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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 21:35:07 GMT -5
Cody HAS been insufferable lately, but it's pretty obvious storytelling.
Cody's ego can handle it if he loses by cheating (MJF), and he can handle losing by being brutalized (Brodie)... but he's going to meltdown and explode if/when Orange Cassidy outwrestles him and embarrasses him on the mat. I hope that's where it's going .
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 16, 2020 6:15:51 GMT -5
Ok, a couple of ideas:
1. The word "cringe" is officially cringe. Good Lord.
2. I think what gets missed in some cases is that Cody's intentionally lined up to be a guy who you could classify as a babyface, but his more predominant role since the TNT title was introduced is "he's the champ, and you have to beat him". That means that the intrigue of his matches is largely built on wondering who will beat Cody, how they'll do it, and if they'll be able to fend him off for good afterwards, rather than being built on him as a pure good guy or whatever.
In other words, Cody is meant to be malleable as a character while he's champion: he can fight as a fiery underdog against a stronger opponent ala Brodie Lee, or he can work at a methodical, heel-like pace to get over a younger up-and-coming challenger, or whatever else he needs to do (e.g. getting frustrated with Orange this week and thus going hard at him with attacks on the ring post or whatever). This is because whether he's nice or not isn't the point: the point is that he's the champion, and that means that a lot of what you watch his matches for, even if he's nominally a babyface, is to see if this is the week he loses the belt.
It's sort of a version of what NJPW did with Okada's last couple of reigns. Cody might not be all the way up to Okada's adaptability and ability to work main event caliber matches with just about any opponent, but a key to Okada's character for a good while now has been that, honestly, you're welcomed to boo him sometimes when he's champ, because he's not "the good guy who holds the belt", he's "the champion, and thus the biggest obstacle in the company", which means he'll come off as full of himself and sometimes work heel against a more sympathetic challenger. That's the vibe I get from what Cody's doing.
Does it all end in a full-blown heel turn for Cody? They've certainly laid plenty of groundwork for it, if they choose to go that way. But sometimes the point of a champion is to sell tickets/draw viewers with the feeling of "will THIS be the time he finally falls?"
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Post by sfvega on Oct 16, 2020 6:26:55 GMT -5
but he's kinda circumvented that by featuring the TNT title heavily and seemingly booking those feuds to be more important than the AEW title. They're given a lot of time and a lot of care in the writing, which is actually a good thing. A secondary title that is made to be a big deal. But the world title feuds, outside of Cage which I enjoyed, seem to just be like batting practice. Fast set-up, quick pop, and immediately onto the next one. I don't get the feeling that the feuds are 'more important' than the world title at all, both because Moxley is right in the middle of his ongoing feud with Kingston, and because a lot of Cody's defenses have themselves been random weekly challengers stepping up to him. By that token, I'd almost say we'd have to count the tag titles as being bigger for much of the year, due to the long-term development of the Hangman and Omega team having the huge, dramatic matches and interwoven stories with their opponents that they did, with the continuity of a potential Bucks/FTR match standing as a dramatic throughline splintered off from that conflict. Tag belts have had the most consistent continuity match-to-match and reign-to-reign this year. You think the Kingston/Mox feud is bigger than the Brodie/Cody feud? Cody doing the open challenge, which got over quite well with Cena/US title, has more intrigue than just "random weekly matches" implies. It's not like it's Cody going out there with Austin Gunn. The gimmick of wondering which indy guy could show up next is pretty cool (again, cared for) and it's been given a lot of opening/closing segments. Hangman/Omega or Hangman/Elite has been probably the main feud on the roster full stop this year. They happened to have the titles, but even without them it's still a booming plot given a lot of time. The titles were largely secondary to wonder when this all boils over between the two, and now not needed at all. The titles seem less featured, but that could just be because their blow-up was the main thing pushing it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 16, 2020 7:46:42 GMT -5
Anyone that claims he's worse than early 00's Triple H needs to be forced to watch early 00's Triple H. Are we including pre-quad tear Triple H? Because that dude was on fire and wrestled some bangers before the Jericho/Benoit match (which was amazing as well).
