like the man he started the company in opposition to.
Cody set out to create something different with AEW and succeeded at it, and now his character is slowly becoming what the popular perception of Triple H was circa 2003-2010 (and arguably up to present day): an egomaniac that thinks he's above the locker room and above the criticism of the fans. Now that he's conquered Brodie Lee after being manhandled the first time around, he thinks he's immortal and his God complex is going to get worse.
If this is the way it goes, I'm all aboard for this character arc. In his mind, Cody is a huge babyface, hence the babyface speech after the big win. We see little bits and pieces of that not being the case here and there, and over time his actions will prove him to be a very delusional heel.
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Post by Celgress on Oct 15, 2020 11:13:10 GMT -5
I didn't even get to watch the show yet, what he do this time? I assume he won clean as a sheet Nope, it was a draw but in name only. Orange kept reversing most everything Cody tried then pinned him but the twenty-minute time limit literally ran out just before the ref could count three.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 15, 2020 11:16:18 GMT -5
I didn't even get to watch the show yet, what he do this time? I assume he won clean as a sheet Nope, it was a draw but in name only. Orange kept reversing most everything Cody tried then pinned him but the twenty-minute time limit literally ran out just before the ref could count three. That's progress I don't particularly care for Cody but that's the right spot if you're not going to strap up OC. Both keep their heat and another match possibility for later. It's better then the shit before with Cody bleeding and having 15 min matches cause he could.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 15, 2020 11:25:53 GMT -5
Nope, it was a draw but in name only. Orange kept reversing most everything Cody tried then pinned him but the twenty-minute time limit literally ran out just before the ref could count three. That's progress I don't particularly care for Cody but that's the right spot if you're not going to strap up OC. Both keep their heat and another match possibility for later. It's better then the shit before with Cody bleeding and having 15 min matches cause he could. Yeah, Orange is getting a rematch in a couple of weeks. The match between them was solid storytelling and character work between the two, with Orange getting under Cody's skin with his Orange-ness and Cody resorting to more and more heel tactics during the match and going away from Arn's gameplan (much to Arn's chagrin).
Really looking forward to the rematch.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 15, 2020 11:34:05 GMT -5
That's progress I don't particularly care for Cody but that's the right spot if you're not going to strap up OC. Both keep their heat and another match possibility for later. It's better then the shit before with Cody bleeding and having 15 min matches cause he could. Yeah, Orange is getting a rematch in a couple of weeks. The match between them was solid storytelling and character work between the two, with Orange getting under Cody's skin with his Orange-ness and Cody resorting to more and more heel tactics during the match and going away from Arn's gameplan (much to Arn's chagrin).
Really looking forward to the rematch.
I got to watch that later when I get a chance. As good as Cody is as a face, he’s a better heel imo. The facade is starting to crack and that in itself makes him a ton better IMO and OC is the perfect guy to get under his skin
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 15, 2020 11:34:24 GMT -5
It seems to me that he's perfectly set-up for a heel turn. He lost the TNT title once in a brutal fashion, so going forward he should start becoming more obsessed with keeping it by any means necessary until he crosses the line into full-blown heel. Keep the pomp and the "this belt means everything, I'm just a humble good guy" image and it's perfect.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 15, 2020 11:39:34 GMT -5
I have no problem with how Cody indulges in his self-promotion. If you know you’re a good performer, celebrate that. I think he’s getting better and better, and he knows how to present himself like a proper star.
And him (for the moment) stipulating himself out of the world title picture, as opposed to going full Planet Jarrett and dominating everyone, shows me he isn’t a selfish wrestler. His TNT title run is essentially the Cena Us Challenge, he establishes himself as a deadly obstacle but he’s still making the talent he works with look great.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Oct 15, 2020 11:50:05 GMT -5
Jesus dude I was joking. I think you've taken this all a bit too seriously. I think he's joking. Well I hope he's joking because the first post was the pretty cringey in its own right. And I'm saying that as a proud hater of Cody Yes joking 🙃
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 15, 2020 11:52:34 GMT -5
Honestly? They could still have Cody get a big cocky head and start to feel he can’t be touched, while still keeping him a face on paper. Or at least without turning him into a full blown piece of garbage villain.
AEW already has Inner Circle, Dark Order, MJF, and now Team Kingston on the heel end to fill main event slots. Cody is a damn good heel, but because they’ve built him up so well as a standard bearer, all a face needs to do is basically express “I’m the hot new thing and I’m going to beat Cody to be on top” and the heat is already there. The story can also easily be Cody’s temptation to still be number one and fighting the urge to use bad tactics.
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Post by Viking Hall on Oct 15, 2020 16:27:47 GMT -5
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Post by Dang! on Oct 15, 2020 17:04:30 GMT -5
I partially agree with OP. His whole act isn't very likeable for a face. The whole "royal" and "godlike" shit is WAY too reminiscient of Triple H or Jeff Jarrett.