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Post by camphor #BLM on Oct 16, 2020 8:04:32 GMT -5
Anyone that claims he's worse than early 00's Triple H needs to be forced to watch early 00's Triple H. Yeah, as someone mentioned a few weeks back: Marilyn Manson only needed a few ribs removed to blow himself, Triple H needed 45 minutes a week on national television for several years
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Post by Dub H on Oct 16, 2020 9:43:06 GMT -5
Ok, a couple of ideas: 1. The word "cringe" is officially cringe. Good Lord. 2. I think what gets missed in some cases is that Cody's intentionally lined up to be a guy who you could classify as a babyface, but his more predominant role since the TNT title was introduced is "he's the champ, and you have to beat him". That means that the intrigue of his matches is largely built on wondering who will beat Cody, how they'll do it, and if they'll be able to fend him off for good afterwards, rather than being built on him as a pure good guy or whatever. In other words, Cody is meant to be malleable as a character while he's champion: he can fight as a fiery underdog against a stronger opponent ala Brodie Lee, or he can work at a methodical, heel-like pace to get over a younger up-and-coming challenger, or whatever else he needs to do (e.g. getting frustrated with Orange this week and thus going hard at him with attacks on the ring post or whatever). This is because whether he's nice or not isn't the point: the point is that he's the champion, and that means that a lot of what you watch his matches for, even if he's nominally a babyface, is to see if this is the week he loses the belt. It's sort of a version of what NJPW did with Okada's last couple of reigns. Cody might not be all the way up to Okada's adaptability and ability to work main event caliber matches with just about any opponent, but a key to Okada's character for a good while now has been that, honestly, you're welcomed to boo him sometimes when he's champ, because he's not "the good guy who holds the belt", he's "the champion, and thus the biggest obstacle in the company", which means he'll come off as full of himself and sometimes work heel against a more sympathetic challenger. That's the vibe I get from what Cody's doing. Does it all end in a full-blown heel turn for Cody? They've certainly laid plenty of groundwork for it, if they choose to go that way. But sometimes the point of a champion is to sell tickets/draw viewers with the feeling of "will THIS be the time he finally falls?" Yeh the magic of Cody Rhodes is that he can go heel or face depending on who he face facing Brodie?He is the underdog that gets beaten down a lot. Facing OC,he is the guy that get pissed when he gets outsmarte and outwrestled? What is the main reason for BOTH working?His Ego and Pride , he is proud of himself and that pride works so he will never give up and back down,but will also make him angry when things dont go his well. Also,Cody vs OC gained 155k viewers this week.Cody is a draw.
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Post by warden on Oct 16, 2020 17:43:10 GMT -5
This is a good time to bring out sign ideas to voice our displeasure:
We've been down this Rhodes before!
All Rhodes lead to nowhere!
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Post by Chiral on Oct 16, 2020 17:55:46 GMT -5
Anyone that claims he's worse than early 00's Triple H needs to be forced to watch early 00's Triple H. Seriously. Did Cody ever cut a 40+ minute promo where he actually had to ask for a chair to sit down on to continue his rambling promo then went on like 15 more minutes saying the same thing he said in his 300 other 40 minute promos? I don't think so.
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Post by Hurbster on Oct 16, 2020 21:31:17 GMT -5
I like his matches (well I like seeing him get the snot kicked out of him) but I do fast forward through his entrance.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 16, 2020 22:49:24 GMT -5
Anyone that claims he's worse than early 00's Triple H needs to be forced to watch early 00's Triple H. Are we including pre-quad tear Triple H? Because that dude was on fire and wrestled some bangers before the Jericho/Benoit match (which was amazing as well). This is likely referring entirely to Reign of Terror-era Triple H.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 17, 2020 1:30:24 GMT -5
Anyone that claims he's worse than early 00's Triple H needs to be forced to watch early 00's Triple H. Seriously. Did Cody ever cut a 40+ minute promo where he actually had to ask for a chair to sit down on to continue his rambling promo then went on like 15 more minutes saying the same thing he said in his 300 other 40 minute promos? I don't think so. Oh lord, the promo where he compared his opponent to a Terminal Patient embroiled in a controversy over whether to keep them on life support or not... (He actually namechecked Terri Schiavo) One of the single worst promos of all time...
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Post by adamclark52 on Oct 17, 2020 22:25:51 GMT -5
Cody does tend to cross the line into “get over yourself” territory quite a bit.
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Post by optikk on Oct 18, 2020 4:06:00 GMT -5
People calling him Triple H seem to forget that he's been booked out of the world title picture. He cannot be the equivalent of Triple H until he wins and holds onto the world title for months on end.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Oct 18, 2020 9:20:46 GMT -5
Anyone that claims he's worse than early 00's Triple H needs to be forced to watch early 00's Triple H. Are we including pre-quad tear Triple H? Because that dude was on fire and wrestled some bangers before the Jericho/Benoit match (which was amazing as well). When early-2000's Haitch gets mentioned, I automatically put it from when he got handed the World Heavyweight Championship moving forward. Triple H had a world-class run from DX until the quad tear.
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Post by Bad Moon on Oct 18, 2020 9:55:47 GMT -5
People calling him Triple H seem to forget that he's been booked out of the world title picture. He cannot be the equivalent of Triple H until he wins and holds onto the world title for months on end. He booked himself out of the world title and immediately went on to literally make up his own vanity belt to replace it.
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Post by r. on Oct 18, 2020 10:33:01 GMT -5
Ok, a couple of ideas: 1. The word "cringe" is officially cringe. Good Lord. 2. I think what gets missed in some cases is that Cody's intentionally lined up to be a guy who you could classify as a babyface, but his more predominant role since the TNT title was introduced is "he's the champ, and you have to beat him". That means that the intrigue of his matches is largely built on wondering who will beat Cody, how they'll do it, and if they'll be able to fend him off for good afterwards, rather than being built on him as a pure good guy or whatever. In other words, Cody is meant to be malleable as a character while he's champion: he can fight as a fiery underdog against a stronger opponent ala Brodie Lee, or he can work at a methodical, heel-like pace to get over a younger up-and-coming challenger, or whatever else he needs to do (e.g. getting frustrated with Orange this week and thus going hard at him with attacks on the ring post or whatever). This is because whether he's nice or not isn't the point: the point is that he's the champion, and that means that a lot of what you watch his matches for, even if he's nominally a babyface, is to see if this is the week he loses the belt. It's sort of a version of what NJPW did with Okada's last couple of reigns. Cody might not be all the way up to Okada's adaptability and ability to work main event caliber matches with just about any opponent, but a key to Okada's character for a good while now has been that, honestly, you're welcomed to boo him sometimes when he's champ, because he's not "the good guy who holds the belt", he's "the champion, and thus the biggest obstacle in the company", which means he'll come off as full of himself and sometimes work heel against a more sympathetic challenger. That's the vibe I get from what Cody's doing. Does it all end in a full-blown heel turn for Cody? They've certainly laid plenty of groundwork for it, if they choose to go that way. But sometimes the point of a champion is to sell tickets/draw viewers with the feeling of "will THIS be the time he finally falls?" Concise, thoughtful, and I agree 100%. You'd be in the blind category according to the op.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 18, 2020 10:36:37 GMT -5
People calling him Triple H seem to forget that he's been booked out of the world title picture. He cannot be the equivalent of Triple H until he wins and holds onto the world title for months on end. He booked himself out of the world title and immediately went on to literally make up his own vanity belt to replace it. Except thats literally a belt made to please the network they are on. People dont know the meaning of vanity belt anymore. You could say FTW is a vanity belt,not the TNT one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 11:06:40 GMT -5
Cody's definitely done only perfect job making his character "larger than life" personality. Also not seem like a loser. I don't think his TNT title reign will be that long. This all has just made the whole championship more memorable. In the age of rematch after rematches, that Dog Collar match was freakin' cool and it's nice seeing that GOAT don't suddenly turn into WOAT! When I was youngling, I did not care Cena taking down all the villains... but Cody's some great HERO shit!
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Post by Viking Hall on Oct 18, 2020 11:37:11 GMT -5
People calling him Triple H seem to forget that he's been booked out of the world title picture. He cannot be the equivalent of Triple H until he wins and holds onto the world title for months on end. He booked himself out of the world title and immediately went on to literally make up his own vanity belt to replace it. He immediately made up his own vanity belt... 6 months later.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 11:40:47 GMT -5
I can't name anyone who's had this exciting midcard belt run in a while. Closest memory I can think of is Pure Champion McGuinness.
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