Then again, pro wrestling isn't exactly known for modest and humble silent guys. To be the man you have to be flashy, I gue...GODDAMNIT, CLOSE THAT ROBE, RIC!
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Post by Andy Martin on Oct 15, 2020 17:56:38 GMT -5
I partially agree with OP. His whole act isn't very likeable for a face. The whole "royal" and "godlike" shit is WAY too reminiscient of Triple H or Jeff Jarrett. Then again, pro wrestling isn't exactly known for modest and humble silent guys. To be the man you have to be flashy, I gue...GODDAMNIT, CLOSE THAT ROBE, RIC! WOOOO! SPACE MOUNTAIN IS BACK OF AND RUNNING, LADIES!
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 15, 2020 18:08:46 GMT -5
That being said, if Full Gear ends with ANYTHING but Darby Allin standing tall as the new TNT Champion, it will be a missed opportunity. Cody turning full heel and blatantly screwing over Darby would also be acceptable. That would be a perfect opportunity to bust out a DQ finish in a major match for the first time, Cody just goes savage with a chair or something.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 15, 2020 18:09:56 GMT -5
but he's kinda circumvented that by featuring the TNT title heavily and seemingly booking those feuds to be more important than the AEW title. They're given a lot of time and a lot of care in the writing, which is actually a good thing. A secondary title that is made to be a big deal. But the world title feuds, outside of Cage which I enjoyed, seem to just be like batting practice. Fast set-up, quick pop, and immediately onto the next one. I don't get the feeling that the feuds are 'more important' than the world title at all, both because Moxley is right in the middle of his ongoing feud with Kingston, and because a lot of Cody's defenses have themselves been random weekly challengers stepping up to him. By that token, I'd almost say we'd have to count the tag titles as being bigger for much of the year, due to the long-term development of the Hangman and Omega team having the huge, dramatic matches and interwoven stories with their opponents that they did, with the continuity of a potential Bucks/FTR match standing as a dramatic throughline splintered off from that conflict. Tag belts have had the most consistent continuity match-to-match and reign-to-reign this year.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 15, 2020 19:54:00 GMT -5
I partially agree with OP. His whole act isn't very likeable for a face. The whole "royal" and "godlike" shit is WAY too reminiscient of Triple H or Jeff Jarrett. Then again, pro wrestling isn't exactly known for modest and humble silent guys. To be the man you have to be flashy, I gue...GODDAMNIT, CLOSE THAT ROBE, RIC! No, it isn’t. That’s why I don’t see Cody’s current act as inherently heelish. There’s been tons of top faces who have been cocky and shamelessly self promoted (Hogan, Rock, etc), and people still liked them. His father was the son of a plumber, yeah, but he was also shown riding in limos and wearing fur coats on a lot of old shows. He was depicted as someone who worked hard and made it. The Daniel Bryan or Ricky Steamboat methods aren’t the de facto babyface template.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 15, 2020 20:22:28 GMT -5
Anyone that claims he's worse than early 00's Triple H needs to be forced to watch early 00's Triple H.
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Post by Viking Hall on Oct 15, 2020 20:32:42 GMT -5
Anyone that claims he's worse than early 00's Triple H needs to be forced to watch early 00's Triple H. Early 2000's Triple H is a large part of why Dynamite is the first wrestling show I've watched weekly in nearly two decades. Once we get Cody and/or Brandi chewing up the first 45 minutes of a show week after week, then and only then will we be approaching that sort of territory.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 20:43:31 GMT -5
Here's how I see the whole Cody thing. He and the company are clearly trying to make him a legit STAR, a special attraction, a marquee name. When you're a challenger company, it's hard to get those. How many times have we complained that there are no stars in wrestling any more? Or that Vince doesn't know how to get anybody over? Does anybody feel 'special' apart from Lesnar and maybe Roman? They're overblowing Cody on purpose, but it's less an ego-driven decision and more a business-driven one. Why not shoot for the f***ing moon and try to make him a modern-day Hogan or Austin, what's the worst that can happen if they fail? Plus, y'know, it's a super-easy conceit to turn heel if they need to, if, say, Hangman Page is getting bigger reactions when crowds can come back en masse. This is spot on and I agree. TNT would be a fool not to put marquee behind a product they feature and even they know Jericho is a fading brand...Cody has a familial legacy and father who casual people would know on name alone...He is extremely marketable and better get these scars and crazy matches out of the way fast before business sense pulls the plug on that
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Post by Peeetah on Oct 15, 2020 21:28:14 GMT -5
Anyone that claims he's worse than early 00's Triple H needs to be forced to watch early 00's Triple H. Brutal but fair.
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